Folly of German Solar and Green Energy in EU

[Manonthestreet]

now being repeated here.....MN plunging into big solar waste...... Badly located renewable power plants cost Europe 100 billion Davos report Reuters (Reuters) - Europe could have saved itself $100 billion by installing solar power panels in sunnier countries and wind turbines in windier places, the World Economic Forum's "Future of Electricity" platform said in a report released on Tuesday.
It said that even though Spain gets about 65 percent more solar energy than Germany (1750 kilowatt-hours per square meter/year compared to 1050 kWh/m2 for Germany), Germany has installed about 600 percent more solar photovoltaic capacity (33 gigawatts compared to 5 GW).

 

[Mr. H.]

It's the trendy thing to do.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Poverty is very trendy these days....wonder why EU is imploding

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

In Texas, Austin Energy signed a deal this spring for 20 years of output from a solar farm at less than 5 cents a kilowatt-hour. In September, the Grand River Dam Authority in Oklahoma announced its approval of a new agreement to buy power from a new wind farm expected to be completed next year. Grand River estimated the deal would save its customers roughly $50 million from the project.

And, also in Oklahoma, American Electric Power ended up tripling the amount of wind power it had originally sought after seeing how low the bids came in last year.

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

Wind now costs less than cheap dirty coal, less even than natural gas. And solar is within half a cent per kilowatt of dirty coal. And these are unsubsidized prices. While solar and wind have been getting subsidized, coal also has been subsidized through depletion allowances. There is no depletion of sun or wind.

I really don't understand the rabid aversion the 'Conservatives' have toward solar and wind. It is almost as if they like the idea of polluting the atmosphere with lead, mercury, and uranium. To say nothing of the environmental effect of strip mining in Montana and Wyoming, and the removal of mountain tops in West Virginia and Kentucky. The poisoning of rivers with fly ash. Such a lovely picture the burning of coal presents.

 

[Old Rocks]

Poverty is very trendy these days....wonder why EU is imploding

Hey, you 'Conservatives' have been stating that we are headed for hell ever since President Obama was elected. Yet here we are. Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive. The market is between 17,000 and 18,000, after you fellows drove it down to 6500. Unemployment is down to 5.6, and still going down. And the bet that President Obama made on the Renewable Energy sector is paying off. With the grid scale starting to be put online by 2018, solar and wind will be 24/7, and far cheaper than coal, natural gas, or even nuclear.

Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

Utility-scale batteries have been a holy grail within the energy sector for years. With enough storage space, surplus electricity can be generated at night, when plants usually sit idle, to be used the next day, when demand is highest. Power outages would become less frequent. Wind and solar power, susceptible to weather conditions, could be built on a larger scale. The only problem has been that the price of batteries has been too high to make economic sense. But if they’re purchased on a large enough scale, that won’t be the case for long, said Oncor CEO Bob Shapard.

“Everyone assumed the price point was five to six years out. We’re getting indications from everyone we’ve talked to they can get us to that price by 2018,” he said in an interview Wednesday.

The Dallas-based transmission company is proposing the installation of 5,000 megawatts of batteries not just in its service area but across Texas’ entire grid. That is the equivalent of four nuclear power plants on a grid with a capacity of about 81,000 megawatts.

Ranging from refrigerator- to dumpster-size, the batteries would be installed behind shopping centers and in neighborhoods. Statewide, Oncor estimates a total price tag of $5.2 billion. A study commissioned by Oncor with the Brattle Group, a Massachusetts consulting firm that provides power market analysis for state regulators, says the project would not raise bills. Revenue from rental of storage space on the batteries, along with a decrease in power prices and transmission costs, should actually decrease the average Texas residential power bill 34 cents to $179.66 a month, the report said.

I don't Europe is going to implode, any more than I think the US is going to implode.

 

[elektra]

Poverty is very trendy these days....wonder why EU is imploding

Hey, you 'Conservatives' have been stating that we are headed for hell ever since President Obama was elected. Yet here we are. Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive. The market is between 17,000 and 18,000, after you fellows drove it down to 6500. Unemployment is down to 5.6, and still going down. And the bet that President Obama made on the Renewable Energy sector is paying off. With the grid scale starting to be put online by 2018, solar and wind will be 24/7, and far cheaper than coal, natural gas, or even nuclear.

