CDZ Fareed Zakaria, like ex-President Trump, is publicly expressing worries about the rise of Chinese leaders' authoritarianism and arrogance.

[peacefan]

Where Xi's China is heading | CNN

Imagine, for a moment, what the world looks like to people living in China today — say, to an average couple.

edition.cnn.com

Hi, all.

i saw an article by Fareed Zakaria of CNN-US, about the feared growing dangers posed by Chinese leaders' increasing aggression, arrogance and authoritarianism on the (international) political and diplomatic stages.

since Fareed Zakaria is highly respected among US Democrats, and considering as well that ex-President Trump has also spoken up several times about the same Chinese leadership problem emerging onto the global political stage,
i believe it is now of importance to the western world and most of their allies to take another detailed look at Chinese leadership doctrines, and to formulate a way to collectively counter any actual serious problems that might arise from this new Chinese arrogance.

The Chinese want the rest of the world to believe they're strong and good at the same time, and cultural genocide (Xinjang Muslims in China) is nothing new (the Americans did that with their native Indians for instance, and then decades later allowed that culture to reflourish, and the Australians did the same with the Aboriginals, which also succesfully integrated into Aussie society after a few decades of that treatment, without ever fully losing their own culture), nor is the suppressing of terrorists, uprisings and viral dissidents via methods as harsh as torture and mass imprisonment, all of which can be considered a government's last resort measures to keep the main population of a country safe from a (sometimes-)violent minority.

However, the Chinese are actively expanding their territorial claims. South China Sea, Taiwan, southern islands of Japan, and the covert control measures they put on countries even in Africa and South America via their belt and road initiative and their crime fighting technology that is based primarily on large scale deployment of facial recognition cameras.

Personally, i am of the opinion that the Chinese, Russians, Iranians (who all have limited historical emperial desires), should be allowed a globally accepted place on the world stage, as regional- or super-powers.

If we here in the west, along with our allies like the Japanese and the Aussies allow the Chinese government to control the South China Sea, then yes, they end up with a significant cash advantage from the natural resources (oil & fish primarily) and shipping taxes that can be found there.
And it would not mean that countries like Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia instantly become the lapdogs of the Chinese through pricing extortions based on oil extracted by the Chinese in the South China Sea.
These countries can buy arab oil just as easily.
And fish can be found to the south of the south china sea as well. Only the Vietnamese and the Phillipinos would have to spend just a little more on fuel to get it.

If we choose to enter into any sort of ego competition or economic war with the Chinese, well, that's frankly not up to me.
It's up to our leaders. But i think it's a very serious waste of lives and money.

Even if you manage to draw the Chinese navy and airforce into an ambush in the south china sea and/or Taiwanese strait waters,
you will be left with a post-conflict situation that includes :
- a continuation of a very large civilian cash flow from all over the world into China via the made-in-china doctrine that we've known since the 1970s or so
- a very strong scientific community in China
- a very strong military industrial apparatus in China that can build ships and subs quicker than we can over here in the west
- 1 billion Chinese very strongly pissed off about what you did to their navy.

And you can utterly forget about regime-changing China, their population has been indoctrinated to support their leaders unconditionally for well over a decade now, they have an army at least twice the size of that of the USA, and a population of 1.4 billion spread out over a very huge area.

So if you *do* go down this nasty road of militarily confronting the Chinese leadership, you'll have to isolate them (in terms of moral perception, which yes, can be done via a sustained world wide media campaign) (more than sanction them), and at the same time move the civilian production of goods that's now happening in China to countries like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, and Thailand.
And even then, the Chinese can probably rebuild their navy and airforce at least 2 or 3 times, each time with more advanced weaponry onboard their crafts.

Hitler (who i'm bringing up here ONLY because he had a migthy military machine at the start of WW2) couldn't be defeated without the destruction of his ability to get oil, and (later) the destruction of his factories and homes for his factory workers, either.
ALL wars against empires (and powerful kingdoms, like the Egyptians at the times of the exodus) are wars of attrition, of first degrading the ability of their armies to fight, then defeating their armies and possibly the civilians that support those armies, and *then* you finally get capitulation and that total victory that you're after. But you best pay close attention to *how* you win, too. Win by using too gruesome methods, and that population will hate you for centuries instead of decades.

