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It's Official, Finland will be submitting application for NATO membership. Russia is pissed but there isn't a lot they can do about it. This is probably a good move for Finland but it might not be for NATO. Finland has over 800 miles of border with Russia to defend and a very small military. It's relatively small GDP means it will not be a major contributor to NATO.No link available yet.
Just a public service announcement from an informed source.
edit: Finland officially decides to join NATO
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You haven't added anything new, so allow me: First, in what way could it not be good for Nato? I would suggest that it's rather neutral for Nato if anything. The real question is on whether it's good for Finland and Sweden?It's Official, Finland will be submitting application for NATO membership. Russia is pissed but there isn't a lot they can do about it. This is probably a good move for Finland but it might not be for NATO. Finland has over 800 miles of border with Russia to defend and a very small military. It's relatively small GDP means it will not be a major contributor to NATO.
Sweden is a different story. It has no borders with Russia, a larger military, a larger GDP and has worked closely with NATO on several military ventures.
Previously neutral Finland announces it wants to join NATO
Finland's President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin announced the country wants to join NATO.
It's Official, Finland will be submitting application for NATO membership. Russia is pissed but there isn't a lot they can do about it. This is probably a good move for Finland but it might not be for NATO. Finland has over 800 miles of border with Russia to defend and a very small military. It's relatively small GDP means it will not be a major contributor to NATO.
Sweden is a different story. It has no borders with Russia, a larger military, a larger GDP and has worked closely with NATO on several military ventures.
Previously neutral Finland announces it wants to join NATO
Finland's President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin announced the country wants to join NATO.
For the same reason that Finland joining NATO would be good for Finland, it may not be that good for NATO. This would add 800 miles of border for NATO to defend and Finland's small military, population, and GDP means their contribution to NATO would small.You haven't added anything new, so allow me: First, in what way could it not be good for Nato? I would suggest that it's rather neutral for Nato if anything. The real question is on whether it's good for Finland and Sweden?
There's some satisfaction to be gained if one accepts that Russia is concerned. That could be but I think the concern is minimal. Russia completely understands that their fight is against America and no threat will eminate from these two new members. The Ukraine isn't America and neither are these two prospective new members.
That can be disputed but the fact that Russia understands it that way can't be. However, that doesn't negate the fact that an aggression by one .................................!
From my Canadian POV, we couldn't get the hell out of Nato fast enough. That's the message on how we need to be protected by the US/Nato!
LookFor the same reason that Finland joining NATO would be good for Finland, it may not be that good for NATO. This would add 800 miles of border for NATO to defend and Finland's small military, population, and GDP means their contribution to NATO would small.
Sweden is a lot different. It has less to fear from Russia and would be an assets to NATO. The question for Sweden is whether they are ready to give up a long history of neutrality.
Look Flopper, the activation of either Finland's or Sweden's military against Russia is completely out of the question and after the fact. If anybody is unaware of a Nato country being prohibited from direct aggression against Russia, they're living in denial.For the same reason that Finland joining NATO would be good for Finland, it may not be that good for NATO. This would add 800 miles of border for NATO to defend and Finland's small military, population, and GDP means their contribution to NATO would small.
Sweden is a lot different. It has less to fear from Russia and would be an assets to NATO. The question for Sweden is whether they are ready to give up a long history of neutrality.
There is nothing in NATO's charter about the size requirement to join NATO. NATO is a mutual defense treaty to protect European democracies against Russian aggression in which each member is required to contribute according to its means. NATO lost its way temporarily under the malign influence of France and especially Germany by not allowing Ukraine to join after the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia and that is why there is a war in Ukraine today. Refusing to admit Finland to NATO would be an invitation to Russia to invade Finland just as NATO's refusal to admit Ukraine invited the Russian invasion of Ukraine.For the same reason that Finland joining NATO would be good for Finland, it may not be that good for NATO. This would add 800 miles of border for NATO to defend and Finland's small military, population, and GDP means their contribution to NATO would small.
Sweden is a lot different. It has less to fear from Russia and would be an assets to NATO. The question for Sweden is whether they are ready to give up a long history of neutrality.
Putin doesn't just need a satisfactory conclusion in the Ukraine, he has to have one. He can't afford to turn around the army and head home with nothing to show for the invasion. And yes, America is well aware this. I expect a settlement in which Russia annexes eastern Ukraine to Black Sea and what remains of Ukraine eventually becomes a member of NATO.Look
Look Flopper, the activation of either Finland's or Sweden's military against Russia is completely out of the question and after the fact. If anybody is unaware of a Nato country being prohibited from direct aggression against Russia, they're living in denial.
Their membership in Nato isn't going to make a damn bit of difference to the Ukraine or America.
It's almost inevitable that there will be no future wars between America and Russia after this one. Russia is needing to get a satisfactory conclusion out of this war, as America may also believe it does too.
Yes contributions in accordance with their means. Finland has a long border to defend against Russia and it's military contribution will be small.There is nothing in NATO's charter about the size requirement to join NATO. NATO is a mutual defense treaty to protect European democracies against Russian aggression in which each member is required to contribute according to its means. NATO lost its way temporarily under the malign influence of France and especially Germany by not allowing Ukraine to join after the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia and that is why there is a war in Ukraine today. Refusing to admit Finland to NATO would be an invitation to Russia to invade Finland just as NATO's refusal to admit Ukraine invited the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Putin may not want to withdraw from Ukraine, but he can't afford not to. The cost of the war, 20 billion euros a day, and of the sanctions is simply too great for Russia to sustain over a long period of time without destroying Russian civil society.Putin doesn't just need a satisfactory conclusion in the Ukraine, he has to have one. He can't afford to turn around the army and head home with nothing to show for the invasion. And yes, America is well aware this. I expect a settlement in which Russia annexes eastern Ukraine to Black Sea and what remains of Ukraine eventually becomes a member of NATO.
