Gay Marriage Plebiscite

[barryqwalsh]

With Australians preparing for a national plebiscite on same-sex marriage, we visit Ireland – where it was legalised on one side of the border two years ago – and listen to different sides of the debate.



By Dean Cornish, Joel Tozer


Airdate: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 21:30
Channel: SBS



http://www.sbs.com.au/news/datelin

 

[usmbguest5318]

With Australians preparing for a national plebiscite on same-sex marriage, we visit Ireland – where it was legalised on one side of the border two years ago – and listen to different sides of the debate.

By Dean Cornish, Joel Tozer

Airdate: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - 21:30
Channel: SBS

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/datelin

Re: your link.

 

[DOTR]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

 

[bodecea]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

Hundreds of times.....just like the hundreds of times "we voted" to keep inter-racial marriage illegal.......

 

[DOTR]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

Hundreds of times.....just like the hundreds of times "we voted" to keep inter-racial marriage illegal.......

yes yes I know. As I said Americans cant be allowed to self govern. They mess it up...right? And liberal oligarchs have to fix it by ignoring their votes.
Must be so tiresome being a liberal elite and constantly having to undo what the American people wrongly want.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

Hundreds of times.....just like the hundreds of times "we voted" to keep inter-racial marriage illegal.......

Oh? Cite them, Nazi Pete?

 

[Syriusly]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

I am ashamed at the state of American education displayed by your post.

We don't have rulers in the United States- despite what you have learned from Stormfront and Alex Jones.

But we do have a Constitution, and a Supreme Court.

And just like the Supreme Court overturned the unconstitutional bans on mixed race marriages, it also overturned the unconstitutional bans on same gender marriages.

P.S.- we don't have national plebiscites in the U.S.

And now people in love can get legally married. Hopefully Australia will follow suit.

 

[Syriusly]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

Hundreds of times.....just like the hundreds of times "we voted" to keep inter-racial marriage illegal.......

yes yes I know. As I said Americans cant be allowed to self govern. They mess it up...right? And liberal oligarchs have to fix it by ignoring their votes.
Must be so tiresome being a liberal elite and constantly having to undo what the American people wrongly want.

Shame you hate the Constitution so much that you think that Americans should be able to ignore it.

Must have really pissed you off when the Supreme Court overturned those state laws forbidding mixed race marriages....

 

[thetor]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

Hundreds of times.....just like the hundreds of times "we voted" to keep inter-racial marriage illegal.......

yes yes I know. As I said Americans cant be allowed to self govern. They mess it up...right? And liberal oligarchs have to fix it by ignoring their votes.
Must be so tiresome being a liberal elite and constantly having to undo what the American people wrongly want.

Shame you hate the Constitution so much that you think that Americans should be able to ignore it.

Must have really pissed you off when the Supreme Court overturned those state laws forbidding mixed race marriages....

Same Sex marriage has my Vote

 

[DOTR]

Same Sex marriage has my Vote

Why should your vote matter? The Supreme Court says that self government fantasy can be ignored.

 

[Syriusly]

Same Sex marriage has my Vote

Why should your vote matter? The Supreme Court says that self government fantasy can be ignored.

The ignorance is strong with you homophobes.

The Supreme Court says that state laws have to obey the Constitution- and that applies to gun laws- and marriage laws.

 

[thetor]

Same Sex marriage has my Vote

Why should your vote matter? The Supreme Court says that self government fantasy can be ignored.

I believe Australia does not have a constitution,like us

 

[The Great Goose]

Waste of time and money.

 

[OZman]

I believe Australia does not have a constitution,like us

Here it is: The annotated constitution of the Australian Commonwealth : Quick, John, Sir, 1852-1932 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[martybegan]

Must be nice to have a say in government. Here in the US we voted dozens if not hundreds of times to reject this bastardization of marriage. Our rulers decided otherwise.