So : I recommend we hand over the South China Sea to Chinese leadership, and guide Taiwan[1] back into Chinese leadership hands by shifting from that 'ambiguity' doctrine to an 'advocate of self-determination rights' role (which we can also use for the muslims in Xinjang, the people of Hong Kong, and the Tibetans),
and thus allow a peaceful transfer of power to happen, rather than a violent and chaotic military take-over.
The leaders of the entire Taiwanese high tech industry will have plenty of time that way to relocate themselves and their most important staff, which is important for our computer chip dependency here all over the west.

[1] (whose leaders rose up against their fellow Chinese who rule(d) mainland China and then retreated to the island of Taiwan when they lost that war)

 

[jillian]

Where Xi's China is heading | CNN

Imagine, for a moment, what the world looks like to people living in China today — say, to an average couple.

edition.cnn.com

Hi, all.

i saw an article by Fareed Zakaria of CNN-US, about the feared growing dangers posed by Chinese leaders' increasing aggression, arrogance and authoritarianism on the (international) political and diplomatic stages.

since Fareed Zakaria is highly respected among US Democrats, and considering as well that ex-President Trump has also spoken up several times about the same Chinese leadership problem emerging onto the global political stage,
i believe it is now of importance to the western world and most of their allies to take another detailed look at Chinese leadership doctrines, and to formulate a way to collectively counter any actual serious problems that might arise from this new Chinese arrogance.

The Chinese want the rest of the world to believe they're strong and good at the same time, and cultural genocide (Xinjang Muslims in China) is nothing new (the Americans did that with their native Indians for instance, and then decades later allowed that culture to reflourish, and the Australians did the same with the Aboriginals, which also succesfully integrated into Aussie society after a few decades of that treatment, without ever fully losing their own culture), nor is the suppressing of terrorists, uprisings and viral dissidents via methods as harsh as torture and mass imprisonment, all of which can be considered a government's last resort measures to keep the main population of a country safe from a (sometimes-)violent minority.

However, the Chinese are actively expanding their territorial claims. South China Sea, Taiwan, southern islands of Japan, and the covert control measures they put on countries even in Africa and South America via their belt and road initiative and their crime fighting technology that is based primarily on large scale deployment of facial recognition cameras.

Personally, i am of the opinion that the Chinese, Russians, Iranians (who all have limited historical emperial desires), should be allowed a globally accepted place on the world stage, as regional- or super-powers.

If we here in the west, along with our allies like the Japanese and the Aussies allow the Chinese government to control the South China Sea, then yes, they end up with a significant cash advantage from the natural resources (oil & fish primarily) and shipping taxes that can be found there.
And it would not mean that countries like Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia instantly become the lapdogs of the Chinese through pricing extortions based on oil extracted by the Chinese in the South China Sea.
These countries can buy arab oil just as easily.
And fish can be found to the south of the south china sea as well. Only the Vietnamese and the Phillipinos would have to spend just a little more on fuel to get it.

If we choose to enter into any sort of ego competition or economic war with the Chinese, well, that's frankly not up to me.
It's up to our leaders. But i think it's a very serious waste of lives and money.

Even if you manage to draw the Chinese navy and airforce into an ambush in the south china sea and/or Taiwanese strait waters,
you will be left with a post-conflict situation that includes :
- a continuation of a very large civilian cash flow from all over the world into China via the made-in-china doctrine that we've known since the 1970s or so
- a very strong scientific community in China
- a very strong military industrial apparatus in China that can build ships and subs quicker than we can over here in the west
- 1 billion Chinese very strongly pissed off about what you did to their navy.

And you can utterly forget about regime-changing China, their population has been indoctrinated to support their leaders unconditionally for well over a decade now, they have an army at least twice the size of that of the USA, and a population of 1.4 billion spread out over a very huge area.

So if you *do* go down this nasty road of militarily confronting the Chinese leadership, you'll have to isolate them (in terms of moral perception, which yes, can be done via a sustained world wide media campaign) (more than sanction them), and at the same time move the civilian production of goods that's now happening in China to countries like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, and Thailand.
And even then, the Chinese can probably rebuild their navy and airforce at least 2 or 3 times, each time with more advanced weaponry onboard their crafts.

