Global warming? No. Howabout Global ice age within the next 70 years

[DavidS]

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

he Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.

There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the quietest it has been for a very long time.
The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.



The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it has a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized chunks of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.


Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity.
According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is unclear why this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more active again.



"There's no sign of us coming out of it yet," she told BBC News.
"At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting that we'll be going into a normal period of activity soon.
"Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period - this is a big scientific debate at the moment."

Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year (r)


In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - lasted 70 years, and led to a "mini ice age".

 

[seaninomaha]

You had the "Little Ice Age" which lasted from the 1300's to around 1850 going on at the same time as the occurance of the Maunder Minimum. There were also many occurances of sunspot minimums during the last 1000 years. I believe what will be the biggest difference from the 17th century and now is the amount of co2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The planet may be naturally moving towards the next Ice Age, but that will be lessened or maybe even negated by the major increases of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Only time will tell.

 

[Gurdari]

We can figure human involvement will add variables to the climate equation, all those against taking action on pollution, etc. must assume our activities will make Earth better, not worse since it won't stay the same).

Such optimism.

 

[Sinatra]

You had the "Little Ice Age" which lasted from the 1300's to around 1850 going on at the same time as the occurance of the Maunder Minimum. There were also many occurances of sunspot minimums during the last 1000 years. I believe what will be the biggest difference from the 17th century and now is the amount of co2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The planet may be naturally moving towards the next Ice Age, but that will be lessened or maybe even negated by the major increases of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Only time will tell.

Then thank God for that increased CO2!

I am going to start up the X5 in the driver and just let it sit for about an hour. Maybe turn the A/C on full blast.

All in the name of the environment you know...

 

[k2skier]

...for powder skiing in June, bring it on!

 

[DavidS]

We can figure human involvement will add variables to the climate equation, all those against taking action on pollution, etc. must assume our activities will make Earth better, not worse since it won't stay the same).

Such optimism.

No. Human involvement has added NO variables to our climate. Our weather is no different today than it would be had we invented no fossil fuels or anything that emits CO2 whatsoever. Global Warming is the biggest hoax since snake oil.

 

[edthecynic]

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

he Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.

There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the quietest it has been for a very long time.
The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.



The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it has a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized chunks of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.


Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity.
According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is unclear why this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more active again.



"There's no sign of us coming out of it yet," she told BBC News.
"At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting that we'll be going into a normal period of activity soon.
"Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period - this is a big scientific debate at the moment."

Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year (r)


In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - lasted 70 years, and led to a "mini ice age".

Let me get this straight, this last decade was the warmest in the history of direct instrument measurement WITHOUT the help of the sun????

 

[Zoom-boing]

They will still call it 'climate change' - that's why they moved away from the 'global warming' catch-phrase. Clever, aren't they?

 

[KittenKoder]

...for powder skiing in June, bring it on!

I knew you wanted the ice age ... LOL ... that's why I don't give you as hard a time for wanting the "green" stuff.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Holy shit, Global warming sounded much better than a mini ice age = \

 

[Epsilon Delta]

You had the "Little Ice Age" which lasted from the 1300's to around 1850 going on at the same time as the occurance of the Maunder Minimum. There were also many occurances of sunspot minimums during the last 1000 years. I believe what will be the biggest difference from the 17th century and now is the amount of co2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The planet may be naturally moving towards the next Ice Age, but that will be lessened or maybe even negated by the major increases of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Only time will tell.

Haha, that would be an INCREDIBLY ironic twist! That'd be some dumb luck.

 

[FactFinder]

You had the "Little Ice Age" which lasted from the 1300's to around 1850 going on at the same time as the occurance of the Maunder Minimum. There were also many occurances of sunspot minimums during the last 1000 years. I believe what will be the biggest difference from the 17th century and now is the amount of co2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The planet may be naturally moving towards the next Ice Age, but that will be lessened or maybe even negated by the major increases of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Only time will tell.

Haha, that would be an INCREDIBLY ironic twist! That'd be some dumb luck.

The sad part is that Congress is trying to get through legislation that will dramatically raise the cost of us trying to keep warm.

 

[KittenKoder]

You had the "Little Ice Age" which lasted from the 1300's to around 1850 going on at the same time as the occurance of the Maunder Minimum. There were also many occurances of sunspot minimums during the last 1000 years. I believe what will be the biggest difference from the 17th century and now is the amount of co2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The planet may be naturally moving towards the next Ice Age, but that will be lessened or maybe even negated by the major increases of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Only time will tell.

