Democrats will go it alone on healthcare

[Political Junky]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

 

[veritas]

Might as well. The Republicans are just roadblocks and liars.

 

[Dr.House]

Moving all the deck chairs on the Titanic to the left side of the ship...

Funny, but the blue dogs don't seem to be lifting a finger to help them...

 

[jreeves]

Might as well. The Republicans are just roadblocks and liars.

Of course and the lying from the Obama administration is perfectly acceptable. The lefts undying thirst to control its citizens health is ok by you as well. Real reform means controlling costs not peoples lives.

 

[veritas]

Moving all the deck chairs on the Titanic to the left side of the ship...

Funny, but the blue dogs don't seem to be lifting a finger to help them...

I'm sure the blue dogs have legislation they want passed......and guess what? They can take the chance at being obstructionists to a major plank in the dem platform and see what it gets them. They're from states that have more cows than people.

 

[jreeves]

Moving all the deck chairs on the Titanic to the left side of the ship...

Funny, but the blue dogs don't seem to be lifting a finger to help them...

I'm sure the blue dogs have legislation they want passed......and guess what? They can take the chance at being obstructionists to a major plank in the dem platform and see what it gets them. They're from states that have more cows than people.

Politically, they will enjoy support from home. What's your point?

 

[veritas]

Might as well. The Republicans are just roadblocks and liars.

Of course and the lying from the Obama administration is perfectly acceptable. The lefts undying thirst to control its citizens health is ok by you as well. Real reform means controlling costs not peoples lives.

How does lying from Obama have anything to with controlling health? What kind of control are you envisioning?

 

[jreeves]

Might as well. The Republicans are just roadblocks and liars.

Of course and the lying from the Obama administration is perfectly acceptable. The lefts undying thirst to control its citizens health is ok by you as well. Real reform means controlling costs not peoples lives.

How does lying from Obama have anything to with controlling health? What kind of control are you envisioning?

In your previous post you stereotyped Republicans as liars, so Obama lying would show that lying is not a virtue only shared among Republicans. It is clear in the 1000pg.+ bill in the House that the government would control all things health care if that bill was passed.

 

[veritas]

Moving all the deck chairs on the Titanic to the left side of the ship...

Funny, but the blue dogs don't seem to be lifting a finger to help them...

I'm sure the blue dogs have legislation they want passed......and guess what? They can take the chance at being obstructionists to a major plank in the dem platform and see what it gets them. They're from states that have more cows than people.

Politically, they will enjoy support from home. What's your point?

Maybe they won't if the progressives shut down one or more of their little pork roasts, and that is the point, you missed it. Hardball. The progressives are playing it, through emails and letters and donations, not Dick Armey style with old fat stupid people with misspelled signs and Lara Croft gun toting wannabes.

 

[veritas]

Of course and the lying from the Obama administration is perfectly acceptable. The lefts undying thirst to control its citizens health is ok by you as well. Real reform means controlling costs not peoples lives.

How does lying from Obama have anything to with controlling health? What kind of control are you envisioning?

In your previous post you stereotyped Republicans as liars, so Obama lying would show that lying is not a virtue only shared among Republicans. It is clear in the 1000pg.+ bill in the House that the government would control all things health care if that bill was passed.

They are liars. they say they are all for reform, they aren't. They lie. They scare old people with "death panels" and pulling granny's plug and on and on and on. Easy transparent lies.

 

[Dr.House]

Moving all the deck chairs on the Titanic to the left side of the ship...

Funny, but the blue dogs don't seem to be lifting a finger to help them...

I'm sure the blue dogs have legislation they want passed......and guess what? They can take the chance at being obstructionists to a major plank in the dem platform and see what it gets them. They're from states that have more cows than people.

We'll see...

They ARE democratics after all, but some interesting rumblings going on... Actually listening to their constituents... whoda thunk?

 

[jreeves]

How does lying from Obama have anything to with controlling health? What kind of control are you envisioning?