Hitler (who i'm bringing up here ONLY because he had a migthy military machine at the start of WW2) couldn't be defeated without the destruction of his ability to get oil, and (later) the destruction of his factories and homes for his factory workers, either.
ALL wars against empires (and powerful kingdoms, like the Egyptians at the times of the exodus) are wars of attrition, of first degrading the ability of their armies to fight, then defeating their armies and possibly the civilians that support those armies, and *then* you finally get capitulation and that total victory that you're after. But you best pay close attention to *how* you win, too. Win by using too gruesome methods, and that population will hate you for centuries instead of decades.

So : I recommend we hand over the South China Sea to Chinese leadership, and guide Taiwan[1] back into Chinese leadership hands by shifting from that 'ambiguity' doctrine to an 'advocate of self-determination rights' role (which we can also use for the muslims in Xinjang, the people of Hong Kong, and the Tibetans),
and thus allow a peaceful transfer of power to happen, rather than a violent and chaotic military take-over.
The leaders of the entire Taiwanese high tech industry will have plenty of time that way to relocate themselves and their most important staff, which is important for our computer chip dependency here all over the west.

[1] (whose leaders rose up against their fellow Chinese who rule(d) mainland China and then retreated to the island of Taiwan when they lost that war)

Donald mouthed off a lot. He didn’t do a thing to control China. In fact he did the opposite and china thought he was naive and embarrassing. You know, like anyone with a brain would see him

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Where Xi's China is heading | CNN

Imagine, for a moment, what the world looks like to people living in China today — say, to an average couple.

edition.cnn.com

Hi, all.

i saw an article by Fareed Zakaria of CNN-US, about the feared growing dangers posed by Chinese leaders' increasing aggression, arrogance and authoritarianism on the (international) political and diplomatic stages.

since Fareed Zakaria is highly respected among US Democrats, and considering as well that ex-President Trump has also spoken up several times about the same Chinese leadership problem emerging onto the global political stage,
i believe it is now of importance to the western world and most of their allies to take another detailed look at Chinese leadership doctrines, and to formulate a way to collectively counter any actual serious problems that might arise from this new Chinese arrogance.

The Chinese want the rest of the world to believe they're strong and good at the same time, and cultural genocide (Xinjang Muslims in China) is nothing new (the Americans did that with their native Indians for instance, and then decades later allowed that culture to reflourish, and the Australians did the same with the Aboriginals, which also succesfully integrated into Aussie society after a few decades of that treatment, without ever fully losing their own culture), nor is the suppressing of terrorists, uprisings and viral dissidents via methods as harsh as torture and mass imprisonment, all of which can be considered a government's last resort measures to keep the main population of a country safe from a (sometimes-)violent minority.

However, the Chinese are actively expanding their territorial claims. South China Sea, Taiwan, southern islands of Japan, and the covert control measures they put on countries even in Africa and South America via their belt and road initiative and their crime fighting technology that is based primarily on large scale deployment of facial recognition cameras.

Personally, i am of the opinion that the Chinese, Russians, Iranians (who all have limited historical emperial desires), should be allowed a globally accepted place on the world stage, as regional- or super-powers.

If we here in the west, along with our allies like the Japanese and the Aussies allow the Chinese government to control the South China Sea, then yes, they end up with a significant cash advantage from the natural resources (oil & fish primarily) and shipping taxes that can be found there.
And it would not mean that countries like Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia instantly become the lapdogs of the Chinese through pricing extortions based on oil extracted by the Chinese in the South China Sea.
These countries can buy arab oil just as easily.
And fish can be found to the south of the south china sea as well. Only the Vietnamese and the Phillipinos would have to spend just a little more on fuel to get it.

If we choose to enter into any sort of ego competition or economic war with the Chinese, well, that's frankly not up to me.
It's up to our leaders. But i think it's a very serious waste of lives and money.