Oncor proposes giant leap for grid batteries Dallas Morning News

Utility-scale batteries have been a holy grail within the energy sector for years. With enough storage space, surplus electricity can be generated at night, when plants usually sit idle, to be used the next day, when demand is highest. Power outages would become less frequent. Wind and solar power, susceptible to weather conditions, could be built on a larger scale. The only problem has been that the price of batteries has been too high to make economic sense. But if they’re purchased on a large enough scale, that won’t be the case for long, said Oncor CEO Bob Shapard.

“Everyone assumed the price point was five to six years out. We’re getting indications from everyone we’ve talked to they can get us to that price by 2018,” he said in an interview Wednesday.

The Dallas-based transmission company is proposing the installation of 5,000 megawatts of batteries not just in its service area but across Texas’ entire grid. That is the equivalent of four nuclear power plants on a grid with a capacity of about 81,000 megawatts.

Ranging from refrigerator- to dumpster-size, the batteries would be installed behind shopping centers and in neighborhoods. Statewide, Oncor estimates a total price tag of $5.2 billion. A study commissioned by Oncor with the Brattle Group, a Massachusetts consulting firm that provides power market analysis for state regulators, says the project would not raise bills. Revenue from rental of storage space on the batteries, along with a decrease in power prices and transmission costs, should actually decrease the average Texas residential power bill 34 cents to $179.66 a month, the report said.

I don't Europe is going to implode, any more than I think the US is going to implode.

Another lie by Old Crock, I state lie because Old Crock has posted this same story, and Old Crock received a response that proves this as nothing more than Propaganda put out by the Green Energy Industry.

Anybody notice their Electric Rates going down, here in Southern California our rates have skyrocketed. We even have a special program for the poor people, we pay their electric bills. There is even a tax on my electric bill to pay the extreme cost incurred by the poor people.

Either way, if we are to accept the word of the Solar and Wind industry, that they are cheap, we should take the word of the Tobacco companies when they state their products do not harm.

Texas Comptroller Report Destroys Wind Industry Claims Heartlander Magazine

A new report by the Texas Comptroller documents how wind power is raising electricity prices in Texas, throwing cold water on false assertions made by American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) lobbyists. Big Wind made its false assertions about Texas wind power after I pointed out in a Forbes.com article that electricity prices are soaring in the states most reliant on wind power.

 

[elektra]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/b...-win-on-price-vs-conventional-fuels.html?_r=0

In Texas, Austin Energy signed a deal this spring for 20 years of output from a solar farm at less than 5 cents a kilowatt-hour. In September, the Grand River Dam Authority in Oklahoma announced its approval of a new agreement to buy power from a new wind farm expected to be completed next year. Grand River estimated the deal would save its customers roughly $50 million from the project.

And, also in Oklahoma, American Electric Power ended up tripling the amount of wind power it had originally sought after seeing how low the bids came in last year.

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

Wind now costs less than cheap dirty coal, less even than natural gas. And solar is within half a cent per kilowatt of dirty coal. And these are unsubsidized prices. While solar and wind have been getting subsidized, coal also has been subsidized through depletion allowances. There is no depletion of sun or wind.

I really don't understand the rabid aversion the 'Conservatives' have toward solar and wind. It is almost as if they like the idea of polluting the atmosphere with lead, mercury, and uranium. To say nothing of the environmental effect of strip mining in Montana and Wyoming, and the removal of mountain tops in West Virginia and Kentucky. The poisoning of rivers with fly ash. Such a lovely picture the burning of coal presents.

Hey, idiot, this thread is about Germany, not Texas?

Maybe Old Crock can address why DOW Chemical can not operate with electricity from the Grid in Germany, from what I understand there is not enough electricity to go around, hence companies like DOW Chemical must generate their own power, from Fossil Fuel.

Siemens gas and steam turbines powering Dow in Stade Germany Electric Power News Energy Central

After successful completion of several months of testing and trial runs, three Siemens gas turbines were recently handed over to Dow Stade at Dow's new cogeneration power plant. The cogeneration plant is part of the energy concept for the Dow chemical site located in Stade, Germany along the Elbe river and contributes to secure and highly available power supply for the entire site. The installed capacity of the plant is 163 megawatts (MW)

Seems that Green Energy has failed in Germany, why did Dow Chemical need to turn to Gas Turbines if Green Energy is so great and providing so much cheap energy. The simple answer is somebody is a liar.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, Elektra, you worry about Germany, in the meantime, the rest of us will take care of the US.

 

[elektra]

Well, Elektra, you worry about Germany, in the meantime, the rest of us will take care of the US.

Yea, that is the problem, idiots, "taking care of us".

Here is my answer to Old Crock and all you others, who took care of us!
YOU FAILED, AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN.


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