Gun Control for actual bad guys...how New York used to keep the city safe...

[2aguy]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

 

[Care4all]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

 

[2aguy]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

 

[Care4all]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

But de Blasio never “ended” stop-and-frisk, nor did he “ban” it. He only reined in the New York City Police Department’s use of the tactic, which was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in 2013. In the decade before de Blasio came into office in 2014, police officers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked over 4 million people on the streets of New York — nearly 90 percent of whom were completely innocent of any crime, and nearly 90 percent of whom were black or Latino.

And these stops had a negligible impact — if any impact at all — on the city’s crime rate.

“If only stop-and-frisk was responsible for getting guns off the street,” Jennifer Carnig, director of communications at the New York Civil Liberties Union, said. “During the [Michael] Bloomberg administration, when the practice grew out-of-control, street stops targeted innocent people. During the entire 11-year period for which we have data available, the NYPD stopped innocent people upwards of 4 million times, and the gun-recovery rate was .016 percent.”

Similarly, as the number of police stops ballooned by 600 percent under Mayor Bloomberg — peaking in 2011 at nearly 700,000 stops — the number of shootings and murders stayed relatively flat. And from 2011 to 2013, when the number of police stops dropped a precipitous 75 percent, the number of shootings and murders also dropped, by 29 percent. The city’s murder rate, meanwhile, fell to a historic low in 2013.

“It’s sad that people don’t want to take time to think through this stuff,” city council member Jumaane Williams said. Williams was on the forefront of the campaign to reform the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk.

“Stops can’t be gauged on how many you should do,” he said. “Stops have to be gauged on what’s witnessed by officers. There’s no magic number and if you chase a number, you run into the same problems you had before. Good police work is: You have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and if it rises to probable cause, then you can frisk.”

“You can’t stop everyone in the neighborhood, and that’s what the problem was,” Williams added.

Relax, Stop-And-Frisk Reforms Aren't Making New York City Dangerous Again

 

[2aguy]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

But de Blasio never “ended” stop-and-frisk, nor did he “ban” it. He only reined in the New York City Police Department’s use of the tactic, which was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in 2013. In the decade before de Blasio came into office in 2014, police officers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked over 4 million people on the streets of New York — nearly 90 percent of whom were completely innocent of any crime, and nearly 90 percent of whom were black or Latino.

And these stops had a negligible impact — if any impact at all — on the city’s crime rate.

“If only stop-and-frisk was responsible for getting guns off the street,” Jennifer Carnig, director of communications at the New York Civil Liberties Union, said. “During the [Michael] Bloomberg administration, when the practice grew out-of-control, street stops targeted innocent people. During the entire 11-year period for which we have data available, the NYPD stopped innocent people upwards of 4 million times, and the gun-recovery rate was .016 percent.”

Similarly, as the number of police stops ballooned by 600 percent under Mayor Bloomberg — peaking in 2011 at nearly 700,000 stops — the number of shootings and murders stayed relatively flat. And from 2011 to 2013, when the number of police stops dropped a precipitous 75 percent, the number of shootings and murders also dropped, by 29 percent. The city’s murder rate, meanwhile, fell to a historic low in 2013.

“It’s sad that people don’t want to take time to think through this stuff,” city council member Jumaane Williams said. Williams was on the forefront of the campaign to reform the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk.

“Stops can’t be gauged on how many you should do,” he said. “Stops have to be gauged on what’s witnessed by officers. There’s no magic number and if you chase a number, you run into the same problems you had before. Good police work is: You have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and if it rises to probable cause, then you can frisk.”

“You can’t stop everyone in the neighborhood, and that’s what the problem was,” Williams added.

Relax, Stop-And-Frisk Reforms Aren't Making New York City Dangerous Again

Yeah...you are, of course, wrong........criminals have realized your socialist mayor doesn't support the police.....how do we know.....

Crime down, but murders by gun on the rise | New York Post

Homicides by gun have soared by 25 percent so far this year compared with last, a frightening reminder of how shootings continue to plague the Big Apple since the NYPD abandoned stop-and-frisk, sources said Monday.

“We have a 25 percent increase in homicides that occur by gunfire. That’s a significant increase,” NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Operations Dermot Shea said. “We continue to see gun violence. That’s the No. 1 concern.”

 

[2aguy]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

But de Blasio never “ended” stop-and-frisk, nor did he “ban” it. He only reined in the New York City Police Department’s use of the tactic, which was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in 2013. In the decade before de Blasio came into office in 2014, police officers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked over 4 million people on the streets of New York — nearly 90 percent of whom were completely innocent of any crime, and nearly 90 percent of whom were black or Latino.

