Former MI6 director: 'Putin wants to treat Ukraine the same way Hitler planned to do'

[Litwin]

Just because Putin wants to negotiate doesn’t mean that Ukrainian and the West have to negotiate.

 

[Votto]

It would not surprise me if Putin was apart of the cabal of governments across the globe who wish to drive up fuel prices and limit food supplies.

If so, the apparent opposition towards him is just one big show.

 

[ESay]

Negotiations can be started, why not? Or more correctly, resumed (as they already happened in March and April, but brought no result).

The main condition from Ukraine - Russia should abandon their silly demands about surrendering, 'denazification' and 'demilitarization'.

 

[Silver Cat]

Negotiations can be started, why not? Or more correctly, resumed (as they already happened in March and April, but brought no result).

The main condition from Ukraine - Russia should abandon their silly demands about surrendering, 'denazification' and 'demilitarization'.

So, the negotiations will be totally useless. As Lavrov said - all their objectives will be completed (including denazification and demilitarisation).

 

[ESay]

So, the negotiations will be totally useless. As Lavrov said - all their objectives will be completed (including denazification and demilitarisation).

What a surprise.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Just because Putin wants to negotiate doesn’t mean that Ukrainian and the West have to negotiate.

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I hoped some stray Kalibr got you. It hasn't yet. Bummer!
When am I supposed to come to Hague tribunal? Remind me lest I forget.

 

[surada]

It would not surprise me if Putin was apart of the cabal of governments across the globe who wish to drive up fuel prices and limit food supplies.

If so, the apparent opposition towards him is just one big show.

What cabal of countries?

 

[22lcidw]

It would not surprise me if Putin was apart of the cabal of governments across the globe who wish to drive up fuel prices and limit food supplies.

If so, the apparent opposition towards him is just one big show.

Russia has its sphere of influence as we have. It keeps the nations around it under control. We have not known disobedience and loss of influence as they have to a a good degree. But for them their influence always comes home. We are safer if they have that influence. We must also protect from them expanding too far. Ukraine was always theirs.

 

[ESay]

Russia has its sphere of influence as we have. It keeps the nations around it under control. We have not known disobedience and loss of influence as they have to a a good degree. But for them their influence always comes home. We are safer if they have that influence. We must also protect from them expanding too far. Ukraine was always theirs.

And who is to decide what was always theirs and what not? You, the Russians, the UN or who?

There was the time when Finland was their part, a chunk of Poland, the Baltics, the Caucasus region, Central Asia. There was the time when half of Ukraine belonged to Poland.

 

[para bellum]

This is a war of choice for Putin. For Ukraine it's a war of survival.

The only ones who can decide if it's time for negotiations is Ukraine. I think it would be a huge mistake to give Putin an off-ramp.

Putin's calculus is not Russia's national security. Russian security was never threatened. Putin's calculus is the security of his own regime, and he won't negotiate that away.

He has to keep popular support, which he can do as long as he is in total control of the media inside Russia.

He also has to keep the support of his generals.

Ukraine has the opportunity, and should try to remove the 49th CAA from the Russian ORBAT. Losing Kherson won't change his calculus, but losing an entire army would put him at odds with his own military commanders.

Absent that, he could very well walk into Ukraine next year with 500,000 conscripts armed with AK-74's, and just keep marching until Ukraine runs out of ammunition.

 

[Silver Cat]

This is a war of choice for Putin. For Ukraine it's a war of survival.

The only ones who can decide if it's time for negotiations is Ukraine. I think it would be a huge mistake to give Putin an off-ramp.

Putin's calculus is not Russia's national security. Russian security was never threatened. Putin's calculus is the security of his own regime, and he won't negotiate that away.

He has to keep popular support, which he can do as long as he is in total control of the media inside Russia.

He also has to keep the support of his generals.

Ukraine has the opportunity, and should try to remove the 49th CAA from the Russian ORBAT. Losing Kherson won't change his calculus, but losing an entire army would put him at odds with his own military commanders.

Absent that, he could very well walk into Ukraine next year with 500,000 conscripts armed with AK-74's, and just keep marching until Ukraine runs out of ammunition.

Actually, it is not a war for both sides. It is a special military operation for Moscow, and it is a counter terroristic operation for Kiev.
And it was Kiev, who raised the level of violence from 'civil disorders' to 'military operation' in Donbass back in 2014. They had a chance for peace settlement (by granting equal rights for the Russian speakers or some sort of cultural autonomy or even fulfilling Minsk agreements), but they failed it. The USA government allow existence of Afro-American and Latino-American cultures. Washington didn't bomb Harlem and Crenshaw, but Kievan régime bombed Donetsk and Lugansk. The result was pretty predictable - civil war and then foreign invasion.