God Is The Original Mathematician

[JAG]

"The world changed, then. Literally. A world in which fanged creatures eat
grass and all creatures roam the earth forever is in no way a world in which
fanged creatures eat other creatures and flesh decays. Deny it all you want,
but a belief that man and his environment were recreated is a belief that
the Bible does not teach and that really does nothing more than caricature it.

Biological death is not a death that concerned the ancient Israelites. The
arrest of all biological functions is not an idea upon which they built their
faith or their narrative.

If it is - if that is what Jesus came to restore, or redeem - then he failed."
____Norwegen

I have no idea what you're are trying to establish as true.
You seem to strongly overwork the word "recreated"
and from all I can tell you are building your view on
and around the word "recreated" -- the Bible does
not say the world was "recreated" and I have no idea
what you are trying to establish as true.

The Bible is crystal clear that , , ,
{1} God made man and the earth sin free.
{2} There was no sin before The Fall
{3} Adam and Eve chose to sin.
{4} The results of their sin was pain, disease, and death
{4} God and His Christ, will at some future point, "restore Eden"
and man and the Earth will again be sin free and all pain,
suffering, disease, and death will be eliminated.

JAG

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Exactly. The Bible does not say that the world was recreated. It does not say that man was created to be immortal, and then created again to be mortal. Flesh did not undergo such drastic physiological alterations.

In fact, the Israelites taught the opposite, that flesh comes from dust and returns to dust. Their desire was never to live forever with nature, but to live forever with God. Death in their minds was condemnation; belief led to life.

“It is the Spirit who gives life,” Jesus said. “The flesh is no help at all.” (Jn 6:63)

When Ephraim (Israel, or the ten Northern tribes) worshipped Baal, he died. Death came to Israel through idolatry. This dead people did not repent but instead sinned more and more (Hos 13:1-2), which they did as living, breathing organisms. When Ephraim died, he did not die in the flesh.

Likewise with the Pharisees, who, like whitewashed tombs, knowing not the Father, were the walking dead, full of dead men’s bones (Mt 23:27). Strangers to God, they were dead.

The day Adam ate the serpent's fruit and died, he did not keel over and orphan his children. He was exiled from God's presence.

You're right: the Bible does not say that the world was recreated; it does not say that man was created again to be something different. So, why you would insist that man is a different creature now than he was in the Garden is a mystery.

"You're right: the Bible does not say that the world was
recreated; it does not say that man was created again
to be something different. So, why you would insist
that man is a different creature now than he
was in the Garden is a mystery"___Norwegen

My friend I have zero clues where you are going with this
or what you are trying to accomplish here with this line of
thought. Your words "recreated" and your phrase "different
creature" has got some idea lurking behind them and I
have no idea what the idea is that's lurking behind them.

It is impossible to read Genesis chapters 1, 2, and 3 and
not conclude that Adam and Eve were "different creatures"
after The Fall that introduced the Sin Principle and all its
consequences and ramifications for example Death.

There would have been no Death had there not been
The Fall into sin. THAT alone is enough to establish
both Adam & Eve as being "different creatures."

All you have to do is merely surface read Genesis
chapters 1, 2, and 3 to see clear solid Biblical evidence
that The Sin Principle changed Adam & Eve into
"different creatures."

What do you want to accomplish here?

Best Regards.

JAG

``

Adam and Eve were not immortal creatures in the Garden of Eden. Not only is that idea nonsensical, but it's contrary to the Scriptures.

"Adam and Eve were not immortal creatures in the Garden of Eden. Not only is
that idea nonsensical, but it's contrary to the Scriptures."___Norwegen

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take
care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."___Genesis 2:15-17

On your interpretation of Genesis 2:17 it would read like this:

~ ~ You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat
from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from
it you will certainly die -- but of course you are going to die anyway
whether you eat from the tree or not ~ ~

My view is that interpretation is nonsensical.
However I am willing to listen to you what you have to say and I will consider
it. Give me some solid proof that Adam & Eve would have died whether they
obeyed or disobeyed God.

