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F U Conservatives, the healthcare "reform" IS Contitutional !!

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It's under the "good and welfare" clause you fucking dopes !

John Conyers (D), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee surely knows a lot more about the Constitution than you assholes.....


CNSNews.com - House Judiciary Chairman Says Constitution's Non-Existent ?Good and Welfare Clause? Authorizes Congress to Force Americans to Buy Health Insurance



During an interview Capitol Hill Friday, CNSNews.com asked Rep. Conyers, “The individual mandate in the bill requires individuals to purchase health insurance. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has said that never before in the history of the United States has the federal government required any one to purchase any good or service. What part of the Constitution do you think gives Congress the authority to mandate individuals to purchase health insurance?”

Conyers said: “Under several clauses, the good and welfare clause and a couple others. All the scholars, the constitutional scholars that I know -- I’m chairman of the Judiciary committee, as you know -- they all say that there’s nothing unconstitutional in this bill and if there were, I would have tried to correct it if I thought there were.”


This is from a stand up guy who has NEVER been involved in anything shady either.......:eusa_whistle:
 

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Or perhaps he perverts the constitution to fit those clauses to his views.
 

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Or perhaps he perverts the constitution to fit those clauses to his views.


He's lying or he's a moron ? .....

For someone who would take the word of this one man, who seems to side with the passage of this illegal Health Care Reform Bill, you got a lot of nerve calling someone a liar or a moron. :lol:
 
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It's under the "good and welfare" clause you fucking dopes !

John Conyers (D), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee surely knows a lot more about the Constitution than you assholes.....


CNSNews.com - House Judiciary Chairman Says Constitution's Non-Existent ?Good and Welfare Clause? Authorizes Congress to Force Americans to Buy Health Insurance



During an interview Capitol Hill Friday, CNSNews.com asked Rep. Conyers, “The individual mandate in the bill requires individuals to purchase health insurance. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has said that never before in the history of the United States has the federal government required any one to purchase any good or service. What part of the Constitution do you think gives Congress the authority to mandate individuals to purchase health insurance?”

Conyers said: “Under several clauses, the good and welfare clause and a couple others. All the scholars, the constitutional scholars that I know -- I’m chairman of the Judiciary committee, as you know -- they all say that there’s nothing unconstitutional in this bill and if there were, I would have tried to correct it if I thought there were.”


This is from a stand up guy who has NEVER been involved in anything shady either.......:eusa_whistle:

I don't care if he has or hasn't. He's still a bullshitting, mouthbreathing ass clown if he really believes that. For one thing, there really IS no such thing as a "good and welfare clause" in the Constitution. The phrase is "general welfare", so I'm very skeptical of any assurance of Constitutionality coming from someone who can't even quote the document correctly.

Furthermore, a section of writing intended to provide a reason for the preceding clauses is not, in and of itself, a set of marching orders. If the Founding Fathers had intended that spiel about "general welfare" to be taken as an all-inclusive "do whatever the hell you think is a good idea" instruction, why did they bother wasting all that time and those words delineating the specific powers of the Congress, and later the other two branches of government? What's the point of saying, "Congress has the power to do this, and this, and this, and then whatever else it feels like at the moment"?
 

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It's under the "good and welfare" clause you fucking dopes !

John Conyers (D), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee surely knows a lot more about the Constitution than you assholes.....


CNSNews.com - House Judiciary Chairman Says Constitution's Non-Existent ?Good and Welfare Clause? Authorizes Congress to Force Americans to Buy Health Insurance



During an interview Capitol Hill Friday, CNSNews.com asked Rep. Conyers, “The individual mandate in the bill requires individuals to purchase health insurance. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has said that never before in the history of the United States has the federal government required any one to purchase any good or service. What part of the Constitution do you think gives Congress the authority to mandate individuals to purchase health insurance?”

