Factcheck.org: increasing health care costs not because of ObamaCare

[Billy000]

Obama?s Numbers (January 2014 Update)

This increase is modest by historical standards.

Other bonuses about changes since Obama took office from this report:

1) 3,246,000 net gain of private sector jobs since Obama took office. 2.5x more jobs in 5 year than in Bush's 8.

2) The unemployment rate in December was 6.7%. Lowest in 5 years.

3) "discouraged workers" is hardly the only reason for the low participation in the workforce. The other major factors are retirees and more disabled workers. Also the declining participation rate started before Obama took office.

4) All energy industries, including Big Oil, are booming.

Some negatives:

1) Public debt has risen greatly.

2) state and local jobs are declining. However federal jobs have increased.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama?s Numbers (January 2014 Update)

This increase is modest by historical standards.

According to your article:

But there’s scant evidence that the Affordable Care Act is causing the slowdown. The government economists and statisticians who track the spending said the law’s impact has been “minimal.”

The only reason for the slowdown, if there is one, is the poor economy. However, we all know that "factcheck.org" is a leftwing funded propaganda mill, so you can take anything it publishes with a big grain of salt.

 

[Billy000]

Obama?s Numbers (January 2014 Update)

This increase is modest by historical standards.

According to your article:

But there’s scant evidence that the Affordable Care Act is causing the slowdown. The government economists and statisticians who track the spending said the law’s impact has been “minimal.”

The only reason for the slowdown, if there is one, is the poor economy. However, we all know that "factcheck.org" is a leftwing funded propaganda mill, so you can take anything it publishes with a big grain of salt.

If you think it is distorting the truth, then prove it. Calling it biased is useless without proof.

 

[Edgetho]

Obama?s Numbers (January 2014 Update)

This increase is modest by historical standards.

According to your article:

But there’s scant evidence that the Affordable Care Act is causing the slowdown. The government economists and statisticians who track the spending said the law’s impact has been “minimal.”

The only reason for the slowdown, if there is one, is the poor economy. However, we all know that "factcheck.org" is a leftwing funded propaganda mill, so you can take anything it publishes with a big grain of salt.

If you think it is distorting the truth, then prove it. Calling it biased is useless without proof.

Annenberg himself was a somewhat decent human being, a Republican who started the Annenberg Foundation.

But as often happens with these endowments, the whole kit and kaboodle was hijacked by liberal scum.

Annenberg is the same people who funded Bill Ayers and hussein obama in Chicago years ago.

They're a left wing project, through and through. Completely, utterly and totally left wing to the point of being a socialist front group...

Factcheck.org--anything but factual - National Conservative | Examiner.com

"Barack Obama and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers have worked closely together on education reform since 1995, and possibly since 1987. Obama has obfuscated and minimized this association in his public statements and on his website. Why the cover-up? We don’t know, since we aren’t sure what is being concealed.

"It’s becoming known as the Annenberg Challenge cover-up and it’s become big news since the McCain campaign highlighted it in a press release late Wednesday."

Here are the facts, then, about Factcheck.org:

1. The Annenberg Foundation gave money to fund Factcheck at the University of Pennsylvania.

2. The Annenberg Foundation gave money to domestic terrorist Bill Ayers to start the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

3. Ayers recruited Obama to chair the newly funded Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which doled out multi-millions of dollars per year in grants to various causes and organizations. Obama served as Chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 1999.

4. One of the organizations to which the Chicago Annenberg Challenge gave millions of dollars was ACORN.

5. Factcheck was specifically chosen by Obama to run interference for him in the Presidential eligibility controversy.

As this report notes,

"Factcheck.org is part and parcel of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of whether Obama’s birth certificate, which purportedly proves he’s a citizen of the United States, is authentic.

 

[Politico]

Obama?s Numbers (January 2014 Update)

This increase is modest by historical standards.

According to your article:

But there’s scant evidence that the Affordable Care Act is causing the slowdown. The government economists and statisticians who track the spending said the law’s impact has been “minimal.”

The only reason for the slowdown, if there is one, is the poor economy. However, we all know that "factcheck.org" is a leftwing funded propaganda mill, so you can take anything it publishes with a big grain of salt.

If you think it is distorting the truth, then prove it. Calling it biased is useless without proof.

Prove it? Everyone knows what factcheck is. And you can't verify something that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Billy000]

According to your article:



The only reason for the slowdown, if there is one, is the poor economy. However, we all know that "factcheck.org" is a leftwing funded propaganda mill, so you can take anything it publishes with a big grain of salt.

If you think it is distorting the truth, then prove it. Calling it biased is useless without proof.

Annenberg himself was a somewhat decent human being, a Republican who started the Annenberg Foundation.

But as often happens with these endowments, the whole kit and kaboodle was hijacked by liberal scum.

Annenberg is the same people who funded Bill Ayers and hussein obama in Chicago years ago.

They're a left wing project, through and through. Completely, utterly and totally left wing to the point of being a socialist front group...

