Explaining joe biden's anti-gun agenda....

[2aguy]

Great explanation for why joe biden shouldn't be President....his anti-gun agenda...

Yes, 40 years of Republican economic and public policies have lead to a country which is sick, broke and unemployed - again. Three of the four largest economic crashes in American history have happened under Republican Presidents over the past 40 years - two in their second terms so they have no one to blame but Republicans, and now Trump has utterly cratered the economy, leading to social chaos, massive unemployment and the worst crash since the Great Depression. But hey, you can still have your guns.

Clutch them to your bossom. Hold tight, because that's all you have left after 40 years of Republican governance. You lost your unions under Reagan, your house and your manufacturing under Bush II, and now your health and peace of mind under Trump, but you've still got your guns!

Halleluah!!!

How did Trump crater the economy?

Be specific and cite policies.

Governors shut down the economy, not Trump you raving lunatic.

Be specific. Quote Policies....sheesh you righties are like broken records. Trump's denial and inaction caused these governors (Republican and Democrat..you guys always seem to forget that) to have to take action....almost two months into the pandemic outbreak. That's what cratered the economy. That gets laid right at Trump's feet. Specific enough for you? Ah..The hue and cry of "conservatism". A just and noble ideology. She's right on the money as far as Republican and conservative policy failures. You want to know why the country is in the shape it is, look no further than the failed belief system called conservatism.

But let's get back to gun control and the oft quoted YouTube Internet douche I call Hippie Stink...who looks like he's just another Russian troll.
Biden is lobbying for sensible gun control measures. I don't hear him talking about taking away firearms. Reducing proliferation of assault weapons is not infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights.

There is nothing sensible about what he wants.....each item only effects normal gun owners and does nothing to stop criminals.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have the democrat party constantly releasing the violent gun criminals into our communities over and over again...they are the ones doing 95% of all the shooting in democrat party controlled neighborhoods......if we vote out democrats, and start keeping violent criminals locked up, more Black Americans will live.....

We have a weapons proliferation problem in this country. We have too easy access to semi-automatic weapons and large magazine clips that honestly, aren't necessary and are only meant to kill or wound large numbers of people. I mean, you're not going to hunt with them. As far as the shootings you speak of, you need to first answer the question about how guns are so easily accessed in these cities. In other words, where do the majority of the guns that are used in this violence come from?..The answer..from straw buyers in gun friendly states. Rinse, recycle, repeat. This just one example...and by the way, you couldn't build enough jails to house all criminals (black, white, and other). That's a whole other discussion.
Where Do Guns Used to Commit Shootings in Chicago Come From?

They are accessed because criminals break the law.....

They use straw buyers.....people who can pass any background check, usually their girlfriends, mothers or grand mothers.....who they can intimidate and threaten to buy the guns.....and who likely won't face prosecution because District Attorneys don't want to convict baby mommas .....

And....tell me this......

Chicago......... vs. .....Houston....


Chicago has extreme gun control...there are no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, and they make it hard to get permits to own and carry guns.

Houston....has open and concealed carry, and gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges on every corner.....and they are in a state next to the Narco state of Mexico...

Chicago..gun murder 2016......765

Houston....301


Population of cities 2016:


Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142

St. Louis..........188

Your theory on straw buyers doesn't make any sense if a city and state with easier access to guns than Chicago has a gun murder rate lower than Chicago.......you can't explain that.....

Dittos the states around Chicago...who have lower gun murder rates...the cities where these criminals are allegedly buying their guns have lower gun murder rates than Chicago....which makes no sense since the guns are more easily available in the original state...


YOu can't explain that.

In a gun regulated city, how do you think the majority of guns get into the city? And are then recycled for use in more crimes? You really don't think there are drug dealers and gang members holed up in their basements in these cities with tool and die presses manufacturing the bulk of the guns that are used in these shootings?...do you? And the gun friendly states have a lower murder rate? well...yeah..duh...because most of them are RURAL. Every single city you cite below is within driving distance of a gun friendly state, and the firearms flow from there. You really don't think gang members and drug dealers are at these gun shows in these states buying up firearms to bring into these cities?....sheesh. ...Straw buyers dude.
Look, there has been more than enough research done on this subject. All you have to do is Google.