Best.

JAG


``

"For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Adam did not keel over and orphan his children on the day he ate the serpent's fruit. He did not die physically that day; he died in spirit. God exiled him from His presence that day.

I articulated this fairly clearly, I thought. I'm not sure why you're not getting it.

"For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Adam did not keel over
and orphan his children on the day he ate the serpent's fruit. He did not die
physically that day; he died in spirit. God exiled him from His presence that
day.

I articulated this fairly clearly, I thought. I'm not sure why you're not getting
it."___Norwegen



Norwegen,

My view is you are attempting to force an incorrect interpretation on Genesis 2:15-17
which does not say or even imply that the death had to be immediate. Your phrase
"on the day" is not required by the text of Genesis ~ ~ God nowhere said or implied
that the up-coming death had to be "on the day" Adam sinned. It is clear from the
natural unfolding of events in Genesis that God did NOT intend for the death to
occur "on the same day" Adam sinned but rather God's intention was for Adam
and Eve to live out their days and then die ~ ~ which is exactly what happened.

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take
care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."___Genesis 2:15-17

Best Regards.

JAG

``

 

[norwegen]

"The world changed, then. Literally. A world in which fanged creatures eat
grass and all creatures roam the earth forever is in no way a world in which
fanged creatures eat other creatures and flesh decays. Deny it all you want,
but a belief that man and his environment were recreated is a belief that
the Bible does not teach and that really does nothing more than caricature it.

Biological death is not a death that concerned the ancient Israelites. The
arrest of all biological functions is not an idea upon which they built their
faith or their narrative.

If it is - if that is what Jesus came to restore, or redeem - then he failed."
____Norwegen

I have no idea what you're are trying to establish as true.
You seem to strongly overwork the word "recreated"
and from all I can tell you are building your view on
and around the word "recreated" -- the Bible does
not say the world was "recreated" and I have no idea
what you are trying to establish as true.

The Bible is crystal clear that , , ,
{1} God made man and the earth sin free.
{2} There was no sin before The Fall
{3} Adam and Eve chose to sin.
{4} The results of their sin was pain, disease, and death
{4} God and His Christ, will at some future point, "restore Eden"
and man and the Earth will again be sin free and all pain,
suffering, disease, and death will be eliminated.

JAG

``

Exactly. The Bible does not say that the world was recreated. It does not say that man was created to be immortal, and then created again to be mortal. Flesh did not undergo such drastic physiological alterations.

In fact, the Israelites taught the opposite, that flesh comes from dust and returns to dust. Their desire was never to live forever with nature, but to live forever with God. Death in their minds was condemnation; belief led to life.

“It is the Spirit who gives life,” Jesus said. “The flesh is no help at all.” (Jn 6:63)

When Ephraim (Israel, or the ten Northern tribes) worshipped Baal, he died. Death came to Israel through idolatry. This dead people did not repent but instead sinned more and more (Hos 13:1-2), which they did as living, breathing organisms. When Ephraim died, he did not die in the flesh.

Likewise with the Pharisees, who, like whitewashed tombs, knowing not the Father, were the walking dead, full of dead men’s bones (Mt 23:27). Strangers to God, they were dead.

The day Adam ate the serpent's fruit and died, he did not keel over and orphan his children. He was exiled from God's presence.

You're right: the Bible does not say that the world was recreated; it does not say that man was created again to be something different. So, why you would insist that man is a different creature now than he was in the Garden is a mystery.

"You're right: the Bible does not say that the world was
recreated; it does not say that man was created again
to be something different. So, why you would insist
that man is a different creature now than he
was in the Garden is a mystery"___Norwegen

My friend I have zero clues where you are going with this
or what you are trying to accomplish here with this line of
thought. Your words "recreated" and your phrase "different
creature" has got some idea lurking behind them and I
have no idea what the idea is that's lurking behind them.

It is impossible to read Genesis chapters 1, 2, and 3 and
not conclude that Adam and Eve were "different creatures"
after The Fall that introduced the Sin Principle and all its
consequences and ramifications for example Death.