Factcheck.org--anything but factual - National Conservative | Examiner.com

"Barack Obama and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers have worked closely together on education reform since 1995, and possibly since 1987. Obama has obfuscated and minimized this association in his public statements and on his website. Why the cover-up? We don’t know, since we aren’t sure what is being concealed.

"It’s becoming known as the Annenberg Challenge cover-up and it’s become big news since the McCain campaign highlighted it in a press release late Wednesday."

Here are the facts, then, about Factcheck.org:

1. The Annenberg Foundation gave money to fund Factcheck at the University of Pennsylvania.

2. The Annenberg Foundation gave money to domestic terrorist Bill Ayers to start the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

3. Ayers recruited Obama to chair the newly funded Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which doled out multi-millions of dollars per year in grants to various causes and organizations. Obama served as Chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 1999.

4. One of the organizations to which the Chicago Annenberg Challenge gave millions of dollars was ACORN.

5. Factcheck was specifically chosen by Obama to run interference for him in the Presidential eligibility controversy.

As this report notes,

"Factcheck.org is part and parcel of the Annenberg Foundation. Factcheck was also chosen by the Obama campaign as the arbitrar of whether Obama’s birth certificate, which purportedly proves he’s a citizen of the United States, is authentic.

I am asking for proof the OP info is distorted. Don't be dumb about this. That site has criticized Obama many times before

 

[Kosh]

So the far left is once again posting far left propaganda and wanting others to prove them wrong.

So much for critical thinking in the far left ranks.

 

[mudwhistle]

So the law went from being able to lower health care costs to not being the primary cause of rising health care costs.

This is the way with every Democrat program. They tell us a story about how great it is, then they spend the rest of the time making excuses for it after it's implemented.

This is fraud folks, plain and simple.

 

[Stephanie]

So the far left is once again posting far left propaganda and wanting others to prove them wrong.

So much for critical thinking in the far left ranks.

that's their little games
Like Factcheck is the be all to end all as the truth

 

[Billy000]

So the law went from being able to lower health care costs to not being the primary cause of rising health care costs.

This is the way with every Democrat program. They tell us a story about how great it is, then they spend the rest of the time making excuses for it after it's implemented.

This is fraud folks, plain and simple.

How is this fraud? You can't even answer that question.

 

[mudwhistle]

So the law went from being able to lower health care costs to not being the primary cause of rising health care costs.

This is the way with every Democrat program. They tell us a story about how great it is, then they spend the rest of the time making excuses for it after it's implemented.

This is fraud folks, plain and simple.

How is this fraud? You can't even answer that question.

Fraud is easy to look up.

fraud
[frawd] Show IPA
noun
1.
deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2.
a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3.
any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4.
a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

 

[Billy000]

So the law went from being able to lower health care costs to not being the primary cause of rising health care costs.

This is the way with every Democrat program. They tell us a story about how great it is, then they spend the rest of the time making excuses for it after it's implemented.

This is fraud folks, plain and simple.

How is this fraud? You can't even answer that question.

Fraud is easy to look up.

fraud
[frawd] Show IPA
noun
1.
deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2.
a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3.
any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4.
a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

Yes and you can't explain what makes my OP fraudulent.

 

[mudwhistle]

How is this fraud? You can't even answer that question.

Fraud is easy to look up.

fraud
[frawd] Show IPA
noun
1.
deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2.
a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3.
any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4.
a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

Yes and you can't explain what makes my OP fraudulent.

We weren't talking about your OP.

But if you want to, your OP tries to paint a picture that is false. Primarily because it is based on fraudulent claims from the Obama Administration. It doesn't tell the real story. For example, how can unemployment be 6.7% when the number of people not working went up? Experts say the actual unemployment figures are being suppressed. 5 times as many people gave up looking for work than got jobs last month.

 

[Theowl32]

Are liberals trying to claim Obama did not lie his ass off in regards to "affordable health care?"

YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN!!!

That is all a liberal ever needs to know.

It is a disaster. What many do not know is it is not a mistake on the part of king Obama. It is a single payer trojan horse. It is the desire held by the community organizer who is a Saul Alinsky disciple. He has been surrounded and educated in communist/socialist styles of government his entire pathetic life.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

The check pants establishment republicans are pretty much in on it as well.

The puppet behind it all is Soros and his money. It ought to give conservatives shivers when you see Mccain hanging out with Soros.

Why do you think the republicans gerrymandered Allen West out of office? It was not the democraps that did that. Why do you think the check pants republicans are speaking out against Cruz and the Tea Party?

It is a sad world, and those of us that see the people's power and liberty being stripped away from these poisonous traitors are pissing in the wind. It is too bad that the moronic liberals that always think they are so smart, do not know they are being used as pawns and complicate in destroying the annoying middle class to these pathetic politicians.

 

[Billy000]

Fraud is easy to look up.

Yes and you can't explain what makes my OP fraudulent.

We weren't talking about your OP.

But if you want to, your OP tries to paint a picture that is false. Primarily because it is based on fraudulent claims from the Obama Administration. It doesn't tell the real story. For example, how can unemployment be 6.7% when the number of people not working went up? Experts say the actual unemployment figures are being suppressed. 5 times as many people gave up looking for work than got jobs last month.