And these stops had a negligible impact — if any impact at all — on the city’s crime rate.

“If only stop-and-frisk was responsible for getting guns off the street,” Jennifer Carnig, director of communications at the New York Civil Liberties Union, said. “During the [Michael] Bloomberg administration, when the practice grew out-of-control, street stops targeted innocent people. During the entire 11-year period for which we have data available, the NYPD stopped innocent people upwards of 4 million times, and the gun-recovery rate was .016 percent.”

Similarly, as the number of police stops ballooned by 600 percent under Mayor Bloomberg — peaking in 2011 at nearly 700,000 stops — the number of shootings and murders stayed relatively flat. And from 2011 to 2013, when the number of police stops dropped a precipitous 75 percent, the number of shootings and murders also dropped, by 29 percent. The city’s murder rate, meanwhile, fell to a historic low in 2013.

“It’s sad that people don’t want to take time to think through this stuff,” city council member Jumaane Williams said. Williams was on the forefront of the campaign to reform the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk.

“Stops can’t be gauged on how many you should do,” he said. “Stops have to be gauged on what’s witnessed by officers. There’s no magic number and if you chase a number, you run into the same problems you had before. Good police work is: You have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and if it rises to probable cause, then you can frisk.”

“You can’t stop everyone in the neighborhood, and that’s what the problem was,” Williams added.

Relax, Stop-And-Frisk Reforms Aren't Making New York City Dangerous Again

And another article on their rising gun crime rate...

NYPD reveals increase in homicides and gun violence in NYC

e NYPD is in an all-out battle with illegal guns — and all of us are losing.

More people are getting shot. More people are being killed. And fewer people are being stopped and frisked.

“We’re struggling with homicides and shootings,” NYPD Chief of Department James O’Neill said Monday. “As we expect when warm weather comes, we see an increase in certain crimes.”

O’Neill laid out the grim numbers during a press conference at 1 Police Plaza, revealing a 19.5% spike in homicides during the first five months of the year. There were 135 murders through Sunday compared to 113 at the same time last year.

 

[Care4all]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

But de Blasio never “ended” stop-and-frisk, nor did he “ban” it. He only reined in the New York City Police Department’s use of the tactic, which was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in 2013. In the decade before de Blasio came into office in 2014, police officers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked over 4 million people on the streets of New York — nearly 90 percent of whom were completely innocent of any crime, and nearly 90 percent of whom were black or Latino.

And these stops had a negligible impact — if any impact at all — on the city’s crime rate.

“If only stop-and-frisk was responsible for getting guns off the street,” Jennifer Carnig, director of communications at the New York Civil Liberties Union, said. “During the [Michael] Bloomberg administration, when the practice grew out-of-control, street stops targeted innocent people. During the entire 11-year period for which we have data available, the NYPD stopped innocent people upwards of 4 million times, and the gun-recovery rate was .016 percent.”

Similarly, as the number of police stops ballooned by 600 percent under Mayor Bloomberg — peaking in 2011 at nearly 700,000 stops — the number of shootings and murders stayed relatively flat. And from 2011 to 2013, when the number of police stops dropped a precipitous 75 percent, the number of shootings and murders also dropped, by 29 percent. The city’s murder rate, meanwhile, fell to a historic low in 2013.

“It’s sad that people don’t want to take time to think through this stuff,” city council member Jumaane Williams said. Williams was on the forefront of the campaign to reform the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk.

“Stops can’t be gauged on how many you should do,” he said. “Stops have to be gauged on what’s witnessed by officers. There’s no magic number and if you chase a number, you run into the same problems you had before. Good police work is: You have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and if it rises to probable cause, then you can frisk.”

“You can’t stop everyone in the neighborhood, and that’s what the problem was,” Williams added.

Relax, Stop-And-Frisk Reforms Aren't Making New York City Dangerous Again

And another article on their rising gun crime rate...

NYPD reveals increase in homicides and gun violence in NYC

e NYPD is in an all-out battle with illegal guns — and all of us are losing.

More people are getting shot. More people are being killed. And fewer people are being stopped and frisked.

“We’re struggling with homicides and shootings,” NYPD Chief of Department James O’Neill said Monday. “As we expect when warm weather comes, we see an increase in certain crimes.”

O’Neill laid out the grim numbers during a press conference at 1 Police Plaza, revealing a 19.5% spike in homicides during the first five months of the year. There were 135 murders through Sunday compared to 113 at the same time last year.

so you are taking one year and calling it a trend?

It's your beloved cops in blue that have decided not to pursue violent crime...there is article after article on it and all kinds of shenanigans by the cops in protest of the mayor... I blame the rise in murder on THEM more than him for their actions.