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142
St. Louis..........188

Let me offer you a warning. If you take a hardline stand on gun control, eventually, you'll find your side losing sympathy from those of us who think every law abiding citizen of sound mind has the right to bear and carry firearms (but not to protests..show a little dignity). Try being flexible and see the carnage for what it is. Make some sensible laws and I promise you, those of us who can see the big picture will defend your right to own a firearm. Those who want to confiscate guns, aren't dealing in reality.

You don't understand the issue.........that is why you can't solve the problem.....

America Should Be Prosecuting Straw Purchasers, Not Gun Dealers | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

America should be prosecuting the gun dealers.

The 2nd amendment gives one the right to have a firearm yet it doesn't mean that they can't be well regulated.

Bullshit, regulated pertains to the militia. The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is not an "infringement" on your right to bear arms, to limit they types of weapons available to the public. Regulating the market is not an "infringement", nor is requiring training. Any of the things you do to protect the public in the operation of a motor vehicle, you can require of gun owners.

You have no compunctions about taking that "right" away from convicted felons. It seems you have no compunctions about stripping some people of their rights. Whatever your rationalization, it comes down to "All of the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Only someone as stupid as you would say prohibiting something isn't an "infringement." Can you feed yourself, can you dress yourself....cause that statement puts that into doubt.

You, like the rest of the left wingers here are insane. There is something wrong with your brains. You can't see truth, facts or reality, and are dangerous...

 

[2aguy]

Great explanation for why joe biden shouldn't be President....his anti-gun agenda...

Yes, 40 years of Republican economic and public policies have lead to a country which is sick, broke and unemployed - again. Three of the four largest economic crashes in American history have happened under Republican Presidents over the past 40 years - two in their second terms so they have no one to blame but Republicans, and now Trump has utterly cratered the economy, leading to social chaos, massive unemployment and the worst crash since the Great Depression. But hey, you can still have your guns.

Clutch them to your bossom. Hold tight, because that's all you have left after 40 years of Republican governance. You lost your unions under Reagan, your house and your manufacturing under Bush II, and now your health and peace of mind under Trump, but you've still got your guns!

Halleluah!!!

How did Trump crater the economy?

Be specific and cite policies.

Governors shut down the economy, not Trump you raving lunatic.

Be specific. Quote Policies....sheesh you righties are like broken records. Trump's denial and inaction caused these governors (Republican and Democrat..you guys always seem to forget that) to have to take action....almost two months into the pandemic outbreak. That's what cratered the economy. That gets laid right at Trump's feet. Specific enough for you? Ah..The hue and cry of "conservatism". A just and noble ideology. She's right on the money as far as Republican and conservative policy failures. You want to know why the country is in the shape it is, look no further than the failed belief system called conservatism.

But let's get back to gun control and the oft quoted YouTube Internet douche I call Hippie Stink...who looks like he's just another Russian troll.
Biden is lobbying for sensible gun control measures. I don't hear him talking about taking away firearms. Reducing proliferation of assault weapons is not infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights.

There is nothing sensible about what he wants.....each item only effects normal gun owners and does nothing to stop criminals.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have the democrat party constantly releasing the violent gun criminals into our communities over and over again...they are the ones doing 95% of all the shooting in democrat party controlled neighborhoods......if we vote out democrats, and start keeping violent criminals locked up, more Black Americans will live.....

We have a weapons proliferation problem in this country. We have too easy access to semi-automatic weapons and large magazine clips that honestly, aren't necessary and are only meant to kill or wound large numbers of people. I mean, you're not going to hunt with them. As far as the shootings you speak of, you need to first answer the question about how guns are so easily accessed in these cities. In other words, where do the majority of the guns that are used in this violence come from?..The answer..from straw buyers in gun friendly states. Rinse, recycle, repeat. This just one example...and by the way, you couldn't build enough jails to house all criminals (black, white, and other). That's a whole other discussion.
Where Do Guns Used to Commit Shootings in Chicago Come From?

They are accessed because criminals break the law.....

They use straw buyers.....people who can pass any background check, usually their girlfriends, mothers or grand mothers.....who they can intimidate and threaten to buy the guns.....and who likely won't face prosecution because District Attorneys don't want to convict baby mommas .....

And....tell me this......

Chicago......... vs. .....Houston....


Chicago has extreme gun control...there are no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, and they make it hard to get permits to own and carry guns.