Conyers said: “Under several clauses, the good and welfare clause and a couple others. All the scholars, the constitutional scholars that I know -- I’m chairman of the Judiciary committee, as you know -- they all say that there’s nothing unconstitutional in this bill and if there were, I would have tried to correct it if I thought there were.”


This is from a stand up guy who has NEVER been involved in anything shady either.......:eusa_whistle:

I don't care if he has or hasn't. He's still a bullshitting, mouthbreathing ass clown if he really believes that. For one thing, there really IS no such thing as a "good and welfare clause" in the Constitution. The phrase is "general welfare", so I'm very skeptical of any assurance of Constitutionality coming from someone who can't even quote the document correctly.

Furthermore, a section of writing intended to provide a reason for the preceding clauses is not, in and of itself, a set of marching orders. If the Founding Fathers had intended that spiel about "general welfare" to be taken as an all-inclusive "do whatever the hell you think is a good idea" instruction, why did they bother wasting all that time and those words delineating the specific powers of the Congress, and later the other two branches of government? What's the point of saying, "Congress has the power to do this, and this, and this, and then whatever else it feels like at the moment"?

That is my thought as well but if you look closely at that particular line it says general welfare of the United States which I think refers to the government of the United States which includes all powers it has. This was pointed out to me in another blog and I thought it was an interesting point.
 

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It's under the "good and welfare" clause you fucking dopes !

John Conyers (D), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee surely knows a lot more about the Constitution than you assholes.....


CNSNews.com - House Judiciary Chairman Says Constitution's Non-Existent ?Good and Welfare Clause? Authorizes Congress to Force Americans to Buy Health Insurance



During an interview Capitol Hill Friday, CNSNews.com asked Rep. Conyers, “The individual mandate in the bill requires individuals to purchase health insurance. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has said that never before in the history of the United States has the federal government required any one to purchase any good or service. What part of the Constitution do you think gives Congress the authority to mandate individuals to purchase health insurance?”

Conyers said: “Under several clauses, the good and welfare clause and a couple others. All the scholars, the constitutional scholars that I know -- I’m chairman of the Judiciary committee, as you know -- they all say that there’s nothing unconstitutional in this bill and if there were, I would have tried to correct it if I thought there were.”


This is from a stand up guy who has NEVER been involved in anything shady either.......:eusa_whistle:

I don't care if he has or hasn't. He's still a bullshitting, mouthbreathing ass clown if he really believes that. For one thing, there really IS no such thing as a "good and welfare clause" in the Constitution. The phrase is "general welfare", so I'm very skeptical of any assurance of Constitutionality coming from someone who can't even quote the document correctly.

Furthermore, a section of writing intended to provide a reason for the preceding clauses is not, in and of itself, a set of marching orders. If the Founding Fathers had intended that spiel about "general welfare" to be taken as an all-inclusive "do whatever the hell you think is a good idea" instruction, why did they bother wasting all that time and those words delineating the specific powers of the Congress, and later the other two branches of government? What's the point of saying, "Congress has the power to do this, and this, and this, and then whatever else it feels like at the moment"?

That is my thought as well but if you look closely at that particular line it says general welfare of the United States which I think refers to the government of the United States which includes all powers it has. This was pointed out to me in another blog and I thought it was an interesting point.

This is EXACTLY what the Constitution says in Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. . ."

Now, it is clear to anyone who can read and comprehend English (and doesn't have a political axe to grind) that the phrase "provide for the common defense and general welfare" is intended merely to provide a clarifying reason for the granting of the power to lay and collect taxes. It does NOT constitute a separate grant of power in and of itself, a fact which is borne out by it being a repetition of the Preamble to the Constitution, which is essentially a mission statement. For the record, this position has been officially held in the past by the US Supreme Court in general, Justice Joseph Story in specific, and Thomas Jefferson.

It is also clear to me that the Framers of the Constitution also made it very clear what THEY considered "providing for the general welfare" to be by delineating very specific powers for the three branches of government.
 

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So if they call it welfcare would it be constitutional?
 

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