YOU OBVIOUSLY did not READ the article I posted...nor gone in to the links in the article...

stop and frisk, the way NYPD was doing it since Bloomberg, WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ruled so by a federal judge, not by DiBlasio....

4 million innocent citizens were stopped and frisked by the men in blue....do you not care about that?

 

[2aguy]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

But de Blasio never “ended” stop-and-frisk, nor did he “ban” it. He only reined in the New York City Police Department’s use of the tactic, which was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in 2013. In the decade before de Blasio came into office in 2014, police officers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked over 4 million people on the streets of New York — nearly 90 percent of whom were completely innocent of any crime, and nearly 90 percent of whom were black or Latino.

And these stops had a negligible impact — if any impact at all — on the city’s crime rate.

“If only stop-and-frisk was responsible for getting guns off the street,” Jennifer Carnig, director of communications at the New York Civil Liberties Union, said. “During the [Michael] Bloomberg administration, when the practice grew out-of-control, street stops targeted innocent people. During the entire 11-year period for which we have data available, the NYPD stopped innocent people upwards of 4 million times, and the gun-recovery rate was .016 percent.”

Similarly, as the number of police stops ballooned by 600 percent under Mayor Bloomberg — peaking in 2011 at nearly 700,000 stops — the number of shootings and murders stayed relatively flat. And from 2011 to 2013, when the number of police stops dropped a precipitous 75 percent, the number of shootings and murders also dropped, by 29 percent. The city’s murder rate, meanwhile, fell to a historic low in 2013.

“It’s sad that people don’t want to take time to think through this stuff,” city council member Jumaane Williams said. Williams was on the forefront of the campaign to reform the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk.

“Stops can’t be gauged on how many you should do,” he said. “Stops have to be gauged on what’s witnessed by officers. There’s no magic number and if you chase a number, you run into the same problems you had before. Good police work is: You have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and if it rises to probable cause, then you can frisk.”

“You can’t stop everyone in the neighborhood, and that’s what the problem was,” Williams added.

Relax, Stop-And-Frisk Reforms Aren't Making New York City Dangerous Again

And another article on their rising gun crime rate...

NYPD reveals increase in homicides and gun violence in NYC

e NYPD is in an all-out battle with illegal guns — and all of us are losing.

More people are getting shot. More people are being killed. And fewer people are being stopped and frisked.

“We’re struggling with homicides and shootings,” NYPD Chief of Department James O’Neill said Monday. “As we expect when warm weather comes, we see an increase in certain crimes.”

O’Neill laid out the grim numbers during a press conference at 1 Police Plaza, revealing a 19.5% spike in homicides during the first five months of the year. There were 135 murders through Sunday compared to 113 at the same time last year.

so you are taking one year and calling it a trend?

It's your beloved cops in blue that have decided not to pursue violent crime...there is article after article on it and all kinds of shenanigans by the cops in protest of the mayor... I blame the rise in murder on THEM more than him for their actions.

YOU OBVIOUSLY did not READ the article I posted...nor gone in to the links in the article...

stop and frisk, the way NYPD was doing it since Bloomberg, WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ruled so by a federal judge, not by DiBlasio....

4 million innocent citizens were stopped and frisked by the men in blue....do you not care about that?

And thousands of black and hispanic citizen's lives were saved because gun carrying thugs were caught before they shot people....isn't that what you want stopped...that is what you say you want......right? Actual criminals disarmed and arrested......? Or is it just normal gun owners you want arrested when they make clerical errors and fail to file papwerwork?

 

[mudwhistle]

Why did New York used to have a lower gun murder rate than Chicago.....

Guns, Democrats and Terror

Mr. Kelly began his second stint as New York’s top cop on Jan. 1, 2002, when the city was still clearing debris from the Twin Towers. His charge looked impossible: Prevent another terror attack, and maintain the progress against gun violence begun under MayorRudolph Giuliani.

Over the next 12 years the finest police force in America did just that. In so doing, Mr. Kelly pulled off what President Obama and Hillary Clinton now claim are their post-Orlando priorities—a full-fledged assault on gun violence, and “smarter” policies to identify terrorists before they strike.

Here’s the rub. The secret to New York’s success wasn’t just Mr. Kelly. It was also MayorMichael Bloomberg. Mr. Bloomberg was a liberal rarity, a pol who would not throw his cops under the bus when successful policies produced politically inconvenient results.

Start with guns. Under Mr. Kelly, police expanded a tactic known as stop-and-frisk. Here’s a better way to think about it: gun control for bad guys.

Cops would be proactive. When they spotted someone behaving suspiciously, he would be stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked. Often police found an illegal weapon.

