Good thing Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment and banned guns.....these criminals would be getting shot all over the place.

[Vagabond63]

Of course you ignored this....

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/LawyersGunsBurglars.htm#FN;F64

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/LawyersGunsBurglars.htm#FN;F64

No choice as the links don't work.

 

[2aguy]

No choice as the links don't work.

Here.....this should work....

Lawyers, Guns & Burglars

This Article looks in detail at a very large positive externality which is overlooked in by firearms prohibitionists: the major role that widespread gun ownersh

papers.ssrn.com

 

[Vagabond63]

Here.....this should work....

Lawyers, Guns & Burglars

This Article looks in detail at a very large positive externality which is overlooked in by firearms prohibitionists: the major role that widespread gun ownersh

papers.ssrn.com

This article cites information that is almost 40 years old. Times have changed since the 1980's-90's. Yes burglaries do occur today when people are at home, mainly because householders turn off their security systems when they are at home or leave their doors unlocked.

 

[2aguy]

This article cites information that is almost 40 years old. Times have changed since the 1980's-90's. Yes burglaries do occur today when people are at home, mainly because householders turn off their security systems when they are at home or leave their doors unlocked.

So you think burglaries are happening less than they were 40 years ago...then admit that criminals can and do confront people in Britain because they turn off their passive security when they are home.........got it.

 

[Vagabond63]

So you think burglaries are happening less than they were 40 years ago...then admit that criminals can and do confront people in Britain because they turn off their passive security when they are home.........got it.

In the UK, yes. There has been a downward trend as more and more householders install security cameras, and more secure doors/windows. No guns required. The people who suffer burglaries are, in the main, those who remain blissfully unaware of the possibility, because they live in "nice areas" or in mansions and have the mentality "it will never happen to me here".

In 2021/22 there were 266,283 burglaries in England and Wales, a slight decline on the previous year. Since 2002/03 (890,099) there has been a clear trend of falling burglary offences, with the most recent year having the fewest burglaries in this time period. Burglary offences in England and Wales 2022 | Statista

 

[Hollie]

In the UK, yes. There has been a downward trend as more and more householders install security cameras, and more secure doors/windows. No guns required. The people who suffer burglaries are, in the main, those who remain blissfully unaware of the possibility, because they live in "nice areas" or in mansions and have the mentality "it will never happen to me here".

In 2021/22 there were 266,283 burglaries in England and Wales, a slight decline on the previous year. Since 2002/03 (890,099) there has been a clear trend of falling burglary offences, with the most recent year having the fewest burglaries in this time period. Burglary offences in England and Wales 2022 | Statista

On the other hand, while you're barricading yourself into your mini-fortresses, the criminals are waiting outside your door.

Robbery offences England and Wales 2023 | Statista

In 2022/23 there were approximately 75,265 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 66,328 in the previous year.

www.statista.com

In 2021/22 there were approximately 66,288 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 59,659 in the previous year. During the provided time period, the reporting year with the highest number of robberies was 2002/03, when there were 110,271



Odd, that.


2021/22 the number of crime offences recorded by the police in England and Wales rose to approximately 6.3 million, compared with 5.43 million in the previous reporting year. This was the highest number of crimes recorded in the provided time period, with the low number of crimes reported in 2020/21 likely due to the Coronavirus restrictions in place throughout that reporting year. With the exception of 2020/21, the number of crime offences in England and Wales has been rising at a fairly rapid pace, increasing from just over 4 million in 2013/14, to the high seen in the most recent year.




Perhaps it's best you just never leave your homemade fortress.

 

[Vagabond63]

On the other hand, while you're barricading yourself into your mini-fortresses, the criminals are waiting outside your door.

Robbery offences England and Wales 2023 | Statista

In 2022/23 there were approximately 75,265 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 66,328 in the previous year.

www.statista.com

In 2021/22 there were approximately 66,288 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 59,659 in the previous year. During the provided time period, the reporting year with the highest number of robberies was 2002/03, when there were 110,271



Odd, that.


2021/22 the number of crime offences recorded by the police in England and Wales rose to approximately 6.3 million, compared with 5.43 million in the previous reporting year. This was the highest number of crimes recorded in the provided time period, with the low number of crimes reported in 2020/21 likely due to the Coronavirus restrictions in place throughout that reporting year. With the exception of 2020/21, the number of crime offences in England and Wales has been rising at a fairly rapid pace, increasing from just over 4 million in 2013/14, to the high seen in the most recent year.




Perhaps it's best you just never leave your homemade fortress.

Yes robberies have also declined, thanks for noticing. As for "crimes" you do know that includes fraud. Guns are a bit useless when dealing with computer fraud, etc.

 

[Hollie]

Yes robberies have also declined, thanks for noticing. As for "crimes" you do know that includes fraud. Guns are a bit useless when dealing with computer fraud, etc.

Yes, robberies declined thanks to the China virus lock downs. Thanks for side stepping.

As for crimes, do you know that includes robberies... identified in the link. Scolding a criminal with a strongly worded email is probably not going to do much to prevent robberies.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yes, robberies declined thanks to the China virus lock downs. Thanks for side stepping.

Well, we were talking about burglaries until you "side stepped" to robberies, and they too were in decline as your source shows before the Covid pandemic. They have spiked since, but the trend is still downwards.

 

[Hollie]

Well, we were talking about burglaries until you "side stepped" to robberies, and they too were in decline as your source shows before the Covid pandemic. They have spiked since, but the trend is still downwards.

An increase in crime doesn't suggest a downward trend.
From my earlier link: ''In 2021/22 there were approximately 66,288 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 59,659 in the previous year.''

You noted earlier that, ''Most new builds in the UK come with composite doors and multi-point locking systems; basically impervious to police battering rams, drills, even gunfire in some cases.''

