EU's foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, a thorn in Israel's side.

[Roudy]

AND ! ! ! !

Just how does this prove that Israel is belligerent all the time as you claimed. All occupations are classed as belligerent, and in this case from 1967 till 1988 the occupation was of annexed Jordan land.

And it proves that Israel is a belligerent occupier....

If you choose to ignore the facts then thats YOUR issue NOT mine!

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

How about that whole story of these mythical Palestinians being kicked out of their homes is a big lie and part of a great hoax?

• ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseini, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce ... They preferred to abandon their homes, belongings and everything they possessed."
• ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: "The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously..."
• ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had "assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade ... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states."
• IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal of the Beirut-based PLO, Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen"), PLO spokesman, wrote: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."
• ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee, Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy."
• ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: "The Arab governments told us, 'Get out so that we can get in.' So we got out, but they did not get in."
• THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote on February 19, 1949: "The Arab states... encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."
• ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs: "There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."
• THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: " ... the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries ... We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land."

 

[P F Tinmore]

And it proves that Israel is a belligerent occupier....

If you choose to ignore the facts then thats YOUR issue NOT mine!

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

How about that whole story of these mythical Palestinians being kicked out of their homes is a big lie and part of a great hoax?

• ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseini, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce ... They preferred to abandon their homes, belongings and everything they possessed."
• ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: "The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously..."
• ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had "assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade ... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states."
• IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal of the Beirut-based PLO, Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen"), PLO spokesman, wrote: "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."
• ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee, Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy."
• ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: "The Arab governments told us, 'Get out so that we can get in.' So we got out, but they did not get in."
• THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote on February 19, 1949: "The Arab states... encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies."
• ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs: "There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."
• THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: " ... the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries ... We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land."

 

[Penelope]

AND ! ! ! !

Just how does this prove that Israel is belligerent all the time as you claimed. All occupations are classed as belligerent, and in this case from 1967 till 1988 the occupation was of annexed Jordan land.

And it proves that Israel is a belligerent occupier....

If you choose to ignore the facts then thats YOUR issue NOT mine!

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

 

[Roudy]

And it proves that Israel is a belligerent occupier....

If you choose to ignore the facts then thats YOUR issue NOT mine!

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

 

[Humanity]

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

 

[Roudy]

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

 

[Humanity]

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

 

[Roudy]

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

That wasn't your question, you asked me "Just where did all those Jews come from then?" I told you when where and how they came. The Arabs had no say as to what was to be decided and who to let in or not to let in. The invading Ottomans defeated the invading Arabs and gained control of Jewish holy land for 700 years, and then the British who defeated the Ottomans gained control of it.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old YishuvJewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

That wasn't your question, you asked me "Just where did all those Jews come from then?" I told you when where and how they came. The Arabs had no say as to what was to be decided and who to let in or not to let in. The invading Ottomans defeated the invading Arabs and gained control of Jewish holy land for 700 years, and then the British who defeated the Ottomans gained control of it.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old YishuvJewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

Jews were not the first people in Palestine nor were they ever the only people in Palestine.

There is no historic precedence for an exclusive Jewish state.

 

[Roudy]

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

That wasn't your question, you asked me "Just where did all those Jews come from then?" I told you when where and how they came. The Arabs had no say as to what was to be decided and who to let in or not to let in. The invading Ottomans defeated the invading Arabs and gained control of Jewish holy land for 700 years, and then the British who defeated the Ottomans gained control of it.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old YishuvJewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

Jews were not the first people in Palestine nor were they ever the only people in Palestine.

There is no historic precedence for an exclusive Jewish state.

There is certainly more historic, cultural, religious, and spiritual precedence for a Jewish state than an Arab Muslim invasion. Israel has been Jewish holy land for 5000 years. They never forgot about, and never will.

 

[Kondor3]

...There is no historic precedence for an exclusive Jewish state.

No precedent is required.

 

[Phoenall]

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Another non believe of facts eh...

If the Israeli Supreme Court confirming that Israel is a "belligerent occupier" is not sufficient evidence for you then you have no hope of having a sensible conversation do you!

Go join your zionut mates down the asylum!

Saying that Israel is a belligerent occupier is all that was proven, and you cant take that in and come to terms with what it means. When the US and UK occupied Iraq it was a belligerent occupation, when Jordan occupied the west bank it was a belligerent occupation. Have you got it yet ?

Stop Phoney...

Let's rewind a little bit here...

You asked... "And you can prove Israel is belligerent from a neutral non partisan source"

I would suggest that the Israeli Supreme Court is a non partisan source... Would you agree?

You then agree that Israel is "belligerent"...

Yet you still ask the same question?

Can you see now, just how stupid you really are?

It would appear that zionists are incapable of holding a clear and concise debate, simply because they are, no matter what their religion, looking to play the victim...