In your previous post you stereotyped Republicans as liars, so Obama lying would show that lying is not a virtue only shared among Republicans. It is clear in the 1000pg.+ bill in the House that the government would control all things health care if that bill was passed.

They are liars. they say they are all for reform, they aren't. They lie. They scare old people with "death panels" and pulling granny's plug and on and on and on. Easy transparent lies.

Maybe they don't envision reform as a takeover health care decisions, just a thought.

 

[jreeves]

I'm sure the blue dogs have legislation they want passed......and guess what? They can take the chance at being obstructionists to a major plank in the dem platform and see what it gets them. They're from states that have more cows than people.

Politically, they will enjoy support from home. What's your point?

Maybe they won't if the progressives shut down one or more of their little pork roasts, and that is the point, you missed it. Hardball. The progressives are playing it, through emails and letters and donations, not Dick Armey style with old fat stupid people with misspelled signs and Lara Croft gun toting wannabes.

We'll see, but it's not the Republicans blocking the nannystate, its blue dog Dems. To that I have to say to the blue dogs....

 

[veritas]

In your previous post you stereotyped Republicans as liars, so Obama lying would show that lying is not a virtue only shared among Republicans. It is clear in the 1000pg.+ bill in the House that the government would control all things health care if that bill was passed.

They are liars. they say they are all for reform, they aren't. They lie. They scare old people with "death panels" and pulling granny's plug and on and on and on. Easy transparent lies.

Maybe they don't envision reform as a takeover health care decisions, just a thought.

What decisions do you think will be usurped, specifically?

 

[Dr.House]

Politically, they will enjoy support from home. What's your point?

Maybe they won't if the progressives shut down one or more of their little pork roasts, and that is the point, you missed it. Hardball. The progressives are playing it, through emails and letters and donations, not Dick Armey style with old fat stupid people with misspelled signs and Lara Croft gun toting wannabes.

We'll see, but it's not the Republicans blocking the nannystate, its blue dog Dems. To that I have to say to the blue dogs....

Sometimes the Defenders of Barry forget that an elected politician's #1 job (in their eyes) is to get re-elected... It will be difficult for them to get re-elected if the majority of people in their district don't support this foray into Marxism...

 

[jreeves]

They are liars. they say they are all for reform, they aren't. They lie. They scare old people with "death panels" and pulling granny's plug and on and on and on. Easy transparent lies.

Maybe they don't envision reform as a takeover health care decisions, just a thought.

What decisions do you think will be usurped, specifically?

What health care coverage you can obtain? Who you will entrust with your health care? Only a couple...

 

[veritas]

Maybe they don't envision reform as a takeover health care decisions, just a thought.

What decisions do you think will be usurped, specifically?

What health care coverage you can obtain? Who you will entrust with your health care? Only a couple...

So far, minimum coverage will be established to exclude pre-existing conditions and mandatory coverage for pregnancy, among other normal medical likelihoods.
So I guess you won't be able to get high deductible limited to catastrophic type insurance. But you can't get kicked off if you get sick either. This extends to private insureds as well. Which is why the Republicans are fighting it. So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete. This is likely to bring the cost of all insurance down. With the public option there is no restriction on providers. You pick your own. Personally public hospitals and teaching hospitals give the best care from my experience. That doesn't mean you have to use them, but you have that option. Private insurance limits participation. Medicare has no restrictions. The VA does, but they are a closed system, their providers are government employees.

You would have a much wider pool of private insurers from which to choose because of the proposed insurance exchange. You could examine costs and benefits in a checklist format and any questions you might have, the exchange would be available to explain it to you. As it is now, comparison shopping for insurance requires a Philadelphia lawyer. The public option would be available to you as well. But all in the same language, all the companies and the providers have to adhere to the same terms, there isn't going to be any fancy footwork with contract or medical terms of art. This will streamline care, payment and record keeping. Instead of filling out endless forms, your Medical ID card will be swiped and you are ready to get treated and your history is there for whomever is seeing you. So if you are unconscious, your allergies and illnesses and medications are all listed. Or if you're just forgetful, or you have a concussion, or you went off your schizo drugs.......