Houston....has open and concealed carry, and gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges on every corner.....and they are in a state next to the Narco state of Mexico...

Chicago..gun murder 2016......765

Houston....301


Population of cities 2016:


Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142

St. Louis..........188

Your theory on straw buyers doesn't make any sense if a city and state with easier access to guns than Chicago has a gun murder rate lower than Chicago.......you can't explain that.....

Dittos the states around Chicago...who have lower gun murder rates...the cities where these criminals are allegedly buying their guns have lower gun murder rates than Chicago....which makes no sense since the guns are more easily available in the original state...


YOu can't explain that.

In a gun regulated city, how do you think the majority of guns get into the city? And are then recycled for use in more crimes? You really don't think there are drug dealers and gang members holed up in their basements in these cities with tool and die presses manufacturing the bulk of the guns that are used in these shootings?...do you? And the gun friendly states have a lower murder rate? well...yeah..duh...because most of them are RURAL. Every single city you cite below is within driving distance of a gun friendly state, and the firearms flow from there. You really don't think gang members and drug dealers are at these gun shows in these states buying up firearms to bring into these cities?....sheesh. ...Straw buyers dude.
Look, there has been more than enough research done on this subject. All you have to do is Google.

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142
St. Louis..........188

Let me offer you a warning. If you take a hardline stand on gun control, eventually, you'll find your side losing sympathy from those of us who think every law abiding citizen of sound mind has the right to bear and carry firearms (but not to protests..show a little dignity). Try being flexible and see the carnage for what it is. Make some sensible laws and I promise you, those of us who can see the big picture will defend your right to own a firearm. Those who want to confiscate guns, aren't dealing in reality.

You don't understand the issue.........that is why you can't solve the problem.....

America Should Be Prosecuting Straw Purchasers, Not Gun Dealers | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

America should be prosecuting the gun dealers.

The 2nd amendment gives one the right to have a firearm yet it doesn't mean that they can't be well regulated.

Bullshit, regulated pertains to the militia. The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is not an "infringement" on your right to bear arms, to limit they types of weapons available to the public. Regulating the market is not an "infringement", nor is requiring training. Any of the things you do to protect the public in the operation of a motor vehicle, you can require of gun owners.

You have no compunctions about taking that "right" away from convicted felons. It seems you have no compunctions about stripping some people of their rights. Whatever your rationalization, it comes down to "All of the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Yes it is. It states that very clearly "shall not be infringed. I'll agree with you as soon as you can show me the specfic part of the constitution that states you have a right to drive a car or ride a horse if you want to get all historical about it

Your problem is a misinterrpretation of the word "infringed". Banning guns doesn't infringe on your right to own a gun. The Supreme Court said so.

Tommy Guns were banned, and the Supreme Court upheld that ban.

The NRA gave qualified support to the proposed law.

“I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses,” testified NRA President Karl Frederick, a New York lawyer. But he was dubious about the proposed law. “In my opinion, the useful results that can be accomplished by firearms legislation are extremely limited,” he said.

The NRA at the time represented “hundreds of thousands” of gun owners but not gun manufacturers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/08/09/they-were-killers-with-machine-guns-then-president-went-after-their-weapons/

Fully automatic weapons were banned in 1986.

There have been lots of weapons banned for private ownership over the years and the Supreme Court has upheld each and every one of those bans as being Contitutional. It was only after the NRA was taken over by the gun manufacturing lobby that any move to ban dangerous weapons or restrict their sale suddenly became an "infringement" on the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

You are stupid....you don't understand this issue...

And again....

You still have not answered the question....

How is it that as more Americans not only own guns, but over 18.2 million Americans carry them for self defense.....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that?

How is it that as more Americans not only own guns, but over 18.2 million Americans carry them for self defense...our gun murder rate went down 49%.....

How do you explain that?

Your theory doesn't explain any of it..........my explanation explains it completely....

Now, answer the question...

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Then explain Maine and Brazil...

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Great explanation for why joe biden shouldn't be President....his anti-gun agenda...

Yes, 40 years of Republican economic and public policies have lead to a country which is sick, broke and unemployed - again. Three of the four largest economic crashes in American history have happened under Republican Presidents over the past 40 years - two in their second terms so they have no one to blame but Republicans, and now Trump has utterly cratered the economy, leading to social chaos, massive unemployment and the worst crash since the Great Depression. But hey, you can still have your guns.

