Did early man evolve outside of Africa?

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Ancient skeletons discovered in Georgia could overturn theory of evolution

The Daily Mail

2009-09-10

For generations, scientists have believed Africa was the cradle of mankind.

Now a stunning archaeological discovery suggests our primitive ancestors left Africa to explore the world around 800,000 years earlier than was previously thought before returning to their home continent.

It was there - hundreds of thousands of years later - that they evolved into modern humans and embarked on a second mass migration, researchers say.

Archaeologists have unearthed six ancient skeletons dating back 1.8 million years in the hills of Georgia which threaten to overturn the theory of human evolution.

The Georgian bones - which include incredibly well preserved skulls and teeth - are the earliest humans ever found outside Africa.

The remains belong to a race of short early humans with small primitive brains who walked and ran like modern people.

They were found alongside stone tools, animal remains and plants - suggesting that they hunted and butchered meat.

Prof David Lordkipanidze, the direct of the Georgian National Museum, said: 'Before our findings, the prevailing view was that humans came out of Africa almost 1million years ago, that they already had sophisticated stone tools, and that their body anatomy was quite advanced in terms of brain capacity and limb proportions. But what we are finding is quite different'

He said Africa was still the unchallenged cradle of mankind. But he added: 'Georgia may have been the cradle of the first Europeans.'

Their discovery muddies the already complicated history of mankind.

Archaeologists believe that the first true humans - a race of squat people called Homo habilis - evolved in Africa around 2.5 million years ago. The were followed by a taller athletic species called Homo erectus who migrated out of Africa to colonise Europe and Asia.

Outside Africa their descendents are thought to have died out. But in Africa, they turned into modern man who began a second wave of migration around 120,000 years ago.

The new finds suggest Homo erectus left Africa far earlier than was previously estimated and lived for a while in Eurasia.

The new ancestors - found in Dmanisi - were around 150cm tall, and had brains half the size of modern people's.

'While the Dmanisi people were almost modern in their body proportions, and were highly efficient walkers and runners, their arms moved in a different way and their brains were tiny compared to ours,' he told the British Science Festival at Surrey University.

'Their brain capacity is about 600 cubic centimetres. The prevailing view before this discovery was that the humans who first left Africa had a brain size of about 1,000 cubic centimetres.

'Nevertheless they were sophisticated tool makers with high social and cognitive skills.'

The first Dmanisi fossils were found in 2001. The most recent has only just been unearthed and its details have yet to be published in a scientific journal.

Prof Lordkipanidze said the Dmanisi bones may have belonged to an early Homo erectus which lived in Georgia before moving on to the rest of Europe.

Or the early humans may then have returned to Africa, eventually giving rise to our own species, Homoe sapiens, he said.

'The question is whether Homo erectus orginated in Africa or Eurasia, and if in Eurasia, did we have vice-versa migrations? This idea looked very stupi
 
If the find is correct, it will rewrite most of what we believe about the origins of man on Earth, the current theory places man in the Americas only about 30,000 years ago tops, and no primitive version of him at all.
 
Wrong. Early man came from Africa. Bass said so and I agree. You guys are all racists!

I'm getting a little tired of this "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press" shit. Think of how Bass will feel when he finds this out. He'll be even more enraged than normal.

Listen, even if you think it's a lie, we have to support the argument that Blacks and Africa are the cradle of civilization. Damn the facts! Unless of course you want rioting in the streets.
 
Wrong. Early man came from Africa. Bass said so and I agree. You guys are all racists!

I'm getting a little tired of this "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press" shit. Think of how Bass will feel when he finds this out. He'll be even more enraged than normal.

Listen, even if you think it's a lie, we have to support the argument that Blacks and Africa are the cradle of civilization. Damn the facts! Unless of course you want rioting in the streets.

The question isn't IF man came from Africa, but WHEN man left Africa.

Remember, less than 6% of scientists are Republican so the concept could be considered difficult to understand.
 
I think if we were really given the facts and truth you will find that highly developed humans were alive millions of years ago and certainly never came out of Africa. But the perps keep all that locked away so the sheeple can follow the agenda.
 