Even if you manage to draw the Chinese navy and airforce into an ambush in the south china sea and/or Taiwanese strait waters,
you will be left with a post-conflict situation that includes :
- a continuation of a very large civilian cash flow from all over the world into China via the made-in-china doctrine that we've known since the 1970s or so
- a very strong scientific community in China
- a very strong military industrial apparatus in China that can build ships and subs quicker than we can over here in the west
- 1 billion Chinese very strongly pissed off about what you did to their navy.

And you can utterly forget about regime-changing China, their population has been indoctrinated to support their leaders unconditionally for well over a decade now, they have an army at least twice the size of that of the USA, and a population of 1.4 billion spread out over a very huge area.

So if you *do* go down this nasty road of militarily confronting the Chinese leadership, you'll have to isolate them (in terms of moral perception, which yes, can be done via a sustained world wide media campaign) (more than sanction them), and at the same time move the civilian production of goods that's now happening in China to countries like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, and Thailand.
And even then, the Chinese can probably rebuild their navy and airforce at least 2 or 3 times, each time with more advanced weaponry onboard their crafts.

Hitler (who i'm bringing up here ONLY because he had a migthy military machine at the start of WW2) couldn't be defeated without the destruction of his ability to get oil, and (later) the destruction of his factories and homes for his factory workers, either.
ALL wars against empires (and powerful kingdoms, like the Egyptians at the times of the exodus) are wars of attrition, of first degrading the ability of their armies to fight, then defeating their armies and possibly the civilians that support those armies, and *then* you finally get capitulation and that total victory that you're after. But you best pay close attention to *how* you win, too. Win by using too gruesome methods, and that population will hate you for centuries instead of decades.

So : I recommend we hand over the South China Sea to Chinese leadership, and guide Taiwan[1] back into Chinese leadership hands by shifting from that 'ambiguity' doctrine to an 'advocate of self-determination rights' role (which we can also use for the muslims in Xinjang, the people of Hong Kong, and the Tibetans),
and thus allow a peaceful transfer of power to happen, rather than a violent and chaotic military take-over.
The leaders of the entire Taiwanese high tech industry will have plenty of time that way to relocate themselves and their most important staff, which is important for our computer chip dependency here all over the west.

[1] (whose leaders rose up against their fellow Chinese who rule(d) mainland China and then retreated to the island of Taiwan when they lost that war)

Trump couldn’t care less about the rise of authoritarianism – in China or anywhere else.

Indeed, Trump is an advocate of authoritarianism and an enemy of democracy.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The reality is that China, with their assistance from Russia is going to win in the Geo-Political game. I've almost come to acceptance of this after seeing of decades of weak Western leadership and m own countries, creepy decline into the police state we now represent.

I hear/read from people online who have lived there and who downplay Chinas ability to succeed globally. They are blinded by the reality of geo-politics and tunnel vision. There is a certain flippant attitude simply because they lived there and have seen how poorly local government has operated. I believe it is they who have the wool over their eyes even as they believe they are informed.

At the federal level, the CCP have a goal and they are working towards it. A collective ambition to be the lone Super Power and they have had a free pass for a very long time. Their ability to expand, influence and control has improved with ease. Their full throttle, no mercy approach has been working.

Like it or not, many of Americas Western "allies" have largely violated what allowed them to be respected, supporting that of liberty, capitalism and accountable government.

Some, such as Canada (and probably England), have been betraying these principles for decades but America never ensured consequences. Others have shown their spots during this pandemic. Even when citizens take to the streets and demand transparency, they are shut down and media doesn't show it. In Canada we can't even get on a train, a plane and citizens are being Cancelled for their personal health decisions. Does CNN or even Fox report on this reality?

These tactics will have a lasting impact on citizens view of government. In effect, the virus has been a boon to Chinas government as others will now say "how different is our country, really"? A gift to Americas enemies.

When citizens feel that human rights, civil liberties and democratic values are lost, they will simply see China as a similar system that speaks Mandarin instead of English. I know for certain that Canadians are heading to China in record numbers. Why do they feel that more opportunity and liberty is found there than at home?

 

[excalibur]

Donald mouthed off a lot. He didn’t do a thing to control China. In fact he did the opposite and china thought he was naive and embarrassing. You know, like anyone with a brain would see him

You can never tell the truth as this is just more of the lies you post.