"Oh, woe is me, I am but a poor, down trodden zionist. I cannot accept any other opinion other than my own, confused, out dated views, otherwise I will have to call you an anti semite and crawl back into my poor, down trodden cave and plot the next action to try and gain support"

See how that is wearing a bit thin with the world at large?

No it is definitely partisan

I agree that Israel is party to a belligerent occupation, but you have not shown yet that Israel is belligerent in the accepted sense. It is not being stupid pointing out that you are applying one thing to everything that Israel is accused of doing.
To cover yourself you straight away go for the Zionist card out of context and in a racially abusive manner.

NOW how about showing that Israel is belligerent in the manner you are implying or accept that you are letting your RACIST JEW HATED cloud your thoughts

Can't be racist against a religion....

Can't be racist against a government...

I don't hate Jews, just don't like the Israeli government policies...

No need to cover anything, Israel is belligerent, as you have already agreed, as already stated by the Supreme Court of Israel...

So, did you have a point to make?

No I thought not...

You can be racist against a race, and legally Jews are a race

You can be racist against a government if your racism stems from a racial POV,

You do hate the Jews as shown by your posts on here that use the term Zionist out of context and to mean something different to its real definition.

Only in one instance, which is the occupation of the west bank. No other instances have been forthcoming or proven.

Yes your continual misuse of the terms Zionist and hasbara point to an overwhelming racial hatred and jealousy of the Jewish people, not that you will accept the views of anyone else of course.

 

[Phoenall]

AND ! ! ! !

Just how does this prove that Israel is belligerent all the time as you claimed. All occupations are classed as belligerent, and in this case from 1967 till 1988 the occupation was of annexed Jordan land.

And it proves that Israel is a belligerent occupier....

If you choose to ignore the facts then thats YOUR issue NOT mine!

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

So when did this happen, give dates and places of this happening, otherwise it is just more of your islamonazi propaganda.

 

[Phoenall]

And it proves that Israel is a belligerent occupier....

If you choose to ignore the facts then thats YOUR issue NOT mine!

It proves nothing of the kind. What you terrorist huggers don't understand is that Israeli annexation of land has been the result of Arab wars of aggression and their humiliating losses.

Here's a bit of enlightenment for you: Israel has a history of returning those spoils of war in exchange for peace.

Pass that on to your pals in whatever Arab/Islamist Death Cult you worship.

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

Not a very big swarm were they as even at the height of Jewish migration to Palestine the arab muslims still outnumbered the Jews 10,000 to 1. So how could the Jews have forced anyone to leave with such demographics against them, you see facts and evidence always show that the pro Palestinians are lying and it is all based on Nazi Jew hatred. The other facts are that the Palestinians were recent migrants themselves and squatted on the land, after the war of independence the arab muslims could not claim refugee status as they were not Palestinian citizens having arrived less than two years prior to the outbreak of the war so the UN had to create a whole new department just for them. The last fact is the one that you pro islamonazi's try and ignore THE JEWS WERE GIVEN THE LAND BY ITS SOVEREIGN OWNERS FOR THEIR NATIONAL HOME IN 1923 AND THIS THEN BECAME INTERNATIONAL LAW.

 

[Phoenall]

Just the opposite , its Israel aggressiveness that causes all the escalation there.

What aggressiveness would that be then, how about some actual cases of Israel being the aggressor and not the defender to islamonazi aggression ?

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Most came from Islamic nations to escape the oppression and atrocities leading up to the war of independence, then a lot were evicted from Islamic nations in 1949. But under the rules of the mandate and later the UN any person resident in Palestine for 2 years automatically became a Palestinian citizen, so the Jews were Palestinians just as much as the arab muslims were.

 

[Phoenall]

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

No what we are saying is that very few arab muslims were actually living in what is now Israel, most were itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. In the years between the wars many muslim farms in the area faced crop failures and poor harvests so the arab muslim workers followed the roads to Palestine on the rumours of easy money for little work and stayed because the crops were flourishing under Jewish/European farming methods. The arab muslims had not had any control or sovereignty over the land since 1099 when they were evicted

 

[Phoenall]

Sure.

How about when the Palestinians were at home minding their own business when a bunch of Zionists came out of Europe and kicked them out of their homes?

I think PF Tinmore said it, the Jews came and displaced the Palestinians into Jordan, Sryia and Lebanon, and when in those countries they fought to get back in their homeland. Like it or not, the Jews came like a swarm of bees and the bees living there had to move or be killed.

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

No what we are saying is that very few arab muslims were actually living in what is now Israel, most were itinerant farm workers that followed the crops. In the years between the wars many muslim farms in the area faced crop failures and poor harvests so the arab muslim workers followed the roads to Palestine on the rumours of easy money for little work and stayed because the crops were flourishing under Jewish/European farming methods. The arab muslims had not had any control or sovereignty over the land since 1099 when they were evicted

 

[Phoenall]

He said it but it ain't true, you asylum escapee. That's just one in a long series of lies or inconvenient omissions associated with the Palestinie bowel movement.

