Esper doesn’t want troops protecting America? Deep state?

[Manonthestreet]

It’s been said esper is against deploying the military in America? Soo we protect Afghanistan but we can’t protect Chicago? Wtf is wrong with the deep
State? Fire this bum!

Def. Sec. Esper reverses course, will keep troops near DC for protests

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Mark Esper has reversed course and decided not to return active-duty troops to their home bases after they were deployed near Washington for possible action in …

nypost.com

I think right now this is the right call

It’s not your grandmother that can’t buy food or get her prescriptions, or you business burned down.

And sending in regulars won't change that.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Who to trust? A 4 star General or a scumbag bone spur moron??

Trust logic and common sense.

Military service does not in itself impart wisdom, nor preclude the possibility of error.

Mattis like most military leadership is prone to be against domestic military interference to the point of stasis. That is not a wise position, particularly when dealing with potentially widespread insurrection fostered by the democrats.

He is a leader of men Puts trust in those he positions in important places He knows what Trump is , a shameful disgusting human being Shame a smart guy like you can't see it

There are many leaders of men. Some good, some bad, and some merely mistaken.

 

[Brain357]

I love how conservatives now want the military called in to crush rights. There is nothing conservative about trumpers...

 

[eddiew]

Who to trust? A 4 star General or a scumbag bone spur moron??

Trust logic and common sense.

Military service does not in itself impart wisdom, nor preclude the possibility of error.

Mattis like most military leadership is prone to be against domestic military interference to the point of stasis. That is not a wise position, particularly when dealing with potentially widespread insurrection fostered by the democrats.

He is a leader of men Puts trust in those he positions in important places He knows what Trump is , a shameful disgusting human being Shame a smart guy like you can't see it

There are many leaders of men. Some good, some bad, and some merely mistaken.

You choose to go to war with the bone spur drunk with power trump I prefer the Gen... Germany had a guy drunk with power too Perhaps you've read about him?

 

[OldLady]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act limit his authority? Require Congress's approval? I don't know. NPR seems to feel he can.

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

But the Posse Comitatus Act would seem to limit that.

Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;

NPR is wrong. The Insurrection Act overrides Posse Comitatus.

NPR says he CAN.

As to whether a state must request the presence of those military forces in the state, that's "not necessarily" the case, according to experts.

A section of the law (§251) says (emphasis ours):

"[T]he President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia."

But the next section (§252) says:

"Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion."

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

He may proceed on his own authority if governors and municipal leaders refuse to do or are otherwise not doing their jobs.

Right. But experienced military leaders are saying that it has not reached the point where they should be called in. I don't know; I'm not in those cities to see what's going on, and the hype getting flung around here is one side of the story or the other, as slanted as CNN ever dreamed of being.

The only thing I worry about is escalating the situation by an overwhelming show of force. If it can be done with the Guard and local PD efforts, it should be. They know what they're about. Just clearing out those protesters in DC half an hour before curfew led to the largest crowds the next day that they've had so far. They stayed peaceful. If some of these other protests have a different attitude it could get uglier.

One of the first things you learn as a teacher is NOT to get into a pissing contest with a student determined to be hostile and defiant. The very human wish to assert authority makes things worse. Believe me, I've tried it. It's human nature to say fuck you, BOTH ways.

 

[OldLady]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Comitatus Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

What's the requirements to use the insurrection act?

What's the definition of insurrection?

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Insurrection refers to an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government. It is a violent revolt against an oppressive authority. Insurrection is different from riots and offenses connected with mob violence.

In insurrection there is an organized and armed uprising against authority or operations of government whereas riots and offenses connected with mob violence are simply unlawful acts in disturbance of the peace which do not threaten the stability of the government or the existence of political society.

The following is a case law defining Insurrection:

Insurrection means “a violent uprising by a group or movement acting for the specific purpose of overthrowing the constituted government and seizing its powers. An insurrection occurs where a movement acts to overthrow the constituted government and to take possession of its inherent powers.” [Younis Bros. & Co. v. Cigna Worldwide Ins. Co., 899 F. Supp. 1385, 1392-1393 (E.D. Pa. 1995)]

He can't use the military for this under the insurrection act,

BECAUSE there is No insurrection.

But he also called the crush of Central Americans at the border last year a "National Emergency" and took funding from the military budget to construct portions of the Wall. Trump doesn't worry about definitions, Care.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act limit his authority? Require Congress's approval? I don't know. NPR seems to feel he can.

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

But the Posse Comitatus Act would seem to limit that.

Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;

NPR is wrong. The Insurrection Act overrides Posse Comitatus.

NPR says he CAN.

As to whether a state must request the presence of those military forces in the state, that's "not necessarily" the case, according to experts.

A section of the law (§251) says (emphasis ours):

"[T]he President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia."

But the next section (§252) says:

"Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion."

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

He may proceed on his own authority if governors and municipal leaders refuse to do or are otherwise not doing their jobs.

Right. But experienced military leaders are saying that it has not reached the point where they should be called in.

I don't recall electing those military leaders to make those decisions.

Not to discount their advice, but they are not the top of the chain.

 

[Coyote]

It’s been said esper is against deploying the military in America? Soo we protect Afghanistan but we can’t protect Chicago? Wtf is wrong with the deep
State? Fire this bum!