But Trump does live rent-free in your head 24/7/365. And in 2024 it will be 24/7/366!

 

[peacefan]

Donald mouthed off a lot. He didn’t do a thing to control China. In fact he did the opposite and china thought he was naive and embarrassing. You know, like anyone with a brain would see him

Trump also put the iranians in breadlines, trying to expand the nuclear deal to include severe limitations on their missile and regional foreign policy programs.

Breadlines | Encyclopedia.com

BREADLINESBreadlines, in which poverty-stricken and hungry Americans queued for free food, were representative of the increasing unemployment and consequent hunger caused by the Depression. Breadlines became common in many cities during the 1930s, and the sheer numbers of homeless and unemployed...

www.encyclopedia.com

Bread Crisis In Iranian Cities; Long Lines, Closed Bakeries, Bread Black Market

A few days after Iranian media reported long lines in Urmia bakeries in northwestern Iran, news sources have reported that the bread shortage has reac

old.iranintl.com

it is a real shame Biden hasn't relaxed sanctions on Iran yet to end these futile attempts to pressure the Iranian government by starving their people.

 

[DudleySmith]

The reality is that China, with their assistance from Russia is going to win in the Geo-Political game. I've almost come to acceptance of this after seeing of decades of weak Western leadership and m own countries, creepy decline into the police state we now represent.

I hear/read from people online who have lived there and who downplay Chinas ability to succeed globally. They are blinded by the reality of geo-politics and tunnel vision. There is a certain flippant attitude simply because they lived there and have seen how poorly local government has operated. I believe it is they who have the wool over their eyes even as they believe they are informed.

At the federal level, the CCP have a goal and they are working towards it. A collective ambition to be the lone Super Power and they have had a free pass for a very long time. Their ability to expand, influence and control has improved with ease. Their full throttle, no mercy approach has been working.

Like it or not, many of Americas Western "allies" have largely violated what allowed them to be respected, supporting that of liberty, capitalism and accountable government.

Some, such as Canada (and probably England), have been betraying these principles for decades but America never ensured consequences. Others have shown their spots during this pandemic. Even when citizens take to the streets and demand transparency, they are shut down and media doesn't show it. In Canada we can't even get on a train, a plane and citizens are being Cancelled for their personal health decisions. Does CNN or even Fox report on this reality?

These tactics will have a lasting impact on citizens view of government. In effect, the virus has been a boon to Chinas government as others will now say "how different is our country, really"? A gift to Americas enemies.

When citizens feel that human rights, civil liberties and democratic values are lost, they will simply see China as a similar system that speaks Mandarin instead of English. I know for certain that Canadians are heading to China in record numbers. Why do they feel that more opportunity and liberty is found there than at home?

Red China is also the new face of corporate capitalism. American businessmen and their politicians have handed Red China America's industrial base and its tax base.

 

[DudleySmith]

Trump also put the iranians in breadlines, trying to expand the nuclear deal to include severe limitations on their missile and regional foreign policy programs.

Breadlines | Encyclopedia.com

BREADLINESBreadlines, in which poverty-stricken and hungry Americans queued for free food, were representative of the increasing unemployment and consequent hunger caused by the Depression. Breadlines became common in many cities during the 1930s, and the sheer numbers of homeless and unemployed...

www.encyclopedia.com

Bread Crisis In Iranian Cities; Long Lines, Closed Bakeries, Bread Black Market

A few days after Iranian media reported long lines in Urmia bakeries in northwestern Iran, news sources have reported that the bread shortage has reac

old.iranintl.com

it is a real shame Biden hasn't relaxed sanctions on Iran yet to end these futile attempts to pressure the Iranian government by starving their people.

^^^Lame troll post and example of why the 'CDZ' is a joke forum.

 

[peacefan]

Red China is also the new face of corporate capitalism. American businessmen and their politicians have handed Red China America's industrial base and its tax base.

we really ought to move that industrial base back to the US, EU, UK, *and* into new countries like the Philippines and Indonesia and Cambodia.