Hundreds of times.....just like the hundreds of times "we voted" to keep inter-racial marriage illegal.......

yes yes I know. As I said Americans cant be allowed to self govern. They mess it up...right? And liberal oligarchs have to fix it by ignoring their votes.
Must be so tiresome being a liberal elite and constantly having to undo what the American people wrongly want.

Shame you hate the Constitution so much that you think that Americans should be able to ignore it.

Must have really pissed you off when the Supreme Court overturned those state laws forbidding mixed race marriages....

Kind of like how NYC hates it by making me wait 3-6 months for a freaking handgun permit.

Race and sex are not even in the same ballpark. One is a cosmetic difference, there other involved the radical re-definition of a contract that goes back millennia and has always involved opposite sex individuals, (even when in plurality).

What Obergfell should have done is allow States to define their own rules with regards to ISSUING SSM licenses, but force them to recognize ANY valid marriage license issued by another State via full faith and credit. That would allow people to get their marriages NOW, and let the rest of the country catch up eventually without the jiggery-pokery of 5/9 un-elected lawyers determine the outcome.

Kudos to Australia for doing it the right way, just like all the States that passed SSM legislatively.

 

[DOTR]

Kudos to Australia for doing it the right way, just like all the States that passed SSM legislatively.

Name a state that passed its same sex marriage NOT under threat from unelected Federal Judges. Your lies are insidious in that they attack self government. The people of every state but perhaps two tried over and over to find a way to express their opposition to this travesty. They were over ruled.
Dont rewrite history. We didn't "pass" same sex marriage laws. In most cases we "passed" laws banning it. Five elites in DC overturned the will of 300 million Americans.

 

[martybegan]

Kudos to Australia for doing it the right way, just like all the States that passed SSM legislatively.

Name a state that passed its same sex marriage NOT under threat from unelected Federal Judges. Your lies are insidious in that they attack self government. The people of every state but perhaps two tried over and over to find a way to express their opposition to this travesty. They were over ruled.
Dont rewrite history. We didn't "pass" same sex marriage laws. In most cases we "passed" laws banning it. Five elites in DC overturned the will of 300 million Americans.

New York passed it legislatively and willingly. Since that is my State, that's the one I care about. I supported making SSM legal in New York Legislatively.

My arguments against Obergfell are about the process, not the end result.

 

[DOTR]

Kudos to Australia for doing it the right way, just like all the States that passed SSM legislatively.

Name a state that passed its same sex marriage NOT under threat from unelected Federal Judges. Your lies are insidious in that they attack self government. The people of every state but perhaps two tried over and over to find a way to express their opposition to this travesty. They were over ruled.
Dont rewrite history. We didn't "pass" same sex marriage laws. In most cases we "passed" laws banning it. Five elites in DC overturned the will of 300 million Americans.

New York passed it legislatively and willingly. Since that is my State, that's the one I care about. I supported making SSM legal in New York Legislatively.

My arguments against Obergfell are about the process, not the end result.

I meant to say besides New York. I believe New Hampshire did as well but not sure. Interestingly enough New York also legalized abortion before the oligarchs in DC overturned the laws of 48 other states.
Regardless , New York broke its own rules to pass the law (one, debate, exclusionary , open meetings and ethical (with the promise of shared campaign funds for any republican who voted yes). But New York’s corruption is New York’s problem on my opinion.
America itself rejected giving homosexuals a license. Even California. That right of self government was taken.
Had in not been New York would have repealed its law in a few years.

 

[anotherlife]

An LGBT spokesperson declared a few years ago, that gays don't want to marry, the purpose of gay marriage is to take down the institution of marriage categorically for everyone once for all.

 

[DOTR]

An LGBT spokesperson declared a few years ago, that gays don't want to marry, the purpose of gay marriage is to take down the institution of marriage categorically for everyone once for all.

I think you are right.
Marriage as an institution has to be eradicated. Gays consider it a constant reminder of their pathology. Feminists consider it an instrument of oppression. Socialists see it as an alternative to dependency. Statists see it as a competing loyalty and a subversive educational conduit for western tradition.