Just where did all those Jews come from then?

Only askin'

Some were already there and their ancestors never left. Some started coming during the Ottoman Empire 600 years before, which is why Jerusalem and some other cities had Jewish majorities in the 1800's. Some came from neighboring Arab lands when Muslims turned Nazi on them. And some came from Europe.

Israel was and is Jewish land. Jews never fully left the land, there was always a presence. The fact that Jews came to join their brethren in Jewish holy land by invitation and permission of first the Ottomans and then the British, THE PEOPLE WHO RULED THE LAND doesn't mean they can't go there. It's like Kurds or Armenians going back to their homeland after being in exile.

The Arabs on the other hand are simply invaders and squatters with no say, perpetrating a hoax in order to destroy the one Jewish state.

So, let's get this straight...

There were no Arabs/Muslims on the land that is now Israel?

That is what you are saying? Right?

That wasn't your question, you asked me "Just where did all those Jews come from then?" I told you when where and how they came. The Arabs had no say as to what was to be decided and who to let in or not to let in. The invading Ottomans defeated the invading Arabs and gained control of Jewish holy land for 700 years, and then the British who defeated the Ottomans gained control of it.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Byzantine period (324–638)

Jews probably constituted the majority of the population of Palestine until the 4th-century, when Constantine converted to Christianity.

Jews lived in at least forty-three Jewish communities in Palestine: twelve towns on the coast, in the Negev, and east of the Jordan, and thirty-one villages in Galilee and in the Jordan valley. The persecuted Jews of Palestine revolted twice against their Christian rulers. In the 5th century, the Western Roman Empire collapsed leading to Christian migration into Palestine and development of a Christian majority. Jews numbered 10–15% of the population. Judaism was the only non-Christian religion tolerated, but there were bans on Jews building new places of worship, holding public office or owning slaves. There were also two Samaritan revolts in this period.[65]

In 438, The Empress Eudocia removed the ban on Jews' praying at the Temple site and the heads of the Community in Galilee issued a call "to the great and mighty people of the Jews": "Know that the end of the exile of our people has come"!

In about 450, the Jerusalem Talmud was completed.

According to Procopius, in 533 Byzantine general Belisarius took the treasures of the Jewish temple from Vandals who had taken them from Rome.

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias.
Middle Ages (636–1517)After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.
In the mid-8th-century, taking advantage of the warring Islamic factions in Palestine, a false messiah named Abu Isa Obadiah of Isfahan inspired and organised a group of 10,000 armed Jews who hoped to restore the Holy Land to the Jewish nation.

In 1039, part of the synagogue in Ramla was still in ruins, probably resulting from the earthquake of 1033. Jews also returned to Rafah and documents from 1015 and 1080 attest to a significant community there.

A large Jewish community existed in Ramle and smaller communities inhabited Hebron and the coastal cities of Acre, Caesarea, Jaffa, Ashkelon and Gaza.[citation needed]Al-Muqaddasi (985) wrote that "for the most part the assayers of corn, dyers, bankers, and tanners are Jews." Under the Islamic rule, the rights of Jews and Christians were curtailed and residence was permitted upon payment of the special tax.

Between the 7th and 11th centuries, Masoretes (Jewish scribes) in the Galilee and Jerusalem were active in compiling a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides of the Hebrew language. They authorised the division of the Jewish Tanakh, known as the Masoretic Text, which is regarded as authoritative till today.

Ottoman rule (1517–1917)

The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses. Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara andSolomon Alkabetz. The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan. A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.
Old YishuvJewish life in the Land of Israel

Key events

• Aliya of Nachmanides (1267)
• Hebron and Safed massacres (1517)
• Revival of Tiberias (1563)
• Sack of Tiberias (1660)
• Hebron massacre (1834)
• Safed attack (1838)
• Jerusalem expansion
• Petach Tikva founded (1878)

Key figures

• Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1313)
• Joseph Saragossi (d. 1507)
• Obadiah MiBartenura (d. 1515)
• Levi ibn Habib (d. 1545)
• Jacob Berab (d. 1546)
• Joseph Nasi (d. 1579)
• Moses Galante (d. 1689)
• Moses ibn Habib (d. 1696)
• Yehuda he-Hasid (d. 1700)
• Haim Abulafia (d. 1744)
• Menachem Mendel (d. 1788)
• Haim Farhi (d. 1820)
• Jacob Saphir (d. 1886)
• Haim Aharon Valero (d. 1923)

• Ramban (1267)

• Abraham Avinu (1540)

• Johanan ben Zakai (1600s)

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state. He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported ayeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshiva of the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[127]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[128] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[129] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[128]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[130] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[130]
Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, RabbanYochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.



The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safed and the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844,some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

Jews were not the first people in Palestine nor were they ever the only people in Palestine.

There is no historic precedence for an exclusive Jewish state.

And your evidence to prove your false claim is what exactly, do remember that when Palestine was first named by the romans there were no Christians or muslims in existence