The gun control was not limited to the thousands of guns taken off the streets this way. Because the bad guys knew they might be frisked, they started leaving their guns at home. New York became America’s safest big city.

How was this success greeted? The cops found themselves denounced as racists, because the stops of black men were disproportionate to their percentage of the general population (but not disproportionate to suspect descriptions). The activists sued; an anti-cop federal judge egged them on; and Bill de Blasio made “racial profiling” by police a key campaign point in his successful run for mayor in 2013.

Never mind that as a result of the NYPD’s approach, thousands of young black and Hispanic lives were saved.

Alas, it’s the same sad story for the cause of better intelligence. Under Mr. Kelly, police set up a demographics unit. The Associated Press would win a Pulitzer for a sensationalist series of stories falsely implying it was about blanket spying on Muslims. In fact, the unit was about getting smart—learning where, for example, terrorists such as the Tsarnaev brothers might look for shelter had they made it to New York (as they’d planned) after bombing the Boston marathon.

Or what about the 2007 NYPD report called “Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat”? Here’s a sentence from the first paragraph of the executive summary: “Rather than being directed from al-Qaeda abroad, these plots have been conceptualized and planned by ‘unremarkable’ local residents/citizens who sought to attack their country of residence, utilizing al-Qaeda as their inspiration and ideological reference point.”

New York city in 2014 had a much much much lower murder rate than Chicago....so why are you implying that NYC's murder rate is higher than Chicago's?


In 2014 Chicago had a murder rate of 15.09, New York had a rate of 3.93

FBI's Violent Crime Statistics For Every City In America

they stopped stop and frisk...so it is now going up.

But de Blasio never “ended” stop-and-frisk, nor did he “ban” it. He only reined in the New York City Police Department’s use of the tactic, which was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge in 2013. In the decade before de Blasio came into office in 2014, police officers stopped, questioned and sometimes frisked over 4 million people on the streets of New York — nearly 90 percent of whom were completely innocent of any crime, and nearly 90 percent of whom were black or Latino.

And these stops had a negligible impact — if any impact at all — on the city’s crime rate.

“If only stop-and-frisk was responsible for getting guns off the street,” Jennifer Carnig, director of communications at the New York Civil Liberties Union, said. “During the [Michael] Bloomberg administration, when the practice grew out-of-control, street stops targeted innocent people. During the entire 11-year period for which we have data available, the NYPD stopped innocent people upwards of 4 million times, and the gun-recovery rate was .016 percent.”

Similarly, as the number of police stops ballooned by 600 percent under Mayor Bloomberg — peaking in 2011 at nearly 700,000 stops — the number of shootings and murders stayed relatively flat. And from 2011 to 2013, when the number of police stops dropped a precipitous 75 percent, the number of shootings and murders also dropped, by 29 percent. The city’s murder rate, meanwhile, fell to a historic low in 2013.

“It’s sad that people don’t want to take time to think through this stuff,” city council member Jumaane Williams said. Williams was on the forefront of the campaign to reform the NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk.

“Stops can’t be gauged on how many you should do,” he said. “Stops have to be gauged on what’s witnessed by officers. There’s no magic number and if you chase a number, you run into the same problems you had before. Good police work is: You have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and if it rises to probable cause, then you can frisk.”

“You can’t stop everyone in the neighborhood, and that’s what the problem was,” Williams added.

Relax, Stop-And-Frisk Reforms Aren't Making New York City Dangerous Again

And another article on their rising gun crime rate...

NYPD reveals increase in homicides and gun violence in NYC

e NYPD is in an all-out battle with illegal guns — and all of us are losing.

More people are getting shot. More people are being killed. And fewer people are being stopped and frisked.

“We’re struggling with homicides and shootings,” NYPD Chief of Department James O’Neill said Monday. “As we expect when warm weather comes, we see an increase in certain crimes.”

O’Neill laid out the grim numbers during a press conference at 1 Police Plaza, revealing a 19.5% spike in homicides during the first five months of the year. There were 135 murders through Sunday compared to 113 at the same time last year.

so you are taking one year and calling it a trend?

It's your beloved cops in blue that have decided not to pursue violent crime...there is article after article on it and all kinds of shenanigans by the cops in protest of the mayor... I blame the rise in murder on THEM more than him for their actions.

YOU OBVIOUSLY did not READ the article I posted...nor gone in to the links in the article...

stop and frisk, the way NYPD was doing it since Bloomberg, WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL and ruled so by a federal judge, not by DiBlasio....

4 million innocent citizens were stopped and frisked by the men in blue....do you not care about that?

No. Better to be safe than sorry,....or don't you think the reward is worth the risk?