The above suggests that people are taking measures that amount to building mini-fortresses to protect themselves from a crime rate you claim is decreasing. What do you suggest homeowners do when the criminals begin using battering rams, drills and gunfire to enter their homes? Pelt the criminals with crumpets?

 

[2aguy]

An increase in crime doesn't suggest a downward trend.
From my earlier link: ''In 2021/22 there were approximately 66,288 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 59,659 in the previous year.''

You noted earlier that, ''Most new builds in the UK come with composite doors and multi-point locking systems; basically impervious to police battering rams, drills, even gunfire in some cases.''

The above suggests that people are taking measures that amount to building mini-fortresses to protect themselves from a crime rate you claim is decreasing. What do you suggest homeowners do when the criminals begin using battering rams, drills and gunfire to enter their homes? Pelt the criminals with crumpets?

Or simply wait outside for them to go to work or get home at night.....which is what will likely increase, increasing the chance of torture, and rape...

 

[Vagabond63]

An increase in crime doesn't suggest a downward trend.
From my earlier link: ''In 2021/22 there were approximately 66,288 robbery offences reported by the police in England and Wales, compared with 59,659 in the previous year.''

You noted earlier that, ''Most new builds in the UK come with composite doors and multi-point locking systems; basically impervious to police battering rams, drills, even gunfire in some cases.''

The above suggests that people are taking measures that amount to building mini-fortresses to protect themselves from a crime rate you claim is decreasing. What do you suggest homeowners do when the criminals begin using battering rams, drills and gunfire to enter their homes? Pelt the criminals with crumpets?

It does when you look at the historical trend, not just cherry pick two years.

No, people are not building "mini fortresses", local governments, police and insurance companies have put pressure on developers to include modern security features in new houses that they build. Developers use these as selling points to new buyers, so it's a win-win scenario.

Given ''Most new builds in the UK come with composite doors and multi-point locking systems; basically impervious to police battering rams, drills, even gunfire in some cases.'' If criminals turn up with battering rams, drills and gunfire, the householder just has to call the local police and get out the popcorn while they wait for the drama to unfold, so they and their neighbours can watch it all on their security cameras. It's all part of living in a civilised society, clearly sadly lacking in America.

 

[2aguy]

It does when you look at the historical trend, not just cherry pick two years.

No, people are not building "mini fortresses", local governments, police and insurance companies have put pressure on developers to include modern security features in new houses that they build. Developers use these as selling points to new buyers, so it's a win-win scenario.

Given ''Most new builds in the UK come with composite doors and multi-point locking systems; basically impervious to police battering rams, drills, even gunfire in some cases.'' If criminals turn up with battering rams, drills and gunfire, the householder just has to call the local police and get out the popcorn while they wait for the drama to unfold, so they and their neighbours can watch it all on their security cameras. It's all part of living in a civilised society, clearly sadly lacking in America.

Yeah.......I guess all burglaries have ended in Britain.........right?

You are so naive and silly.........passive security is all you think is necessary?

And you didn't address the women who actually used guns to defeat 3 attackers who also had guns....

 

[Vagabond63]

Or simply wait outside for them to go to work or get home at night.....which is what will likely increase, increasing the chance of torture, and rape...

Oh, yes, of course your favourite wet dream scenario. Sorry to disillusion you, but many communities in the UK have a "Neighbourhood Watch" who use security cameras and even their Mk1 eyeballs to spot and report any suspicious behaviours like armed thugs hiding in bushes waiting for John at number 24 to come home, to the police...
Again, one of the benefits of living in a civilised society.

 

[2aguy]

Oh, yes, of course your favourite wet dream scenario. Sorry to disillusion you, but many communities in the UK have a "Neighbourhood Watch" who use security cameras and even their Mk1 eyeballs to spot and report any suspicious behaviours like armed thugs hiding in bushes waiting for John at number 24 to come home, to the police...
Again, one of the benefits of living in a civilised society.

LOL......you really are delusional.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yeah.......I guess all burglaries have ended in Britain.........right?

You are so naive and silly.........passive security is all you think is necessary?

And you didn't address the women who actually used guns to defeat 3 attackers who also had guns....

Oh dear, you post ancient videos to make a non point. Nothing to address that I haven't before.

 

[Vagabond63]

LOL......you really are delusional.

Projecting again, time for your meds, methinks.

 

[2aguy]

Oh dear, you post ancient videos to make a non point. Nothing to address that I haven't before.

You ask what do you do if the attackers have a gun? I answer with actual video of a two women, with their own guns, driving off the armed, multiple criminals........and you post that drivel......

You are a silly human being.

 

[Vagabond63]

You are a silly human being.

Projecting again, it really is time for your meds.

 

[Hollie]

It does when you look at the historical trend, not just cherry pick two years.

No, people are not building "mini fortresses", local governments, police and insurance companies have put pressure on developers to include modern security features in new houses that they build. Developers use these as selling points to new buyers, so it's a win-win scenario.

Given ''Most new builds in the UK come with composite doors and multi-point locking systems; basically impervious to police battering rams, drills, even gunfire in some cases.'' If criminals turn up with battering rams, drills and gunfire, the householder just has to call the local police and get out the popcorn while they wait for the drama to unfold, so they and their neighbours can watch it all on their security cameras. It's all part of living in a civilised society, clearly sadly lacking in America.

Oh, dear. Being lectured about a ''civilized society''.

United Kingdom Crime Facts & Stats

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UK - Total crimes per 1000 population 109.96

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Great Satan - Total crimes per thousand 41.92



Gee whiz. You civilized folks are well more than twice as, you know, uncivilized as us here in the Great Satan.