Faith killing exercise?

[anotherlife]

There are many devices to kill faith and replace it with another. For example, in the 1984 book, they tell the prisoner that they will tear him down squeeze him empty then rebuild him in their own image. For another example, the Muslim Qur'an says to wait 4 month before killing the non Muslim to give him time to change faith. Then you can also simply hypnotize people to change faith if you are a cult.

So, why are we so surprised, that faith is out of fashion in the 21st century?

In fact, even the church itself teaches, that we need to pray for the hours when we are not conscious such as when we sleep, or dying, or in the trance of a demonic attack.

So, given that faith derives itself from our knowing what is analytically logical and just, how do we maintain faith when we don't know?

 

[Meriweather]

So, given that faith derives itself from our knowing what is analytically logical and just, how do we maintain faith when we don't know?

I am unclear on the point you wish to make. However, what this question brought to mind is Thomas Aquinas' view of faith. He said our act of faith is based in knowledge and reason in the pursuit of truth. Our inquiry into faith is two fold: The first is that which is possible for human reasoning; the second surpasses the ability of human reasoning.

A possible analogy in the physical universe. The universe is so vast that we can only see and have access to a mere quarter of it. Human reasoning can ascertain possibilities of the other three-quarters, but we accept all knowledge of it is beyond us. The same with faith. Reasoning only takes us a fraction of the way; from there we can ascertain further possibilities, but we cannot know all.

Atheist and believers alike seem to be able to maintain faith in the universe when we can only be aware of one-quarter of it; in the same way we can maintain faith with the little we do know about God while in pursuit of spiritual knowledge through reason.

 

[anotherlife]

So, given that faith derives itself from our knowing what is analytically logical and just, how do we maintain faith when we don't know?

I am unclear on the point you wish to make. However, what this question brought to mind is Thomas Aquinas' view of faith. He said our act of faith is based in knowledge and reason in the pursuit of truth. Our inquiry into faith is two fold: The first is that which is possible for human reasoning; the second surpasses the ability of human reasoning.

A possible analogy in the physical universe. The universe is so vast that we can only see and have access to a mere quarter of it. Human reasoning can ascertain possibilities of the other three-quarters, but we accept all knowledge of it is beyond us. The same with faith. Reasoning only takes us a fraction of the way; from there we can ascertain further possibilities, but we cannot know all.

Atheist and believers alike seem to be able to maintain faith in the universe when we can only be aware of one-quarter of it; in the same way we can maintain faith with the little we do know about God while in pursuit of spiritual knowledge through reason.

I agree with this but it seems to leave the door open to a gap of purpose. The purpose of faith is supposed to be the salvation of the soul not the spirit. This is because it is the soul that can be lost, not the spirit. So if even St Thomas Aquinas drives faith with reason, then the soul is unprotected by faith. This is because the soul has only emotional sensual and will related functionality, no logic. Logic and reason is in the spirit. So we are at a loss then. I am surprised that St Thomas Aquinas puts us into a loss.

 

[emilynghiem]

There are many devices to kill faith and replace it with another. For example, in the 1984 book, they tell the prisoner that they will tear him down squeeze him empty then rebuild him in their own image. For another example, the Muslim Qur'an says to wait 4 month before killing the non Muslim to give him time to change faith. Then you can also simply hypnotize people to change faith if you are a cult.

So, why are we so surprised, that faith is out of fashion in the 21st century?

In fact, even the church itself teaches, that we need to pray for the hours when we are not conscious such as when we sleep, or dying, or in the trance of a demonic attack.

So, given that faith derives itself from our knowing what is analytically logical and just, how do we maintain faith when we don't know?

Dear anotherlife
Most people take the path of least resistance.
You stick to what works best at any given time.

If any input, influences or options change, then people weigh the amount of trouble and work it takes to make each change. Versus defending the status quo for convenience. Is it worth it to make that change?

It isn't just a question of faith and how do we know which way is true or right.

The variables and factors stacked on top are the real determining motives.

We see this in criminal coverups. Where the truth is one thing, but the inconvenience and trouble involved is commonly the stronger factor in determining the establishment or reconciliation of truth.

If it's too much trouble, the changes may be denied or postponed in order to focus on other priorities instead deemed more immediate or pressing.