Wrong. Early man came from Africa. Bass said so and I agree. You guys are all racists!

I'm getting a little tired of this "freedom of speech" and "freedom of the press" shit. Think of how Bass will feel when he finds this out. He'll be even more enraged than normal.

Listen, even if you think it's a lie, we have to support the argument that Blacks and Africa are the cradle of civilization. Damn the facts! Unless of course you want rioting in the streets.

The question isn't IF man came from Africa, but WHEN man left Africa.

Remember, less than 6% of scientists are Republican so the concept could be considered difficult to understand.
Like a 747...

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...it went right over your head.
 
This will be worth keeping an eye on especially when the refereed journals get the papers from the researchers.

On edit - added:

Georgian fossils 'indicate humans lived in Europe thousands of years earlier'

Early humans may have taken a detour into Eurasia before embarking on their epic journey out of Africa, according to new fossil evidence.Palaeontologists in Georgia have unearthed remains of five primitive humans that date back to 1.8m years ago, suggesting some of our oldest ancestors lived in the region at the time.The partial skeletons, which represent the earliest humans discovered outside Africa, challenge the theory that our ancestors evolved entirely on the continent and left the cradle of humanity only 60,000 years ago.David Lordkipanidze, director of the Georgian National Museum, said the primitive humans were short, with small brains and strongly developed legs. Other remains suggest they lived alongside predators including sabre-toothed cats.The fossils are thought to be early Homo erectus, a forerunner of modern humans, which lived in Africa 2m years ago. Lordkipanidze said some Homo erectus may have left Africa for Eurasia before returning much later.The fossils were uncovered at the Dmanisi arch.

http://www.sciencenewsdaily.org/archaeology-fossils-news/cluster16076552/
 
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If the find is correct, it will rewrite most of what we believe about the origins of man on Earth, the current theory places man in the Americas only about 30,000 years ago tops, and no primitive version of him at all.
Georgia, not Georgia nitwit :eusa_angel:

Excuse me for sticking my oar in here but my reading of Xen's post is that he knows the difference. The reference to humans in the Americas is a follow on from the claims in the article (I think the Daily Mail got some of it wrong by the way).

Anyway just on that, humans are estimated to have arrived here in Australia about 50,000 years ago (give or take a thousand or two). And that sort of accords with the out of Africa theory. I think that's what Xen was saying, that humans - not early hominids but recognisable humans - arrived in the Americas about 30,000 years ago.

It's all very interesting and as I said before, some more info would be very illuminating.

Hey I just thought of something. You could be pulling Xen's leg, in which case:

Wait a minute; it stopped hailing.
Guys are swimming, guys are sailing.
Playing baseball; gee that's better.
Mother, father, kindly disregard this letter!
:lol:
 
Somewhere around Philadelphia, circa 3998 and three quarters BC....

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
 
Somewhere around Philadelphia, circa 3998 and three quarters BC....

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God said "nothing" because God doesn't exist. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
Somewhere around Philadelphia, circa 3998 and three quarters BC....

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

That was a joke right?
 
According to the article:

Archaeologists believe that the first true humans - a race of squat people called Homo habilis - evolved in Africa around 2.5 million years ago. The were followed by a taller athletic species called Homo erectus who migrated out of Africa to colonise Europe and Asia.

Not sure what the point of the thread title is...it certainly doesn't square with the article.
 
This is a highly debated topic. For many years now, different scientists have claimed that the first man has come from a continent other than Africa. Until there is a more universal method of carbon fossil dating, it will be very difficult for anyone to have a definitive answer. However, you can always listen and learn from all scientists discoveries to make your own decision. So mark your calendars for the week of September 22nd. The Global Peace Film Festival will be in Orlando showing the works of 39 film directors from 6 continents. The Global Peace Film Festival will show the films at Rollins College in Winter Park and at University of Central Florida. There are films that address all issues including the questions about the first man. The mission of this festival is to inspire people to take action to combat the atrocities in order to bring peace to the world. Hope to see you there!!
 

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