Death Penalty Sins Spelled Out In The Bible

[Coyote]

The real question is....what was Satan?

 

[Vandalshandle]

As near as I can tell, God is a republican, but Jesus is a democrat. The jury is still out on what the Holy Ghost is....

I suggest you actually read TNT; you might be prone to reverse your opinion of Jesus.

Here we agree. Jesus was a republican, but Paul was a democrat.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Jesus was a practicing communist.

 

[Indeependent]

As near as I can tell, God is a republican, but Jesus is a democrat. The jury is still out on what the Holy Ghost is....

I suggest you actually read TNT; you might be prone to reverse your opinion of Jesus.

Here we agree. Jesus was a republican, but Paul was a democrat.

Jesus had a temper.
Paul was just a theological pimp.

 

[Indeependent]

The real question is....what was Satan?

God's loyal servant.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The real question is....what was Satan?

 

[presonorek]

Shrimpers are criticized here in North Carolina for disturbing the natural infrastructure necessary for life on the bottom of the ocean. Shrimpers also produce five pounds of bycatch for every pound of shrimp. That is a lot of dead fish and destroyed environment that takes 10+ years to reestablish.

Forbidding the eating of shrimp would discourage people from getting into the shrimping business. Shrimpers are agents of death. The Israelites were respecters of life.

A fish must have fins and scales to be kosher.
If it had anything to do with respect, no animal or fish would be kosher.

Respect?

Post 26 is YOUR post...
"Forbidding the eating of shrimp would discourage people from getting into the shrimping business. Shrimpers are agents of death. The Israelites were respecters of life."

Shrimpers kill five pounds of fish that can't be eaten for every one pound of shrimp harvested. That's a lot of unnecessary death in my observation. Oysters are harvested the same way. The impact of trawling to the wildlife habitat is a consideration too. The destruction of the ocean floor takes years to be restored to its natural state. Do you disagree that the Torah encourages decisions that promote life? and discourage s decision that disregard life? Kind of like shrimp trawling?

 

[fschmidt]

The real question is....what was Satan?

Satan has no ideology and will attach himself to whatever leads to power, kind of like Trump.

 

[presonorek]

The real question is....what was Satan?

God's loyal servant.

I can almost come to that conclusion. Satan may be helping God out but I don't think it is a contractual agreement between the parties. Satan knows his strengths and weaknesses and uses his skills to help God out in a way that very few people can recognise. Antone Szandor Lavey explains this concept in depth with his Satanic Bible.

 

[Indeependent]

Shrimpers are criticized here in North Carolina for disturbing the natural infrastructure necessary for life on the bottom of the ocean. Shrimpers also produce five pounds of bycatch for every pound of shrimp. That is a lot of dead fish and destroyed environment that takes 10+ years to reestablish.

Forbidding the eating of shrimp would discourage people from getting into the shrimping business. Shrimpers are agents of death. The Israelites were respecters of life.

A fish must have fins and scales to be kosher.
If it had anything to do with respect, no animal or fish would be kosher.

Respect?

Post 26 is YOUR post...
"Forbidding the eating of shrimp would discourage people from getting into the shrimping business. Shrimpers are agents of death. The Israelites were respecters of life."

Shrimpers kill five pounds of fish that can't be eaten for every one pound of shrimp harvested. That's a lot of unnecessary death in my observation. Oysters are harvested the same way. The impact of trawling to the wildlife habitat is a consideration too. The destruction of the ocean floor takes years to be restored to its natural state. Do you disagree that the Torah encourages decisions that promote life? and discourage s decision that disregard life? Kind of like shrimp trawling?

Would you like a dissertation on the purpose of every creation?
Every creation has it's purpose.
The forbidden is meant to exercise human kind's expression of appreciation to God.
A cow WANTS to be elevated by becoming part of an entity that serves God.
A tree WANTS to be elevated by becoming part of an entity that serves God.
A grape WANTS to be elevated by becoming part of an entity that serves God.
Good and Bad are defined by God, NOT by man.

 

[Indeependent]

The real question is....what was Satan?

God's loyal servant.