Clutch them to your bossom. Hold tight, because that's all you have left after 40 years of Republican governance. You lost your unions under Reagan, your house and your manufacturing under Bush II, and now your health and peace of mind under Trump, but you've still got your guns!

Halleluah!!!

How did Trump crater the economy?

Be specific and cite policies.

Governors shut down the economy, not Trump you raving lunatic.

Be specific. Quote Policies....sheesh you righties are like broken records. Trump's denial and inaction caused these governors (Republican and Democrat..you guys always seem to forget that) to have to take action....almost two months into the pandemic outbreak. That's what cratered the economy. That gets laid right at Trump's feet. Specific enough for you? Ah..The hue and cry of "conservatism". A just and noble ideology. She's right on the money as far as Republican and conservative policy failures. You want to know why the country is in the shape it is, look no further than the failed belief system called conservatism.

But let's get back to gun control and the oft quoted YouTube Internet douche I call Hippie Stink...who looks like he's just another Russian troll.
Biden is lobbying for sensible gun control measures. I don't hear him talking about taking away firearms. Reducing proliferation of assault weapons is not infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights.

There is nothing sensible about what he wants.....each item only effects normal gun owners and does nothing to stop criminals.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have the democrat party constantly releasing the violent gun criminals into our communities over and over again...they are the ones doing 95% of all the shooting in democrat party controlled neighborhoods......if we vote out democrats, and start keeping violent criminals locked up, more Black Americans will live.....

We have a weapons proliferation problem in this country. We have too easy access to semi-automatic weapons and large magazine clips that honestly, aren't necessary and are only meant to kill or wound large numbers of people. I mean, you're not going to hunt with them. As far as the shootings you speak of, you need to first answer the question about how guns are so easily accessed in these cities. In other words, where do the majority of the guns that are used in this violence come from?..The answer..from straw buyers in gun friendly states. Rinse, recycle, repeat. This just one example...and by the way, you couldn't build enough jails to house all criminals (black, white, and other). That's a whole other discussion.
Where Do Guns Used to Commit Shootings in Chicago Come From?

They are accessed because criminals break the law.....

They use straw buyers.....people who can pass any background check, usually their girlfriends, mothers or grand mothers.....who they can intimidate and threaten to buy the guns.....and who likely won't face prosecution because District Attorneys don't want to convict baby mommas .....

And....tell me this......

Chicago......... vs. .....Houston....


Chicago has extreme gun control...there are no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, and they make it hard to get permits to own and carry guns.

Houston....has open and concealed carry, and gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges on every corner.....and they are in a state next to the Narco state of Mexico...

Chicago..gun murder 2016......765

Houston....301


Population of cities 2016:


Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142

St. Louis..........188

Your theory on straw buyers doesn't make any sense if a city and state with easier access to guns than Chicago has a gun murder rate lower than Chicago.......you can't explain that.....

Dittos the states around Chicago...who have lower gun murder rates...the cities where these criminals are allegedly buying their guns have lower gun murder rates than Chicago....which makes no sense since the guns are more easily available in the original state...


YOu can't explain that.

In a gun regulated city, how do you think the majority of guns get into the city? And are then recycled for use in more crimes? You really don't think there are drug dealers and gang members holed up in their basements in these cities with tool and die presses manufacturing the bulk of the guns that are used in these shootings?...do you? And the gun friendly states have a lower murder rate? well...yeah..duh...because most of them are RURAL. Every single city you cite below is within driving distance of a gun friendly state, and the firearms flow from there. You really don't think gang members and drug dealers are at these gun shows in these states buying up firearms to bring into these cities?....sheesh. ...Straw buyers dude.
Look, there has been more than enough research done on this subject. All you have to do is Google.

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142
St. Louis..........188

Let me offer you a warning. If you take a hardline stand on gun control, eventually, you'll find your side losing sympathy from those of us who think every law abiding citizen of sound mind has the right to bear and carry firearms (but not to protests..show a little dignity). Try being flexible and see the carnage for what it is. Make some sensible laws and I promise you, those of us who can see the big picture will defend your right to own a firearm. Those who want to confiscate guns, aren't dealing in reality.