He can barely afford himself to do that. At least, he should secure the Donbas and land bridge to Crimea.Putin may not want to withdraw from Ukraine, but he can't afford not to. The cost of the war, 20 billion euros a day, and of the sanctions is simply too great for Russia to sustain over a long period of time without destroying Russian civil society.
Ass the Russian economy continues to contract and inflation continues to grow and Russians with marketable skills rush to emigrate to lands with more opportunity, Putin will announce that Russia has accomplished all its goals in Ukraine by completely "denazifying Ukraine and securing the Russian border, and it is no longer necessary for Russian troops to remain in Ukraine. In Russia, where Putin's voice is the only voice the people ever hear, this withdrawal will be celebrated as a great victory.
Not so small. With its reserves Finland will have 300,000 soldiers to defend a very difficult terrain to invade and it has 64 F 35's and other multirole fights to protect against itself against Russia, and considering the abysmal performance of the Russian army in Ukraine Finland will be a formidable opponent for the Russian army.Yes contributions in accordance with their means. Finland has a long border to defend against Russia and it's military contribution will be small.
He has to withdraw because Russia cannot afford to sustain a long war, and as long as Russian tries to hold on to anything, the war will go on. Since the Russian people have been stupid enough to believe his bs about the war up until now, they will believe whatever bs he throws at them about why the withdrawal is a victory. The only alternative is to watch the cost of the war and the sanction crumble the Russian economy and produce such civil unrest that even the feasibility of a Russian state will tested.He can barely afford himself to do that. At least, he should secure the Donbas and land bridge to Crimea.
If the Russians begin to fortify their positions and will switch to a defence tactic, I have some doubts that Ukrainian troops can have successful large scale offensive operations.He has to withdraw because Russia cannot afford to sustain a long war, and as long as Russian tries to hold on to anything, the war will go on. Since the Russian people have been stupid enough to believe his bs about the war up until now, they will believe whatever bs he throws at them about why the withdrawal is a victory. The only alternative is to watch the cost of the war and the sanction crumble the Russian economy and produce such civil unrest that even the feasibility of a Russian state will tested.
As long as Ukraine continues to attack the Russian line, this war will continue to cost Russia 20 billion euros a day and the sanctions will continue to force the Russian economy to contract creating civil unrest that will threaten the viability of the state. Every day the war lasts, Russia grows weaker and Ukraine grows stronger. A long war favors Ukraine.If the Russians begin to fortify their positions and will switch to a defence tactic, I have some doubts that Ukrainian troops can have successful large scale offensive operations.
If you watch some pro-Russia bloggers, you can notice that they push the narrative about long-term confrontation with the West. With all inconveniences that follow. So, public opinion is already being formed.
This is not a personal thing for Putin. He's acting on his country's behalf and he's backed up with near unanimous support of Russia's people.Putin doesn't just need a satisfactory conclusion in the Ukraine, he has to have one. He can't afford to turn around the army and head home with nothing to show for the invasion.
I'm sure that what I've told you would be pretty well known to America. America understands that it's not going to be easy and has undoubtedly figured in the possibility of a nuclear war.And yes, America is well aware this.
IMO that would be total victory for Russia, and that's not possible. Russia can declare victory but there will be an offensive ongoing on behalf of the Ukraine by the US. Russia will be bombarded continuously until it is forced to give up all Ukrainian territory including the Crimea.I expect a settlement in which Russia annexes eastern Ukraine to Black Sea and what remains of Ukraine eventually becomes a member of NATO.
Not exactly. Ukraine also loses in this war - people, properties, money, economy. The war costs much for Ukraine. Recently, the G7 countries agreed to provide 5 billion dollars every month for 6 months period to cover the budget deficit caused by the war. And that is without military spending. Ukraine needs to restart its economy, adapt it to the current situation and begin to support itself in at least every day needs.As long as Ukraine continues to attack the Russian line, this war will continue to cost Russia 20 billion euros a day and the sanctions will continue to force the Russian economy to contract creating civil unrest that will threaten the viability of the state. Every day the war lasts, Russia grows weaker and Ukraine grows stronger. A long war favors Ukraine.
The situation has been created by America in which the Ukrainian adult male population will become nearly extinct.Not exactly. Ukraine also loses in this war - people, properties, money, economy. The war costs much for Ukraine. Recently, the G7 countries agreed to provide 5 billion dollars every month for 6 months period to cover the budget deficit caused by the war. And that is without military spending. Ukraine needs to restart its economy, adapt it to the current situation and begin to support itself in at least every day needs.
Ukraine has suffered and continues to suffer horrendous damage and hopefully as the Russian economy collapses the Russian people can be made to suffer some of the horrors of war they so enthusiastically support, however as Russian military factories continue to close for want of imported electronics and imported spare parts so that losses on the battlefield cannot be replaced and Ukraine's losses on the battlefields are not only quickly replaced but bolstered with additional weapons, everyday Ukraine grows stronger and Russia grows weaker. A Ukrainian victory is inevitable.Not exactly. Ukraine also loses in this war - people, properties, money, economy. The war costs much for Ukraine. Recently, the G7 countries agreed to provide 5 billion dollars every month for 6 months period to cover the budget deficit caused by the war. And that is without military spending. Ukraine needs to restart its economy, adapt it to the current situation and begin to support itself in at least every day needs.
