Do We Really Need Guns?

[PGreen]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

 

[TheOldSchool]

I hope you came to the forum with an umbrella big enough for the shitstorm you're about to create if people decide to respond

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Ferguson.

 

[Disir]

It's not relevant. The 2nd Amendment was fully incorporated in 2010. Thus it's a non-issue.

 

[Darkwind]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

So, let Me see if I can gather a respectable summation of the highlights of your arguements.

You don't want people to have guns because they scare you. They scare you because the gun may kill the gun owners. Guns aren't necessary because the local Safeway has everything anyone could ever want. And the "Oh really" argument about defending oneself from government is given with a straight face in light of your very last point of, "It was okay in olden times because it helped protect them from the strongest government in the world.

So, what is it you need explained to you?

I like the "food production" comment. Reminds Me of this....

Would it be rude of Me to ask how old you are?

 

[Bush92]

2nd Amendment is exactly what it is. Ferguson events only highlight the need for law abiding citizens to arm themselves.

 

[AmericanFirst]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

The second ammendment was written to protect the citizens right to bear arms to protect them from a tyrannical government. Are you another one of those anti gun socialist lefty pukes? Learn something before coming here and spouting stupid stuff.

 

[AmericanFirst]

I hope you came to the forum with an umbrella big enough for the shitstorm you're about to create if people decide to respond

Stupidity always brings it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society.

Darren Wilson might disagree.

 

[hadit]

What does "need" have to do with it in the first place? I personally don't want the government or anyone else deciding what I "need" and what I don't. If I want to buy a legal product, I don't have to give a reason for doing it.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society.

Darren Wilson might disagree.

As do I. Now the three beaners that attempted a home invasion robbery against me might agree....

 

[2aguy]

Pcgreen...this is an untrue statement...your stats are wrong...

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder.

actual studies show that the actual indicators are drug or alcohol abuse or a violent home life that leads to the risk...not the weapon...and the study you probably saw...included criminals who killed other criminals, because they knew each other, as deaths in the home....

They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police.

The 20th century actually happened....close to 100 million people were murdered by their governments...as to the silly statement that armed civilians could never stand up to the U.S. military because of their advanced weapons....the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan fought our army to a stand still in only 12 years.....to think our people would simply roll over in the face of government murder is silly.....

 

[OriginalShroom]

Guns Save Lives - Stories of Self Defense

 

[hadit]

Pcgreen...this is an untrue statement...your stats are wrong...

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder.

actual studies show that the actual indicators are drug or alcohol abuse or a violent home life that leads to the risk...not the weapon...and the study you probably saw...included criminals who killed other criminals, because they knew each other, as deaths in the home....

To say nothing of the stellar record concealed carry permit holders have.

 

[2aguy]

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society.

You haven't studied the actual issue....you have only learned one side of the equation....

Each year there are 8-9,00 gun murders a year but there are 1.4 million times a year, on average that guns are used to save lives and stop violent crime....as shown in 19 different studies, conducted by multiple researchers, over a 40 year period...including the clinton Justice dept. that found defensive uses at 1.5 million times a year and the obama CDC that spent 10 million dollars in 2013 and found that guns are used between 500,000 and 3 million times a year to save lives and stop crime....and that is just 2 anti gun studies....

If you are serious, you need to look at more research....

 

[2aguy]

To say nothing of the stellar record concealed carry permit holders have.

Exactly, they have a lower crime rate than the average citizen or even police....that's what the research shows....

 

[Ringel05]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

I would suggest you read The Federalist Papers and everything any other founding father wrote on the subject. I would also suggest you broaden your horizons and realize there is a huge contingent of people who collect firearms and those who shoot for competition (inanimate targets). I would also suggest you read the FBI stats concerning firearm usage by criminals and law abiding citizens for a realistic view of ownership and usage, pro-gun and anti-gun groups seriously skew stats towards their favor.
The final thing I would suggest is study people (history, sociology and psychology) and discover why we all "can't just get along." Mankind is not altruistic by nature and law enforcement statistically observes and prevents about 2% of all crimes committed, you want to rely on law enforcement to protect you?
Once you have done all of that come back and ask the question again, if you still feel you need to.
Oh and I almost forgot. When you read the Federalist Papers read it in the mindset of the founders, how they thought, how they saw things in their perspective, not in context of a modern perspective.

 

[Desperado]

If you believe that "Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country." make guns and hunting obsolete, do you feel that fishing rods should be outlawed too?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It appears PeeGreen is a drive by poster...

 

[WinterBorn]

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

I'll leave the first two points to others, since I have to be somewhere.

As for hunting, yes there is quite a food production in the US. But there are also virtually no predators in most states, so the game animals would be limited only by their food sources. That means, the only limitations on population growth is starvation.

And check with your state's conservation dept and see how much of their budget comes from the fees and special taxes paid by hunters. It is a large portion in most states.