 

[peacefan]

^^^Lame troll post and example of why the 'CDZ' is a joke forum.

can't handle it when people point out your leaders' mistakes eh?
well, get used to it.
this is an open discussion forum, and those mistakes are hurting the innocent far more than is necessary at the moment.

 

[DudleySmith]

can't handle it when people point out your leaders' mistakes eh?
well, get used to it.
this is an open discussion forum, and those mistakes are hurting the innocent far more than is necessary at the moment.

^^^^ See post #8.

 

[Mac-7]

Where Xi's China is heading | CNN

Imagine, for a moment, what the world looks like to people living in China today — say, to an average couple.

edition.cnn.com

Hi, all.

i saw an article by Fareed Zakaria of CNN-US, about the feared growing dangers posed by Chinese leaders' increasing aggression, arrogance and authoritarianism on the (international) political and diplomatic stages.

since Fareed Zakaria is highly respected among US Democrats, and considering as well that ex-President Trump has also spoken up several times about the same Chinese leadership problem emerging onto the global political stage,
i believe it is now of importance to the western world and most of their allies to take another detailed look at Chinese leadership doctrines, and to formulate a way to collectively counter any actual serious problems that might arise from this new Chinese arrogance.

The Chinese want the rest of the world to believe they're strong and good at the same time, and cultural genocide (Xinjang Muslims in China) is nothing new (the Americans did that with their native Indians for instance, and then decades later allowed that culture to reflourish, and the Australians did the same with the Aboriginals, which also succesfully integrated into Aussie society after a few decades of that treatment, without ever fully losing their own culture), nor is the suppressing of terrorists, uprisings and viral dissidents via methods as harsh as torture and mass imprisonment, all of which can be considered a government's last resort measures to keep the main population of a country safe from a (sometimes-)violent minority.

However, the Chinese are actively expanding their territorial claims. South China Sea, Taiwan, southern islands of Japan, and the covert control measures they put on countries even in Africa and South America via their belt and road initiative and their crime fighting technology that is based primarily on large scale deployment of facial recognition cameras.

Personally, i am of the opinion that the Chinese, Russians, Iranians (who all have limited historical emperial desires), should be allowed a globally accepted place on the world stage, as regional- or super-powers.

If we here in the west, along with our allies like the Japanese and the Aussies allow the Chinese government to control the South China Sea, then yes, they end up with a significant cash advantage from the natural resources (oil & fish primarily) and shipping taxes that can be found there.
And it would not mean that countries like Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia instantly become the lapdogs of the Chinese through pricing extortions based on oil extracted by the Chinese in the South China Sea.
These countries can buy arab oil just as easily.
And fish can be found to the south of the south china sea as well. Only the Vietnamese and the Phillipinos would have to spend just a little more on fuel to get it.

If we choose to enter into any sort of ego competition or economic war with the Chinese, well, that's frankly not up to me.
It's up to our leaders. But i think it's a very serious waste of lives and money.

Even if you manage to draw the Chinese navy and airforce into an ambush in the south china sea and/or Taiwanese strait waters,
you will be left with a post-conflict situation that includes :
- a continuation of a very large civilian cash flow from all over the world into China via the made-in-china doctrine that we've known since the 1970s or so
- a very strong scientific community in China
- a very strong military industrial apparatus in China that can build ships and subs quicker than we can over here in the west
- 1 billion Chinese very strongly pissed off about what you did to their navy.

And you can utterly forget about regime-changing China, their population has been indoctrinated to support their leaders unconditionally for well over a decade now, they have an army at least twice the size of that of the USA, and a population of 1.4 billion spread out over a very huge area.

So if you *do* go down this nasty road of militarily confronting the Chinese leadership, you'll have to isolate them (in terms of moral perception, which yes, can be done via a sustained world wide media campaign) (more than sanction them), and at the same time move the civilian production of goods that's now happening in China to countries like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, and Thailand.
And even then, the Chinese can probably rebuild their navy and airforce at least 2 or 3 times, each time with more advanced weaponry onboard their crafts.

