Democrats Must Kill The Filibuster And Make The Senate Great Again

skews13

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2017
Messages
4,462
Reaction score
2,526
Points
1,065
As Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 22, the idea that a supermajority encouraged cooperation had proven deceptive: “What at first sight may seem a remedy, is, in reality, a poison.” Rather than encourage cooperation, he prophesied, the effect of requiring “more than a majority” would be “to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of the government, and to substitute the pleasure, caprice or artifices” of a minority to the “regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority.”


Fixing the Supreme Court is the only thing as important.
 

justinacolmena

Gold Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2017
Messages
5,703
Reaction score
1,767
Points
210
Location
alaska, usa
I don't want a chess clock on the Senate floor.

Once upon a time, chess was an intellectually stimulating game that involved deep thought, relaxed attention, and strategy.

Now the game has been destroyed by libraries of opening moves and a 5-minute game clock. A game that used to last over an hour is over in 10 minutes max on a tournament clock.
 

JackOfNoTrades

Diamond Member
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 30, 2019
Messages
9,300
Reaction score
7,952
Points
1,940
Location
Granite State
I don’t think killing the filibuster is a great idea.
I don't either. But McConnell has already laid down the gauntlet and he isn't going to budge...unless Democrats grow a spine and rip that minority veto power from him.
We'll see if they have the backbone to do so. It may be the only way to get things done. Republicans have no idea what they stand for. They have no leadership. No one
who espouses any vision as far as policy. They supported questioning the results of the election and a large number of them supported an insurrection two weeks ago.
All they have is sallow faced turtle in the Senate who is desperately clinging to the last sliver of power he has, hoping he can stall long enough to flip things back to
his side in two years.
 

Staidhup

Gold Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2012
Messages
4,672
Reaction score
1,284
Points
245
Location
PNW
Killing the filibuster is a two edged sword. Another stupid Dimbo proposal that could and will come back to haunt them. The basis for the filibuster was designed to force compromise otherwise kill a bill without vote. The Dimbo’s love to talk about compromise however as has been demonstrated not in their DNA.
 

beautress

Always Faithful
Joined
Sep 28, 2018
Messages
17,415
Reaction score
9,388
Points
1,295
Location
Walker County, TX
I don’t think killing the filibuster is a great idea.
I don't either. But McConnell has already laid down the gauntlet and he isn't going to budge...unless Democrats grow a spine and rip that minority veto power from him.
We'll see if they have the backbone to do so. It may be the only way to get things done. Republicans have no idea what they stand for. They have no leadership. No one
who espouses any vision as far as policy. They supported questioning the results of the election and a large number of them supported an insurrection two weeks ago.
All they have is sallow faced turtle in the Senate who is desperately clinging to the last sliver of power he has, hoping he can stall long enough to flip things back to
his side in two years.
You underestimate the Republicans simply because unlike Schumer and Pelosi, they're not attention whores. They're servants to their constituents, and true to their oaths of office that find them obedient to the United States Constitution and concerned about the well-being of the people in their States as well as fairness to all citizens who support this republic. Now, if they'd institute some comfort to the National Guard rather than putting them to outdoor weather on concrete floors in the harsh January weather, I'd sleep better. Maybe it's the job of another government branch, but they could send a pillow, mat and blanket to the Guards from their own states. Imho.
 

Mad_Jack_Flint

Diamond Member
Joined
Sep 15, 2020
Messages
3,008
Reaction score
2,169
Points
1,903
I don’t think killing the filibuster is a great idea.
Yeah, but some never think about when their political party is out of power about how they could use that old filibuster rule...

Sometimes people need to think before reacting and also if the OP would actually think soon Alito and Thomas will be gone and the bench will be closer back to normal and let me be clear Roberts has swung both ways in rulings...
 

Care4all

Warrior Princess
Joined
Mar 24, 2007
Messages
57,442
Reaction score
15,749
Points
2,220
Location
Maine
I don’t think killing the filibuster is a great idea.
Yeah, but some never think about when their political party is out of power about how they could use that old filibuster rule...

Sometimes people need to think before reacting and also if the OP would actually think soon Alito and Thomas will be gone and the bench will be closer back to normal and let me be clear Roberts has swung both ways in rulings...
True.

What really needs to be done, is to get rid of being able to filibuster, without debate.

Filibuster, was created for EXTENDED DEBATE beyond the Senate rules, so that the minority could hold back the quick passage by the majority on contentious issues.... it gave more time on the floor so the Minority's voices and concerns could be heard.

No bill should be held up via filibuster, without standing and debating the bill...when you stop standing to argue the argument, there has to be a vote.

That's how it worked before they changed it.
 

JackOfNoTrades

Diamond Member
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 30, 2019
Messages
9,300
Reaction score
7,952
Points
1,940
Location
Granite State
I don’t think killing the filibuster is a great idea.
I don't either. But McConnell has already laid down the gauntlet and he isn't going to budge...unless Democrats grow a spine and rip that minority veto power from him.
We'll see if they have the backbone to do so. It may be the only way to get things done. Republicans have no idea what they stand for. They have no leadership. No one
who espouses any vision as far as policy. They supported questioning the results of the election and a large number of them supported an insurrection two weeks ago.
All they have is sallow faced turtle in the Senate who is desperately clinging to the last sliver of power he has, hoping he can stall long enough to flip things back to
his side in two years.
You underestimate the Republicans simply because unlike Schumer and Pelosi, they're not attention whores. They're servants to their constituents, and true to their oaths of office that find them obedient to the United States Constitution and concerned about the well-being of the people in their States as well as fairness to all citizens who support this republic. Now, if they'd institute some comfort to the National Guard rather than putting them to outdoor weather on concrete floors in the harsh January weather, I'd sleep better. Maybe it's the job of another government branch, but they could send a pillow, mat and blanket to the Guards from their own states. Imho.
Republicans haven't been servants to their constituents since the day Barack Obama was elected and McConnell vowed to make him "a one term President". And sitting at the top of that pile is McConnell who is just interested in power. Not actual legislation. As has been pointed out, the filibuster was never meant for bills to be filed in the majority leaders desk, never to be discussed. The only way to move things forward again may be to call McConnell's bluff.
 

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top