Well gee maybe you if you actually read the thread, you would know that the economy has added over 3 million new private jobs since he came into office.

You got nothing. You can't explain what makes it fraudulent so see your way out.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes and you can't explain what makes my OP fraudulent.

We weren't talking about your OP.

But if you want to, your OP tries to paint a picture that is false. Primarily because it is based on fraudulent claims from the Obama Administration. It doesn't tell the real story. For example, how can unemployment be 6.7% when the number of people not working went up? Experts say the actual unemployment figures are being suppressed. 5 times as many people gave up looking for work than got jobs last month.

Well gee maybe you if you actually read the thread, you would know that the economy has added over 3 million new private jobs since he came into office.

You got nothing. You can't explain what makes it fraudulent so see your way out.

I got plenty.

If you lost more than you gain that means you have a net loss.


During the Bush Administration we actually gained 6 million new jobs. But Democrats put a spin on it. They claimed that all of those jobs were entry-level jobs that paid lower. Now, that's not even a consideration because any job is good enough for Democrats. Even part-time jobs are counted as full-time.

 

[Billy000]

We weren't talking about your OP.

But if you want to, your OP tries to paint a picture that is false. Primarily because it is based on fraudulent claims from the Obama Administration. It doesn't tell the real story. For example, how can unemployment be 6.7% when the number of people not working went up? Experts say the actual unemployment figures are being suppressed. 5 times as many people gave up looking for work than got jobs last month.

Well gee maybe you if you actually read the thread, you would know that the economy has added over 3 million new private jobs since he came into office.

You got nothing. You can't explain what makes it fraudulent so see your way out.

I got plenty.

If you lost more than you gain that means you have a net loss.


During the Bush Administration we actually gained 6 million new jobs. But Democrats put a spin on it. They claimed that all of those jobs were entry-level jobs that paid lower. Now, that's not even a consideration because any job is good enough for Democrats. Even part-time jobs are counted as full-time.

Your ignorance is astounding. You can't compare the number of people in the work force from the beginning of his term to the number at the end. That isn't how you measure net job gain. Any economist will tell you that. The reality is that job growth under bush was pathetic.

 

[bripat9643]

Well gee maybe you if you actually read the thread, you would know that the economy has added over 3 million new private jobs since he came into office.

You got nothing. You can't explain what makes it fraudulent so see your way out.

I got plenty.

If you lost more than you gain that means you have a net loss.


During the Bush Administration we actually gained 6 million new jobs. But Democrats put a spin on it. They claimed that all of those jobs were entry-level jobs that paid lower. Now, that's not even a consideration because any job is good enough for Democrats. Even part-time jobs are counted as full-time.

Your ignorance is astounding. You can't compare the number of people in the work force from the beginning of his term to the number at the end. That isn't how you measure net job gain. Any economist will tell you that. The reality is that job growth under bush was pathetic.

So how do you measure net job gain? I'm wondering how Obama can possibly come out ahead any way you measure it.

 

[Billy000]

I got plenty.

If you lost more than you gain that means you have a net loss.


During the Bush Administration we actually gained 6 million new jobs. But Democrats put a spin on it. They claimed that all of those jobs were entry-level jobs that paid lower. Now, that's not even a consideration because any job is good enough for Democrats. Even part-time jobs are counted as full-time.

Your ignorance is astounding. You can't compare the number of people in the work force from the beginning of his term to the number at the end. That isn't how you measure net job gain. Any economist will tell you that. The reality is that job growth under bush was pathetic.

So how do you measure net job gain? I'm wondering how Obama can possibly come out ahead any way you measure it.

Do me a favor and google "more new jobs under Obama than Bush" and see how many links you find that back up my claims.

Any bullshit coming from Fox News or Forbes doesn't count. Non partisan sources.

 

[P@triot]

Obama?s Numbers (January 2014 Update)

This increase is modest by historical standards.

Other bonuses about changes since Obama took office from this report:

1) 3,246,000 net gain of private sector jobs since Obama took office. 2.5x more jobs in 5 year than in Bush's 8.

2) The unemployment rate in December was 6.7%. Lowest in 5 years.

3) "discouraged workers" is hardly the only reason for the low participation in the workforce. The other major factors are retirees and more disabled workers. Also the declining participation rate started before Obama took office.

4) All energy industries, including Big Oil, are booming.

Some negatives:

1) Public debt has risen greatly.

2) state and local jobs are declining. However federal jobs have increased.

Obama "guaranteed" that Obamacare would lower healthcare costs. So it has been a spectacular failure.

Rather than admit that, your weak-ass attempt at spin is to ignore how it hasn't lowered costs, but instead to declare that it's not the reason for the rising costs?

Dude, for the sake of argument, lets say you're right and Obamacare isn't the cause of the skyrocketing costs (even though every last damn human in the galaxy knows it is - including Obama himself who is laughing at you useful idiots), at best this means that Obamacare is a catastrophic failure and Obama is a liar.

Man [MENTION=33739]Billy000[/MENTION], that's some "case" you make there for Obamacare...