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[Curried Goats]

Quantum mechanics seems random until understood. Brush up on the double slit experiment and Einstein’s ‘spooky action.’

Telling me to brush up on something isn't a demonstration of your understanding of that thing. The double slit experiment shows that atoms behave as both a particle and a wave. 'Spooky action' describes an aspect of quantum mechanics that seemingly breaks the speed limit set by Einstein’s theory of Special Relativity. The thing is its not really spooky action at a distance. In the classical way of looking at things if we observe two objects separated by time and space the only way for one to have an effect on the other is for them to interact in some way through matter or energy. Matter or energy must travel through the space between them which takes a certain amount of time. With entangled particles information about one particle can tell you instantly about its entangled pair even if that entangled object is some distance away. This appears to at first to break the cosmic speed limit except it doesn't. If you go back to the double slit theory we know that atoms behave as both particles and waves and entangled objects are like the light or atoms being pushed through the slit. On the other side the waves collide and combine and thats how you get the wave interference pattern on the screen behind the slits. This interference pattern is a representation of the entangled wave function that two entangled objects have. It's not two separate objects exchanging information between one another instantaneously over a distance its one wave function that collapses on any measurement and allows you to know information about any other objects entangled in the same wave function (at that exact moment). Once the wave function collapses the entanglement is broken and they continue on acting like any other classical object.

Anyway.... here a nice short little video that explains the inherent randomness in the universe.

 

[JoeB131]

The British Peppered Moth is the classic example.

Actually, that example was proven to be dubious...

I’d avoid that poster, he HATES people big time

Just the ones trying to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of us.

 

[Leo123]

Telling me to brush up on something isn't a demonstration of your understanding of that thing. The double slit experiment shows that atoms behave as both a particle and a wave. 'Spooky action' describes an aspect of quantum mechanics that seemingly breaks the speed limit set by Einstein’s theory of Special Relativity. The thing is its not really spooky action at a distance. In the classical way of looking at things if we observe two objects separated by time and space the only way for one to have an effect on the other is for them to interact in some way through matter or energy. Matter or energy must travel through the space between them which takes a certain amount of time. With entangled particles information about one particle can tell you instantly about its entangled pair even if that entangled object is some distance away. This appears to at first to break the cosmic speed limit except it doesn't. If you go back to the double slit theory we know that atoms behave as both particles and waves and entangled objects are like the light or atoms being pushed through the slit. On the other side the waves collide and combine and thats how you get the wave interference pattern on the screen behind the slits. This interference pattern is a representation of the entangled wave function that two entangled objects have. It's not two separate objects exchanging information between one another instantaneously over a distance its one wave function that collapses on any measurement and allows you to know information about any other objects entangled in the same wave function (at that exact moment). Once the wave function collapses the entanglement is broken and they continue on acting like any other classical object.

Anyway.... here a nice short little video that explains the inherent randomness in the universe.

I see you Googled it. LOL. What you just described Einstein only called it ‘spooky action’ because he didn’t understand it. The point is, quantum actions follow rules trhat are not random. The fact we don’t know all those rules does not make those actions we can’t explain yet random.

 

[Curried Goats]

I see you Googled it. LOL. What you just described Einstein only called it ‘spooky action’ because he didn’t understand it. The point is, quantum actions follow rules trhat are not random. The fact we don’t know all those rules does not make those actions we can’t explain yet random.

It's not an issue of not having a sensitive enough measurement. In fact it's a feature of quantum states to lose or exit that quantum state when it is measured. Before that it exists in a superposition of all possible states.

 

[Leo123]

It's not an issue of not having a sensitive enough measurement. In fact it's a feature of quantum states to lose in a superposition of all possible states.
It's not an issue of not having a sensitive enough measurement. In fact it's a feature of quantum states to lose or exit that quantum state when it is measured. Before that it exists in a superposition of all possible states.

You just described predictability which is not randomness

 

[Curried Goats]

You just described predictability which is not randomness

Laplace's demon was beaten by Heisenbergs uncertainty principle. On a large scale, what we can see with our naked eyes the universe does appear deterministic but at the smallest scale, at the scale of electrons and atoms it is inherently probabilistic.

 

[Leo123]

Laplace's demon was beaten by Heisenbergs uncertainty principle. On a large scale, what we can see with our naked eyes the universe does appear deterministic but at the smallest scale, at the scale of electrons and atoms it is inherently probabilistic.

Atoms and their electrons are predictable. That’s how we can have elements and even chart them. Now we are finding that particles of atoms also can be predictable. Even quarks have ‘colors.’ Just because we do not yet fully understand our universe does not mean it’s all random. Even collapsing waves upon observation can be predicted.

 

[Curried Goats]

Atoms and their electrons are predictable.

No. They are measurable.

That’s how we can have elements and even chart them. Now we are finding that particles of atoms also can be predictable. Even quarks have ‘colors.’ Just because we do not yet fully understand our universe does not mean it’s all random. Even collapsing waves upon observation can be predicted.

Wrong. You haven't presented any evidence and I've presented plenty from physicist on quantum mechanics that demonstate that until measured, quantum particles exist in a super position of all their possible states and it's impossible to predict which state we will find them in when measured. Try again.

 

[Leo123]

No. They are measurable.

Wrong. You haven't presented any evidence and I've presented plenty from physicist on quantum mechanics that demonstate that until measured, quantum particles exist in a super position of all their possible states and it's impossible to predict which state we will find them in when measured. Try again.

No. They are measurable.

Wrong. You haven't presented any evidence and I've presented plenty from physicist on quantum mechanics that demonstate that until measured, quantum particles exist in a super position of all their possible states and it's impossible to predict which state we will find them in when measured. Try again.

Qubits can be in both 0 and 1 state. ‘Observation’ can change them to 0 or 1. This is predictable and is the basis for quantum computing. Things seem random until explained. Only the simple minded would settle with ‘random.’

 

[Curried Goats]

Qubits can be in both 0 and 1 state. ‘Observation’ can change them to 0 or 1. This is predictable and is the basis for quantum computing. Things seem random until explained. Only the simple minded would settle with ‘random.’

What you can't predict however is whether your measurement will result in a 0 or 1. It only has a probability for either outcome.

 

[Leo123]

What you can't predict however is whether your measurement will result in a 0 or 1. It only has a probability for either outcome.

Since there is no probability of both being the same value, or no value, then it is predictable that the outcome will always be binary.

 

[Curried Goats]

Since there is no probability of both being the same value, or no value, then it is predictable that the outcome will always be binary.

The idea isn't that we know nothing, it's that some things are ultimately unknowable and not because we can't measure it properly but because it's a fundamental feature of the natural world.

 

[Leo123]

The idea isn't that we know nothing, it's that some things are ultimately unknowable and not because we can't measure it properly but because it's a fundamental feature of the natural world.

I think you are making a leap of faith with that statement.