Haha, that would be an INCREDIBLY ironic twist! That'd be some dumb luck.

The sad part is that Congress is trying to get through legislation that will dramatically raise the cost of us trying to keep warm.

Well ... at least they are thinking of the future ... for profits.

 

[FactFinder]

NASA inadvertently spells out the real cause of the former warming.

NASA - Deep Solar Minimum

A 55-year low in solar radio emissions: After World War II, astronomers began keeping records of the sun's brightness at radio wavelengths. Records of 10.7 cm flux extend back all the way to the early 1950s. Radio telescopes are now recording the dimmest "radio sun" since 1955: plot. Some researchers believe that the lessening of radio emissions is an indication of weakness in the sun's global magnetic field. No one is certain, however, because the source of these long-monitored radio emissions is not fully understood.

All these lows have sparked a debate about whether the ongoing minimum is "weird", "extreme" or just an overdue "market correction" following a string of unusually intense solar maxima.

 

[Old Rocks]

We can figure human involvement will add variables to the climate equation, all those against taking action on pollution, etc. must assume our activities will make Earth better, not worse since it won't stay the same).

Such optimism.

No. Human involvement has added NO variables to our climate. Our weather is no different today than it would be had we invented no fossil fuels or anything that emits CO2 whatsoever. Global Warming is the biggest hoax since snake oil.

But you know better than every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world.

We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by nearly 40%, increased the CH4 by 250%, and added many gases that are not natural, that are also potent greenhouse gases. We have had a major impact already on the climate, one that is going to increase over the coming years.

 

[Old Rocks]

They will still call it 'climate change' - that's why they moved away from the 'global warming' catch-phrase. Clever, aren't they?

Climate change is what global warming leads to. To complicated for your intellect? Climate change leads to this kind of thing;



DROUGHT 2009

 

[Old Rocks]

You had the "Little Ice Age" which lasted from the 1300's to around 1850 going on at the same time as the occurance of the Maunder Minimum. There were also many occurances of sunspot minimums during the last 1000 years. I believe what will be the biggest difference from the 17th century and now is the amount of co2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The planet may be naturally moving towards the next Ice Age, but that will be lessened or maybe even negated by the major increases of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Only time will tell.

Haha, that would be an INCREDIBLY ironic twist! That'd be some dumb luck.

We can hope.

 

[Old Rocks]

NASA inadvertently spells out the real cause of the former warming.

NASA - Deep Solar Minimum

A 55-year low in solar radio emissions: After World War II, astronomers began keeping records of the sun's brightness at radio wavelengths. Records of 10.7 cm flux extend back all the way to the early 1950s. Radio telescopes are now recording the dimmest "radio sun" since 1955: plot. Some researchers believe that the lessening of radio emissions is an indication of weakness in the sun's global magnetic field. No one is certain, however, because the source of these long-monitored radio emissions is not fully understood.

All these lows have sparked a debate about whether the ongoing minimum is "weird", "extreme" or just an overdue "market correction" following a string of unusually intense solar maxima.

We have not had an increase in the total solar irradiance for the time that we have been observing the sun with satellites. In fact, we have had an insignificant decrease in TSI.

 

[k2skier]

We can figure human involvement will add variables to the climate equation, all those against taking action on pollution, etc. must assume our activities will make Earth better, not worse since it won't stay the same).

Such optimism.

No. Human involvement has added NO variables to our climate. Our weather is no different today than it would be had we invented no fossil fuels or anything that emits CO2 whatsoever. Global Warming is the biggest hoax since snake oil.

If you repeat I lie like the one you just said, you can convince yourself it's the truth. Problem is, what if your wrong?

 

[KittenKoder]

We can figure human involvement will add variables to the climate equation, all those against taking action on pollution, etc. must assume our activities will make Earth better, not worse since it won't stay the same).

Such optimism.

No. Human involvement has added NO variables to our climate. Our weather is no different today than it would be had we invented no fossil fuels or anything that emits CO2 whatsoever. Global Warming is the biggest hoax since snake oil.

If you repeat I lie like the one you just said, you can convince yourself it's the truth. Problem is, what if your wrong?

But what if you are wrong? Same consequences ... just different method for getting there. The only difference, at least we will be looking for the roots of the problems and not just want to change the symptoms.