You don't understand straw buyers either..........

Straw purchaser with 4 felony gun charges will not get jail time

A Chicago-area woman arrested last year for her role in illegally selling guns to prohibited buyers, some with gang affiliations, was sentenced to probation and community service last week.

Simone Mousheh, 23, of the Chicago suburb of Mount Prospect, will have to complete 15 days of community service in the Cook County Sheriff’s Work Alternative Program and 12 months probation after pleading guilty to illegal transfer of firearms last week, as reported by the Daily Herald.

Mousheh was arrested last September and charged with four felonies after an investigation by the Chicago Police Firearm Investigation Team concluded she had bought handguns through the benefit of her state-issued Firearms Owners Identification card and then illegally resold them.

One gun, a Glock 23 Mousheh later reported as stolen, was recovered by police from a juvenile offender on the West Side. Another Glock, a Model 22, was sold to Jayson Barber nine days after she bought it. Mousheh knew at the time that Barber was on probation for domestic battery, and did not have a FOID card which is needed to possess a handgun in Illinois. Police later determined Barber had gang ties. The Glock was the second gun she sold to Barber.

Over a six-month period, Mousheh purchased four Glocks and put a $1,000 deposit on an FN 5.7 pistol. Police were only able to recover the Glock from Barber as well as one other gun and a box of 5.7x28mm ammunition from her home.





ATF Lets Straw Purchasing Violent Criminal Walk In WV

Travis Bishop has been working the past 13 years as a firearms dealer in West Virginia at Tannerman’s Weapon Systems. The store is not only his passion, but also a beacon of hope in his community.

He has put on four food drives in the past 10 years, he’s active in his church through ministry work, he has helped countless heroin addicts though outreach programs, and recently helped 25-year old Britney Bretfield, a customer at Tannerman’s and an avid shotgun trap shooter suffering from cancer, by raising $5500 to help offset her medical bills.

This man goes above and beyond, so when people heard he alerted authorities to break up a straw purchase in his store, it was no surprise. The surprise came after the individuals were spotted in a local liquor store only 14 hours after being arrested.

On December 10th, Travis was working in his store as usual, when two individuals entered his store looking for a handgun. After approaching the two, asking if there was anything he could help them find, the woman indicated she was looking for a “gun with a beam”.


After talking with them only a few short minutes, he alerted his store employees to go into “straw purchase” mode. This slows things down behind the counter and allows them time to further assess the situation and call law enforcement if necessary.

Continuing to press for information, Travis asked if they had ever owned or handled handguns before and they both indicated, ‘oh yeah. yeah, we have guns.’ but neither one was able to say what kind or model they were. After perusing the store talking about several options and deciding on a handgun, they said, ‘yeah, we’ll take that one.’

Confused, Travis asked, “What do you mean ‘you’ll both take that one’? Which one of you is going to be purchasing the gun?” to which she replied, “Oh, he’s gonna get it, I’m gonna pay for it.” So he takes them to the counter to start the process and asked, “Which one of you specifically is buying the gun?” Again she answered, “Well the gun is for him, but I’m gonna pay for it.”

Un-FUCKING-believable.

I don't EVER want to hear another GODDAMN WORD about "common sense" gun control. These motherfuckers are deliberately making it worse.

They have an agenda. It does not include them giving a rat fuck if criminals get guns. They want to take the guns SO THEY CAN GET TO US EASIER AND CONTROL US.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Tommy Guns were banned, and the Supreme Court upheld that ban.

The Supreme Court upheld THE TAX!!!

Fully automatic weapons were banned in 1986.

Unconstitutional and has not been challenged.

4 more years of Trump and it likely will be.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Great explanation for why joe biden shouldn't be President....his anti-gun agenda...

Yes, 40 years of Republican economic and public policies have lead to a country which is sick, broke and unemployed - again. Three of the four largest economic crashes in American history have happened under Republican Presidents over the past 40 years - two in their second terms so they have no one to blame but Republicans, and now Trump has utterly cratered the economy, leading to social chaos, massive unemployment and the worst crash since the Great Depression. But hey, you can still have your guns.

Clutch them to your bossom. Hold tight, because that's all you have left after 40 years of Republican governance. You lost your unions under Reagan, your house and your manufacturing under Bush II, and now your health and peace of mind under Trump, but you've still got your guns!

