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Finally : "UK must be ready for war with Muscovite empire , says armed forces chief" God save the Queen !

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About rule over people.. The Crimean people wanted to join Russia? Ok, they did it. The case is closed
Bullshit. The Ukrainian government still claims it owns Crimea, as well as Globalists Western nations in the UN. So the case is not “closed”. Globalists in the UN may want to meddle in this and start a war to give Crimea to the Ukrainian government. The basis of this argument is that the referendum to unify with Russia that was held in Crimea was illegitimate according to the Ukrainian constitution….the same Ukrainian constitution that was disregarded when they removed their President. So the new government of Ukraine wants to lay claim to certain things, like land, based on its old constitution, yet completely throw it out for other things, like removing a sitting president.

Again, why is it so difficult for you globalists to just allow people to vote for their own destiny? Why must globalists have to rule over people that want nothing to do with them?
 

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Bullshit. The Ukrainian government still claims it owns Crimea, as well as Globalists Western nations in the UN. So the case is not “closed”. Globalists in the UN may want to meddle in this and start a war to give Crimea to the Ukrainian government. The basis of this argument is that the referendum to unify with Russia that was held in Crimea was illegitimate according to the Ukrainian constitution….the same Ukrainian constitution that was disregarded when they removed their President. So the new government of Ukraine wants to lay claim to certain things, like land, based on its old constitution, yet completely throw it out for other things, like removing a sitting president.

Again, why is it so difficult for you globalists to just allow people to vote for their own destiny? Why must globalists have to rule over people that want nothing to do with them?
What the Ukrainian government says has little relevance. It is not they the fate of Crimea is relied on and they decide nothing.

The main point why the referendum is criticized is because it having been held after the Russian forces came in and Moscow installed its local government there. How fair the count was remains in question.

If you followed the things properly, you would know that the West's response and Crimean sanctions were actually quite soft. Why Russia is pressured now is because of its role in fuelling war in Donbass.
 

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What the Ukrainian government says has little relevance. It is not they the fate of Crimea is relied on and they decide nothing.

The main point why the referendum is criticized is because it having been held after the Russian forces came in and Moscow installed its local government there. How fair the count was remains in question.

If you followed the things properly, you would know that the West's response and Crimean sanctions were actually quite soft. Why Russia is pressured now is because of its role in fuelling war in Donbass.
Actually, it was Kievan Junta, who sent illegal 'volunteers' and part of regular forces into Donbass, not vice versa. The industrial Eastern regions are interested in the saving their economical cooperation with Russia.
 

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Actually, it was Kievan Junta, who sent illegal 'volunteers' and part of regular forces into Donbass, not vice versa. The industrial Eastern regions are interested in the saving their economical cooperation with Russia.
All that didn't give right to Russia to occupy and annex foreign land or wage a war there.
 

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All that didn't give right to Russia to occupy and annex foreign land or wage a war there.
The last legal Ukrainian president, Yanukovich, gave them this right. Same situation as with Yemen and Saudis or, talking about missiles, with pro-Soviet Cuba and the USA at 1962.
 
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The last legal Ukrainian president, Yanukovich, gave them this right. Same situation as with Yemen and Saudis or, talking about missiles, with pro-Soviet Cuba and the USA.
You are a little bit outdated. The Yanukovich's term officially ended in the March of 2015. If even you consider the presidential elections of 2014 as illegal (because the term of the actiong president hadn't expired at that time), then the elections of 2019 can't be considered as such.

Moreover, the president doesn't have the right to invite foreign troops solely on his decision or decree. He must achieve the consent of the parliament before of that.
 

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You are a little bit outdated. The Yanukovich's term officially ended in the March of 2015. If even you consider the presidential elections of 2014 as illegal (because the term of the actiong president hadn't expired at that time), then the elections of 2019 can't be considered as such.

Moreover, the president doesn't have the right to invite foreign troops solely on his decision or decree. He must achieve the consent of the parliament before of that.
Yes. But the Parliament (or anybody else) doesn't have the right to use Ukrainian Army against Ukrainian citizens, or to establish foreign military bases.
Therefore, de jury Russian military advisers in Donbass act as private persons (vacationers and tourists).
Anyway, as the USA had the right to treaten pro-Soviet Cuba with the invasion or the nuclear war, same way Russia have a right to treaten Ukraine with the invasion or even the nuclear war.
Might is right, you know.
 

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