Hitler (who i'm bringing up here ONLY because he had a migthy military machine at the start of WW2) couldn't be defeated without the destruction of his ability to get oil, and (later) the destruction of his factories and homes for his factory workers, either.
ALL wars against empires (and powerful kingdoms, like the Egyptians at the times of the exodus) are wars of attrition, of first degrading the ability of their armies to fight, then defeating their armies and possibly the civilians that support those armies, and *then* you finally get capitulation and that total victory that you're after. But you best pay close attention to *how* you win, too. Win by using too gruesome methods, and that population will hate you for centuries instead of decades.

So : I recommend we hand over the South China Sea to Chinese leadership, and guide Taiwan[1] back into Chinese leadership hands by shifting from that 'ambiguity' doctrine to an 'advocate of self-determination rights' role (which we can also use for the muslims in Xinjang, the people of Hong Kong, and the Tibetans),
and thus allow a peaceful transfer of power to happen, rather than a violent and chaotic military take-over.
The leaders of the entire Taiwanese high tech industry will have plenty of time that way to relocate themselves and their most important staff, which is important for our computer chip dependency here all over the west.

[1] (whose leaders rose up against their fellow Chinese who rule(d) mainland China and then retreated to the island of Taiwan when they lost that war)

You said the magic words for knee jerk trump haters such as jillian and C_Clayton_Jones

If he’s “agin” chinese aggression then they are “fer” it

Otherwise with one glaring exception - giving taiwan and the south china sea to china - your post is excellent

 

[Mac-7]

Btw: the best and perhaps only way to avoid war with china is to confront them with a united wall of military and economic strength comprised of all the free nations of the world

 

[Ivan88]

USA sabotaged Chang Kai Shek and helped Mao & his Communists.
USA Is the worlds most terroristic nation, conducting terrorist wars against milions of people for over 100 years. Even this Covid fraud-demic is designed to kill millions of people as per the Georgia Guide Stones erected by the Richdudes calling for world population to be reduced to 500 million.
Xi is a nationalist building China for Chinese, and over all, He has been been a peace maker. America is under Divine Judgement and Punishment where those who hate you rule over you, (Leviticus 26:17) and your walls, watchtowers and hedges are broken down with the King of kings waving a flag to other nations to come plunder America. (Isaiah 5)

 

[Ivan88]

Where Xi's China is heading | CNN

Imagine, for a moment, what the world looks like to people living in China today — say, to an average couple.

edition.cnn.com

Hi, all.

i saw an article by Fareed Zakaria of CNN-US, about the feared growing dangers posed by Chinese leaders' increasing aggression, arrogance and authoritarianism on the (international) political and diplomatic stages.
etc......................................
and thus allow a peaceful transfer of power to happen, rather than a violent and chaotic military take-over.
The leaders of the entire Taiwanese high tech industry will have plenty of time that way to relocate themselves and their most important staff, which is important for our computer chip dependency here all over the west.

[1] (whose leaders rose up against their fellow Chinese who rule(d) mainland China and then retreated to the island of Taiwan when they lost that war)

Mainland China was a nation with Chang Kai Shek as the top Man. USA only pretended to honor Him while USA was busy sabotaging Chang and secretly aiding Mao's Communist plans.

In essence, USA gave China to the Communists of Edomite Mao.

 

[badger2]

Xi is doing an opportunist blm imitation.

 

[sealybobo]

Donald mouthed off a lot. He didn’t do a thing to control China. In fact he did the opposite and china thought he was naive and embarrassing. You know, like anyone with a brain would see him

Is he telling us that Trump is warning us about Authoritarian leaders?

New book claims Trump suggested shooting protesters 'in the legs or something'​

 

[sartre play]

Where Xi's China is heading | CNN

Imagine, for a moment, what the world looks like to people living in China today — say, to an average couple.

edition.cnn.com

Hi, all.

i saw an article by Fareed Zakaria of CNN-US, about the feared growing dangers posed by Chinese leaders' increasing aggression, arrogance and authoritarianism on the (international) political and diplomatic stages.

since Fareed Zakaria is highly respected among US Democrats, and considering as well that ex-President Trump has also spoken up several times about the same Chinese leadership problem emerging onto the global political stage,
i believe it is now of importance to the western world and most of their allies to take another detailed look at Chinese leadership doctrines, and to formulate a way to collectively counter any actual serious problems that might arise from this new Chinese arrogance.