Halleluah!!!

How did Trump crater the economy?

Be specific and cite policies.

Governors shut down the economy, not Trump you raving lunatic.

Be specific. Quote Policies....sheesh you righties are like broken records. Trump's denial and inaction caused these governors (Republican and Democrat..you guys always seem to forget that) to have to take action....almost two months into the pandemic outbreak. That's what cratered the economy. That gets laid right at Trump's feet. Specific enough for you? Ah..The hue and cry of "conservatism". A just and noble ideology. She's right on the money as far as Republican and conservative policy failures. You want to know why the country is in the shape it is, look no further than the failed belief system called conservatism.

But let's get back to gun control and the oft quoted YouTube Internet douche I call Hippie Stink...who looks like he's just another Russian troll.
Biden is lobbying for sensible gun control measures. I don't hear him talking about taking away firearms. Reducing proliferation of assault weapons is not infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights.

There is nothing sensible about what he wants.....each item only effects normal gun owners and does nothing to stop criminals.

We don't have a gun problem in this country. We have the democrat party constantly releasing the violent gun criminals into our communities over and over again...they are the ones doing 95% of all the shooting in democrat party controlled neighborhoods......if we vote out democrats, and start keeping violent criminals locked up, more Black Americans will live.....

We have a weapons proliferation problem in this country. We have too easy access to semi-automatic weapons and large magazine clips that honestly, aren't necessary and are only meant to kill or wound large numbers of people. I mean, you're not going to hunt with them. As far as the shootings you speak of, you need to first answer the question about how guns are so easily accessed in these cities. In other words, where do the majority of the guns that are used in this violence come from?..The answer..from straw buyers in gun friendly states. Rinse, recycle, repeat. This just one example...and by the way, you couldn't build enough jails to house all criminals (black, white, and other). That's a whole other discussion.
Where Do Guns Used to Commit Shootings in Chicago Come From?

They are accessed because criminals break the law.....

They use straw buyers.....people who can pass any background check, usually their girlfriends, mothers or grand mothers.....who they can intimidate and threaten to buy the guns.....and who likely won't face prosecution because District Attorneys don't want to convict baby mommas .....

And....tell me this......

Chicago......... vs. .....Houston....


Chicago has extreme gun control...there are no gun stores or shooting ranges in the city, and they make it hard to get permits to own and carry guns.

Houston....has open and concealed carry, and gun stores on every corner, shooting ranges on every corner.....and they are in a state next to the Narco state of Mexico...

Chicago..gun murder 2016......765

Houston....301


Population of cities 2016:


Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961
Detroit...........672,795
Milwaukee.....595,647

St. Louis.......311,404

Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142

St. Louis..........188

Your theory on straw buyers doesn't make any sense if a city and state with easier access to guns than Chicago has a gun murder rate lower than Chicago.......you can't explain that.....

Dittos the states around Chicago...who have lower gun murder rates...the cities where these criminals are allegedly buying their guns have lower gun murder rates than Chicago....which makes no sense since the guns are more easily available in the original state...


YOu can't explain that.

In a gun regulated city, how do you think the majority of guns get into the city? And are then recycled for use in more crimes? You really don't think there are drug dealers and gang members holed up in their basements in these cities with tool and die presses manufacturing the bulk of the guns that are used in these shootings?...do you? And the gun friendly states have a lower murder rate? well...yeah..duh...because most of them are RURAL. Every single city you cite below is within driving distance of a gun friendly state, and the firearms flow from there. You really don't think gang members and drug dealers are at these gun shows in these states buying up firearms to bring into these cities?....sheesh. ...Straw buyers dude.
Look, there has been more than enough research done on this subject. All you have to do is Google.

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318
Detroit...........303
Milwaukee.... 142
St. Louis..........188

Let me offer you a warning. If you take a hardline stand on gun control, eventually, you'll find your side losing sympathy from those of us who think every law abiding citizen of sound mind has the right to bear and carry firearms (but not to protests..show a little dignity). Try being flexible and see the carnage for what it is. Make some sensible laws and I promise you, those of us who can see the big picture will defend your right to own a firearm. Those who want to confiscate guns, aren't dealing in reality.

You don't understand the issue.........that is why you can't solve the problem.....