There would have been no Death had there not been
The Fall into sin. THAT alone is enough to establish
both Adam & Eve as being "different creatures."

All you have to do is merely surface read Genesis
chapters 1, 2, and 3 to see clear solid Biblical evidence
that The Sin Principle changed Adam & Eve into
"different creatures."

What do you want to accomplish here?

Best Regards.

JAG

``

Adam and Eve were not immortal creatures in the Garden of Eden. Not only is that idea nonsensical, but it's contrary to the Scriptures.

"Adam and Eve were not immortal creatures in the Garden of Eden. Not only is
that idea nonsensical, but it's contrary to the Scriptures."___Norwegen

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take
care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."___Genesis 2:15-17

On your interpretation of Genesis 2:17 it would read like this:

~ ~ You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat
from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from
it you will certainly die -- but of course you are going to die anyway
whether you eat from the tree or not ~ ~

My view is that interpretation is nonsensical.
However I am willing to listen to you what you have to say and I will consider
it. Give me some solid proof that Adam & Eve would have died whether they
obeyed or disobeyed God.

Best.

JAG


``

"For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Adam did not keel over and orphan his children on the day he ate the serpent's fruit. He did not die physically that day; he died in spirit. God exiled him from His presence that day.

I articulated this fairly clearly, I thought. I'm not sure why you're not getting it.

"For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Adam did not keel over
and orphan his children on the day he ate the serpent's fruit. He did not die
physically that day; he died in spirit. God exiled him from His presence that
day.

I articulated this fairly clearly, I thought. I'm not sure why you're not getting
it."___Norwegen



Norwegen,

My view is you are attempting to force an incorrect interpretation on Genesis 2:15-17
which does not say or even imply that the death had to be immediate. Your phrase
"on the day" is not required by the text of Genesis ~ ~ God nowhere said or implied
that the up-coming death had to be "on the day" Adam sinned. It is clear from the
natural unfolding of events in Genesis that God did NOT intend for the death to
occur "on the same day" Adam sinned but rather God's intention was for Adam
and Eve to live out their days and then die ~ ~ which is exactly what happened.

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take
care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."___Genesis 2:15-17

Best Regards.

JAG

``

Yea, actually, Genesis does say that the death would be immediate.

And guess what: when Adam ate the fruit, he did not fall down dead.

 

[JAG]

"The world changed, then. Literally. A world in which fanged creatures eat
grass and all creatures roam the earth forever is in no way a world in which
fanged creatures eat other creatures and flesh decays. Deny it all you want,
but a belief that man and his environment were recreated is a belief that
the Bible does not teach and that really does nothing more than caricature it.

Biological death is not a death that concerned the ancient Israelites. The
arrest of all biological functions is not an idea upon which they built their
faith or their narrative.

If it is - if that is what Jesus came to restore, or redeem - then he failed."
____Norwegen

I have no idea what you're are trying to establish as true.
You seem to strongly overwork the word "recreated"
and from all I can tell you are building your view on
and around the word "recreated" -- the Bible does
not say the world was "recreated" and I have no idea
what you are trying to establish as true.

The Bible is crystal clear that , , ,
{1} God made man and the earth sin free.
{2} There was no sin before The Fall
{3} Adam and Eve chose to sin.
{4} The results of their sin was pain, disease, and death
{4} God and His Christ, will at some future point, "restore Eden"
and man and the Earth will again be sin free and all pain,
suffering, disease, and death will be eliminated.

JAG

``

Exactly. The Bible does not say that the world was recreated. It does not say that man was created to be immortal, and then created again to be mortal. Flesh did not undergo such drastic physiological alterations.

In fact, the Israelites taught the opposite, that flesh comes from dust and returns to dust. Their desire was never to live forever with nature, but to live forever with God. Death in their minds was condemnation; belief led to life.