The Chinese want the rest of the world to believe they're strong and good at the same time, and cultural genocide (Xinjang Muslims in China) is nothing new (the Americans did that with their native Indians for instance, and then decades later allowed that culture to reflourish, and the Australians did the same with the Aboriginals, which also succesfully integrated into Aussie society after a few decades of that treatment, without ever fully losing their own culture), nor is the suppressing of terrorists, uprisings and viral dissidents via methods as harsh as torture and mass imprisonment, all of which can be considered a government's last resort measures to keep the main population of a country safe from a (sometimes-)violent minority.

However, the Chinese are actively expanding their territorial claims. South China Sea, Taiwan, southern islands of Japan, and the covert control measures they put on countries even in Africa and South America via their belt and road initiative and their crime fighting technology that is based primarily on large scale deployment of facial recognition cameras.

Personally, i am of the opinion that the Chinese, Russians, Iranians (who all have limited historical emperial desires), should be allowed a globally accepted place on the world stage, as regional- or super-powers.

If we here in the west, along with our allies like the Japanese and the Aussies allow the Chinese government to control the South China Sea, then yes, they end up with a significant cash advantage from the natural resources (oil & fish primarily) and shipping taxes that can be found there.
And it would not mean that countries like Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia instantly become the lapdogs of the Chinese through pricing extortions based on oil extracted by the Chinese in the South China Sea.
These countries can buy arab oil just as easily.
And fish can be found to the south of the south china sea as well. Only the Vietnamese and the Phillipinos would have to spend just a little more on fuel to get it.

If we choose to enter into any sort of ego competition or economic war with the Chinese, well, that's frankly not up to me.
It's up to our leaders. But i think it's a very serious waste of lives and money.

Even if you manage to draw the Chinese navy and airforce into an ambush in the south china sea and/or Taiwanese strait waters,
you will be left with a post-conflict situation that includes :
- a continuation of a very large civilian cash flow from all over the world into China via the made-in-china doctrine that we've known since the 1970s or so
- a very strong scientific community in China
- a very strong military industrial apparatus in China that can build ships and subs quicker than we can over here in the west
- 1 billion Chinese very strongly pissed off about what you did to their navy.

And you can utterly forget about regime-changing China, their population has been indoctrinated to support their leaders unconditionally for well over a decade now, they have an army at least twice the size of that of the USA, and a population of 1.4 billion spread out over a very huge area.

So if you *do* go down this nasty road of militarily confronting the Chinese leadership, you'll have to isolate them (in terms of moral perception, which yes, can be done via a sustained world wide media campaign) (more than sanction them), and at the same time move the civilian production of goods that's now happening in China to countries like India, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, and Thailand.
And even then, the Chinese can probably rebuild their navy and airforce at least 2 or 3 times, each time with more advanced weaponry onboard their crafts.

Hitler (who i'm bringing up here ONLY because he had a migthy military machine at the start of WW2) couldn't be defeated without the destruction of his ability to get oil, and (later) the destruction of his factories and homes for his factory workers, either.
ALL wars against empires (and powerful kingdoms, like the Egyptians at the times of the exodus) are wars of attrition, of first degrading the ability of their armies to fight, then defeating their armies and possibly the civilians that support those armies, and *then* you finally get capitulation and that total victory that you're after. But you best pay close attention to *how* you win, too. Win by using too gruesome methods, and that population will hate you for centuries instead of decades.

So : I recommend we hand over the South China Sea to Chinese leadership, and guide Taiwan[1] back into Chinese leadership hands by shifting from that 'ambiguity' doctrine to an 'advocate of self-determination rights' role (which we can also use for the muslims in Xinjang, the people of Hong Kong, and the Tibetans),
and thus allow a peaceful transfer of power to happen, rather than a violent and chaotic military take-over.
The leaders of the entire Taiwanese high tech industry will have plenty of time that way to relocate themselves and their most important staff, which is important for our computer chip dependency here all over the west.

[1] (whose leaders rose up against their fellow Chinese who rule(d) mainland China and then retreated to the island of Taiwan when they lost that war)

NO NO NO