America Should Be Prosecuting Straw Purchasers, Not Gun Dealers | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

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I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

America should be prosecuting the gun dealers.

The 2nd amendment gives one the right to have a firearm yet it doesn't mean that they can't be well regulated.

Bullshit, regulated pertains to the militia. The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is not an "infringement" on your right to bear arms, to limit they types of weapons available to the public. Regulating the market is not an "infringement", nor is requiring training. Any of the things you do to protect the public in the operation of a motor vehicle, you can require of gun owners.

You have no compunctions about taking that "right" away from convicted felons. It seems you have no compunctions about stripping some people of their rights. Whatever your rationalization, it comes down to "All of the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

Yes it is. It states that very clearly "shall not be infringed. I'll agree with you as soon as you can show me the specfic part of the constitution that states you have a right to drive a car or ride a horse if you want to get all historical about it

Your problem is a misinterrpretation of the word "infringed". Banning guns doesn't infringe on your right to own a gun. The Supreme Court said so.

Tommy Guns were banned, and the Supreme Court upheld that ban.

The NRA gave qualified support to the proposed law.

“I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses,” testified NRA President Karl Frederick, a New York lawyer. But he was dubious about the proposed law. “In my opinion, the useful results that can be accomplished by firearms legislation are extremely limited,” he said.

The NRA at the time represented “hundreds of thousands” of gun owners but not gun manufacturers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/08/09/they-were-killers-with-machine-guns-then-president-went-after-their-weapons/

Fully automatic weapons were banned in 1986.

There have been lots of weapons banned for private ownership over the years and the Supreme Court has upheld each and every one of those bans as being Contitutional. It was only after the NRA was taken over by the gun manufacturing lobby that any move to ban dangerous weapons or restrict their sale suddenly became an "infringement" on the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

Any law that prohibits law abiding citizens is an infringement and by the way automatic weapons manufactured before 1986 are not banned you loon. You really do not know anything about the subject so I'll just ignore and or laugh hysterically every time you talk about the subject from now own.

 

[protectionist]

This is code for complete ban and confiscation!

ALL FIREARMS ARE WEAPONS OF WAR!!!

After you maggot infested hooligans burned America to the ground and murdered those in your way, people are seeing the necessity of high-capacity magazines.

There will be no magazine ban that will be enforced. I know of many people who will risk everything to start manufacturing those items on the black market. You will have another war on drugs on your hands.

BUT, citizens being defenseless is exactly what Bolshevist Looters Matter want.

The communists want revolution, and they want to get to each of us. The police stood in their way before. Now it is only the guns that stand in their way. We will not surrender them!

Joe Biden is giving them what they want. Joe Biden is the leader of the communist revolution. He should be executed.

Great post except for the last sentence about Biden being executed. Rather than that, I would have him restrained in a combination mental institution, old folks home.

 

[protectionist]

Great explanation for why joe biden shouldn't be President....his anti-gun agenda...

Yes, 40 years of Republican economic and public policies have lead to a country which is sick, broke and unemployed - again. Three of the four largest economic crashes in American history have happened under Republican Presidents over the past 40 years - two in their second terms so they have no one to blame but Republicans, and now Trump has utterly cratered the economy, leading to social chaos, massive unemployment and the worst crash since the Great Depression. But hey, you can still have your guns.

Clutch them to your bossom. Hold tight, because that's all you have left after 40 years of Republican governance. You lost your unions under Reagan, your house and your manufacturing under Bush II, and now your health and peace of mind under Trump, but you've still got your guns!

Halleluah!!!

The Democrat/China collusion to deliberately unleash the corona virus on America, is what has created a downturn in the US economy. Before that, the economy was great for 3 years, and in fact is great again now, even in spite of the Democrats' reckless efforts to sabotage it, just to ruin Trump's chances for re-election. The stock market just recorded all-time record highs in August, as the coronavirus effetre receding in the past. Trump's actions have reduced Covid deaths from over 17,00/week in April to barely over 1,000 week ending August 15.

Consequently, Trump's approval numbers are soaring, and Biden's are dropping like lead ball.