“It is the Spirit who gives life,” Jesus said. “The flesh is no help at all.” (Jn 6:63)

When Ephraim (Israel, or the ten Northern tribes) worshipped Baal, he died. Death came to Israel through idolatry. This dead people did not repent but instead sinned more and more (Hos 13:1-2), which they did as living, breathing organisms. When Ephraim died, he did not die in the flesh.

Likewise with the Pharisees, who, like whitewashed tombs, knowing not the Father, were the walking dead, full of dead men’s bones (Mt 23:27). Strangers to God, they were dead.

The day Adam ate the serpent's fruit and died, he did not keel over and orphan his children. He was exiled from God's presence.

You're right: the Bible does not say that the world was recreated; it does not say that man was created again to be something different. So, why you would insist that man is a different creature now than he was in the Garden is a mystery.

"You're right: the Bible does not say that the world was
recreated; it does not say that man was created again
to be something different. So, why you would insist
that man is a different creature now than he
was in the Garden is a mystery"___Norwegen

My friend I have zero clues where you are going with this
or what you are trying to accomplish here with this line of
thought. Your words "recreated" and your phrase "different
creature" has got some idea lurking behind them and I
have no idea what the idea is that's lurking behind them.

It is impossible to read Genesis chapters 1, 2, and 3 and
not conclude that Adam and Eve were "different creatures"
after The Fall that introduced the Sin Principle and all its
consequences and ramifications for example Death.

There would have been no Death had there not been
The Fall into sin. THAT alone is enough to establish
both Adam & Eve as being "different creatures."

All you have to do is merely surface read Genesis
chapters 1, 2, and 3 to see clear solid Biblical evidence
that The Sin Principle changed Adam & Eve into
"different creatures."

What do you want to accomplish here?

Best Regards.

JAG

``

Adam and Eve were not immortal creatures in the Garden of Eden. Not only is that idea nonsensical, but it's contrary to the Scriptures.

"Adam and Eve were not immortal creatures in the Garden of Eden. Not only is
that idea nonsensical, but it's contrary to the Scriptures."___Norwegen

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take
care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."___Genesis 2:15-17

On your interpretation of Genesis 2:17 it would read like this:

~ ~ You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat
from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from
it you will certainly die -- but of course you are going to die anyway
whether you eat from the tree or not ~ ~

My view is that interpretation is nonsensical.
However I am willing to listen to you what you have to say and I will consider
it. Give me some solid proof that Adam & Eve would have died whether they
obeyed or disobeyed God.

Best.

JAG


``

"For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Adam did not keel over and orphan his children on the day he ate the serpent's fruit. He did not die physically that day; he died in spirit. God exiled him from His presence that day.

I articulated this fairly clearly, I thought. I'm not sure why you're not getting it.

"For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Adam did not keel over
and orphan his children on the day he ate the serpent's fruit. He did not die
physically that day; he died in spirit. God exiled him from His presence that
day.

I articulated this fairly clearly, I thought. I'm not sure why you're not getting
it."___Norwegen



Norwegen,

My view is you are attempting to force an incorrect interpretation on Genesis 2:15-17
which does not say or even imply that the death had to be immediate. Your phrase
"on the day" is not required by the text of Genesis ~ ~ God nowhere said or implied
that the up-coming death had to be "on the day" Adam sinned. It is clear from the
natural unfolding of events in Genesis that God did NOT intend for the death to
occur "on the same day" Adam sinned but rather God's intention was for Adam
and Eve to live out their days and then die ~ ~ which is exactly what happened.

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take
care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any
tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."___Genesis 2:15-17

Best Regards.

JAG

``

Yea, actually, Genesis does say that the death would be immediate.

And guess what: when Adam ate the fruit, he did not fall down dead.

"Yea, actually, Genesis does say that the death would be immediate.

And guess what: when Adam ate the fruit, he did not fall down dead."
__Norwegen

My view is that is incorrect.
Genesis does not say that death would be immediate. My view is that you
are attempting to force that interpretation on the text. I have yet to figure
out what you are driving at? There is somewhere you "want to go" with
all of this. I do not know what you are "driving at" or where "you are
going" with this. I guess it will remain a mystery.

Best Regards.

JAG

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