Def. Sec. Esper reverses course, will keep troops near DC for protests

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Mark Esper has reversed course and decided not to return active-duty troops to their home bases after they were deployed near Washington for possible action in …

nypost.com

Our President is surrounded by traitors, that's all there is to it. The green communists and Chinese sympathizers are so deeply embedded in the highest halls of our political system that you can't tell a patriot from a Chicom sympathizer. Esper is about to kneel before the rioters and join much of the rest of America in falling on swords of white guilt.

He is surrounded by traitors...well, that's his administration. And he's the head of it.

Esper is a rare voice of rationality.

So burn America down when you have the resources to protect it? Lol And you wonder why Democrats can’t win elections

America's not burning down.

Only in you understanding of the term "America".
You know:
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Can can count on someone to bring up a ridiculous Nazi comparison.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Comitatus Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

There is enough violence to justify the Insurection Act. On the other hand, these are Democrat cities. Letting them burn might be more beneficial than saving them.

 

[lennypartiv]

Things are out of control. It's time for Trump to send the troops in. Anyone with common sense can see that.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Comitatus Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act limit his authority? Require Congress's approval? I don't know. NPR seems to feel he can.

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

But the Posse Comitatus Act would seem to limit that.

Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;

Once invoked by the POTUS the Insurrection Act shits all over Posse Comitatus...we learned this in third grade...why didn't you?

 

[Aldo Raine]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Comitatus Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

tRumptards do not care about the constitution, only what their tangerine Tyrant tells them to care about.

 

[OldLady]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act limit his authority? Require Congress's approval? I don't know. NPR seems to feel he can.

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

But the Posse Comitatus Act would seem to limit that.

Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;

NPR is wrong. The Insurrection Act overrides Posse Comitatus.

NPR says he CAN.

As to whether a state must request the presence of those military forces in the state, that's "not necessarily" the case, according to experts.

A section of the law (§251) says (emphasis ours):

"[T]he President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia."

But the next section (§252) says:

"Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion."

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

He may proceed on his own authority if governors and municipal leaders refuse to do or are otherwise not doing their jobs.

Right. But experienced military leaders are saying that it has not reached the point where they should be called in.

I don't recall electing those military leaders to make those decisions.

Not to discount their advice, but they are not the top of the chain.

And if any of them, like Esper, are still an active part of the command, they will do what the Commander in Chief says. Esper changed his mind yesterday afternoon and decided to keep the troops nearby "just in case they're needed." He might have voiced his opinion but I highly doubt he would refuse the President's order.

 

[lennypartiv]

Wow! Now Repub trumpets don't even believe in our Republic...... amazing how the one bad Apple at the top, spoiled the whole damn bunch.

Yes we care about our country, that's why we want Trump to do whatever is necessary to clear our streets.

 

[OldLady]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Comitatus Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act limit his authority? Require Congress's approval? I don't know. NPR seems to feel he can.

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

But the Posse Comitatus Act would seem to limit that.

Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;

Once invoked by the POTUS the Insurrection Act shits all over Posse Comitatus...we learned this in third grade...why didn't you?

Well, it's all Greek to me. These damned lawyers can't make up their minds. You had one helluva third grade teacher.

 

[eddiew]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Indeed. The Insurrection Act. The one Trump is considering.

Esper's opinion is of no consequence beyond advisory. Attempting to debate the boss in public is a sure path to the exit.

Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act limit his authority? Require Congress's approval? I don't know. NPR seems to feel he can.

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

But the Posse Comitatus Act would seem to limit that.

Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress;

NPR is wrong. The Insurrection Act overrides Posse Comitatus.

NPR says he CAN.

As to whether a state must request the presence of those military forces in the state, that's "not necessarily" the case, according to experts.

A section of the law (§251) says (emphasis ours):

"[T]he President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia."

But the next section (§252) says:

"Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion."

What Is The Insurrection Act That Trump Is Threatening To Invoke?

The 213-year-old law allows a president to "call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing" an insurrection. Trump threatened to deploy the military to states that don't quell violent protests.

www.npr.org

He may proceed on his own authority if governors and municipal leaders refuse to do or are otherwise not doing their jobs.

Right. But experienced military leaders are saying that it has not reached the point where they should be called in.

I don't recall electing those military leaders to make those decisions.

Not to discount their advice, but they are not the top of the chain.

BUT you elected an idiot with one oar in the water

 

[protectionist]

You can't use the military as a police force. It goes against the Posse Comitatus Act. The are only a very few instances where the military can be deployed.

Posse Comitatus Act is nullified when the Insurrection Act is enacted.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It’s been said esper is against deploying the military in America? Soo we protect Afghanistan but we can’t protect Chicago? Wtf is wrong with the deep
State? Fire this bum!

Def. Sec. Esper reverses course, will keep troops near DC for protests

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Mark Esper has reversed course and decided not to return active-duty troops to their home bases after they were deployed near Washington for possible action in …

nypost.com

By the way, did you even bother to read your link? At first, Esper was going to send home 200 troops, but then was called to the WH, and then he changed his mind, and now the troops are going to stay in DC.

Actually, they never were in DC, just "nearby".