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Poll: President Trump and Joe Biden Tied in Battleground Minnesota

President Trump has tied up the presidential race in the battleground state of Minnesota, a Trafalgar Group survey released revealed.

www.breitbart.com

Joe Biden’s lead has evaporated in the past two months, a new poll from CNN shows. >>

CNN Poll: Biden Lead Shrinks with Double-Digit Shift Trump’s Way

The lead of former Vice President Joe Biden has evaporated in the past two months, a new poll from CNN shows.

www.breitbart.com

 

[protectionist]

Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, President Obama tasked Vice President Biden with developing both legislative proposals and executive actions to make our communities safer. As a result of this effort, the Obama-Biden Administration took more than two dozen actions, including narrowing the so-called “gun show loophole,” increasing the number of records in the background check system, and expanding funding for mental health services.

It’s within our grasp to end our gun violence epidemic and respect the Second Amendment, which is limited. As president, Biden will pursue constitutional, common-sense gun safety policies. Biden will:

Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:

• Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.
• Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.
• Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.
• Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.

Joe Biden's Plan to End Gun Violence | Joe Biden for President

Joe Biden's plan to end gun violence will tackle America's gun violence head on, and treat it as the public health epidemic it is.

joebiden.com

Thanks for showing us in detail why to NOT vote for Joe Biden.

Gun manufacturers should NOT be held accountable for the misdeeds of people who misuse their product, any more than car manufacturers should be held accountable for drivers who speed, and drive recklessly. Stupid idea. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is a good idea, because of the stupidity of gun haters, just like expressed in your post.

The manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, is needed now, more than ever, as violent mobs continue to threaten law abiding citizens, not only at their businesses, but at their homes as well. A six-shooter pistol may not be enough firepower against a large mob of dozens of scatterbrained, molotov cocktail throwers, window smashers, arsonists, looters.

PS - when 2 bills were proposed in the US Senate by Republicans, to control gun sales, with increased background checks, Democrats voted against them.

WATCH: Unhinged Democratic Politician Leads Angry Mob Outside Home of Minneapolis Police Union Leader

townhall.com

WATCH: Leftist Mob Gathers Outside the Home of Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf

townhall.com

WATCH: Left-Wing Mob Targets Another Government Official's Home

townhall.com

 

[Moonglow]

Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, President Obama tasked Vice President Biden with developing both legislative proposals and executive actions to make our communities safer. As a result of this effort, the Obama-Biden Administration took more than two dozen actions, including narrowing the so-called “gun show loophole,” increasing the number of records in the background check system, and expanding funding for mental health services.

It’s within our grasp to end our gun violence epidemic and respect the Second Amendment, which is limited. As president, Biden will pursue constitutional, common-sense gun safety policies. Biden will:

Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:

• Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.
• Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.
• Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.
• Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.

Joe Biden's Plan to End Gun Violence | Joe Biden for President

Joe Biden's plan to end gun violence will tackle America's gun violence head on, and treat it as the public health epidemic it is.

joebiden.com

Thanks for showing us in detail why to NOT vote for Joe Biden.

Gun manufacturers should NOT be held accountable for the misdeeds of people who misuse their product, any more than car manufacturer should be held accountable for drivers who speed and drive recklessly. Stupid idea. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is a good idea because of the stupidity of gun haters, just like expressed in your post.

The manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, is needed now, more than ever, as violent mobs continue to threaten law abiding citizens, not only at their businesses, but at their homes as well. A six-shooter pistol may not be enough firepower against a large mob of dozens of scatterbained, molotov cocktail throwers, window smashers, arsonists, looters.

PS - when 2 bills were proposed in the US Senate by Republicans, to control gun sales, with increased background checks, Democrats voted against them.

WATCH: Unhinged Democratic Politician Leads Angry Mob Outside Home of Minneapolis Police Union Leader

townhall.com

WATCH: Leftist Mob Gathers Outside the Home of Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf

townhall.com

WATCH: Left-Wing Mob Targets Another Government Official's Home

townhall.com

I wouldn't vote for anyone who keeps on supporting the National Firearms Act. Which is Trump and the entire govt, consisting of Dems, Repubs and Independents.

 

[protectionist]

And how about if THESE GUYS show up on your front lawn ?

Instead of assault rifle bullets, maybe you could offer them lollipops ?

 

[protectionist]

I wouldn't vote for anyone who keeps on supporting the National Firearms Act. Which is Trump and the entire govt, consisting of Dems, Repubs and Independents.

Maybe you could move to the UK. Or New York City. And purchase a good life insurance policy.