 

[jreeves]

What decisions do you think will be usurped, specifically?

What health care coverage you can obtain? Who you will entrust with your health care? Only a couple...

So far, minimum coverage will be established to exclude pre-existing conditions and mandatory coverage for pregnancy, among other normal medical likelihoods.
So I guess you won't be able to get high deductible limited to catastrophic type insurance. But you can't get kicked off if you get sick either. This extends to private insureds as well. Which is why the Republicans are fighting it. So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete. This is likely to bring the cost of all insurance down. With the public option there is no restriction on providers. You pick your own. Personally public hospitals and teaching hospitals give the best care from my experience. That doesn't mean you have to use them, but you have that option. Private insurance limits participation. Medicare has no restrictions. The VA does, but they are a closed system, their providers are government employees.

You would have a much wider pool of private insurers from which to choose because of the proposed insurance exchange. You could examine costs and benefits in a checklist format and any questions you might have, the exchange would be available to explain it to you. As it So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.is now, comparison shopping for insurance requires a Philadelphia lawyer. The public option would be available to you as well. But all in the same language, all the companies and the providers have to adhere to the same terms, there isn't going to be any fancy footwork with contract or medical terms of art. This will streamline care, payment and record keeping. Instead of filling out endless forms, your Medical ID card will be swiped and you are ready to get treated and your history is there for whomever is seeing you. So if you are unconscious, your allergies and illnesses and medications are all listed. Or if you're just forgetful, or you have a concussion, or you went off your schizo drugs.......

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.Lmao...

Have you heard the term qualified health benefits and the restrictions in care that the House Bill contains?

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.

That's why the bill is over 1000 pages and this is how you would get your coverage...


but I'm sure it will be a lot more simple...

Not to mention health care provider shortages and an erosion of medical technology that this bill will cause.

 

[veritas]

What health care coverage you can obtain? Who you will entrust with your health care? Only a couple...

So far, minimum coverage will be established to exclude pre-existing conditions and mandatory coverage for pregnancy, among other normal medical likelihoods.
So I guess you won't be able to get high deductible limited to catastrophic type insurance. But you can't get kicked off if you get sick either. This extends to private insureds as well. Which is why the Republicans are fighting it. So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete. This is likely to bring the cost of all insurance down. With the public option there is no restriction on providers. You pick your own. Personally public hospitals and teaching hospitals give the best care from my experience. That doesn't mean you have to use them, but you have that option. Private insurance limits participation. Medicare has no restrictions. The VA does, but they are a closed system, their providers are government employees.

You would have a much wider pool of private insurers from which to choose because of the proposed insurance exchange. You could examine costs and benefits in a checklist format and any questions you might have, the exchange would be available to explain it to you. As it So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.is now, comparison shopping for insurance requires a Philadelphia lawyer. The public option would be available to you as well. But all in the same language, all the companies and the providers have to adhere to the same terms, there isn't going to be any fancy footwork with contract or medical terms of art. This will streamline care, payment and record keeping. Instead of filling out endless forms, your Medical ID card will be swiped and you are ready to get treated and your history is there for whomever is seeing you. So if you are unconscious, your allergies and illnesses and medications are all listed. Or if you're just forgetful, or you have a concussion, or you went off your schizo drugs.......

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.Lmao...

Have you heard the term qualified health benefits and the restrictions in care that the House Bill contains?

So you have the public offering and the insurance companies can compete.

That's why the bill is over 1000 pages and this is how you would get your coverage...
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but I'm sure it will be a lot more simple...

Not to mention health care provider shortages and an erosion of medical technology that this bill will cause.

1000 pages is not that much. And I think it will be a lot more simple and encourage innovation on the technological aspects because of the database and comparative effectiveness rating system proposed. The potential uses for the database are incredible.

I don't think there will be a shortage of providers at all. Nothing has shown this to be the case.

 

[Emma]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

About freakin' time. They should have done this at the first peep of lying crap from the right.

Ok. Y'all don't want to debate this issue from a point of reality? Screw you.