I can almost come to that conclusion. Satan may be helping God out but I don't think it is a contractual agreement between the parties. Satan knows his strengths and weaknesses and uses his skills to help Got out in a way that very few people can recognise. Antone Szandor Lavey explains this concept in depth with his Satanic Bible.

The word Satan means Adversary.
There are an untold number of Adversaries doing God's will all the time.

 

[presonorek]

Adultery (Lev 20:10-12, (man and woman).

• Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deut 22:20-21).

• Making love to a virgin pledged to be married to another. Applies to man who deflowers virgin pledged to be married, and to the virgin if she does not call for help. (Deut 22:23-24).

• The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Lev 21:9).

• Rape of someone who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion. (Deut 22:25).

• Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Lev 20:15)

• Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Lev 20:16)

• Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die). (Lev 20:20).

• Having sex with your daughter in law. (Lev 20:30)

• Incest. (Lev 20:17)

• Male homosexuality. The girls seem to get a free .. errrr ...ride on this one. (Lev 20:13).

• Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death (Lev 20:14)
• Worshiping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
• Blasphemy (Lev 24:14-16,23).
• Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
• Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
• Being a medium or spiritualist. (stoning) (Lev 20:27).
• Trying to convert people to another religion. (stoning) (Deut 13:1-11, 18:20).
• Apostasy - If most people in a town come to believe in a different god. (Kill everybody, including animals, and burn the town.) (Deut 13:12-15)
• Giving one of your descents to Molech. Probably refers to human sacrifice and is not now commonly practiced in the west. (Lev 20:2)
• Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved. (Numb 1:51)
• Being a false prophet. (Deut 132:5, Deut 18:20, Zech 13:2-3)
• Striking your parents (Ex 21:15).
• Cursing your parents (Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9).
• Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) (Quite a few of us might have a problem with this one)(Deut 21:18-21)
• Murder. However if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21). This is part of a wide range of slavery laws in the Old and New Testament.
• Kidnapping and selling a man. This is really a law against making an Israelite a slave against his will. (Ex 21:16).
• Perjury (in certain cases) (Deut 19:15 - 21). Deut 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
• Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deut 17:8-13).
• Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. (Ex 21:29) Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death.
• Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) Deut 20:12-14.
• The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty.
• A male who is not circumcised. Genesis 17:14
• Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Exodus 12:15
• Manufacturing anointing oil. Exodus 30:33
• Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple. Leviticus 17:1-9
• Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
• Consuming blood: This would presumably include eating rare meat and black pudding. Also see above. Leviticus 17:10.
• Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
• Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
• Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13

should we stone you to death for mixing fibers?

Nope. That wasn't punishable by death in Levitical Law either.

 

[Indeependent]

The real question is....what was Satan?

Satan has no ideology and will attach himself to whatever leads to power, kind of like Trump.

Nope.

 

[Indeependent]

Adultery (Lev 20:10-12, (man and woman).

• Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deut 22:20-21).

• Making love to a virgin pledged to be married to another. Applies to man who deflowers virgin pledged to be married, and to the virgin if she does not call for help. (Deut 22:23-24).

• The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Lev 21:9).

• Rape of someone who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion. (Deut 22:25).

• Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Lev 20:15)

• Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Lev 20:16)

• Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die). (Lev 20:20).

• Having sex with your daughter in law. (Lev 20:30)

• Incest. (Lev 20:17)

• Male homosexuality. The girls seem to get a free .. errrr ...ride on this one. (Lev 20:13).

• Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death (Lev 20:14)
• Worshiping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
• Blasphemy (Lev 24:14-16,23).
• Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
• Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
• Being a medium or spiritualist. (stoning) (Lev 20:27).
• Trying to convert people to another religion. (stoning) (Deut 13:1-11, 18:20).
• Apostasy - If most people in a town come to believe in a different god. (Kill everybody, including animals, and burn the town.) (Deut 13:12-15)
• Giving one of your descents to Molech. Probably refers to human sacrifice and is not now commonly practiced in the west. (Lev 20:2)
• Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved. (Numb 1:51)
• Being a false prophet. (Deut 132:5, Deut 18:20, Zech 13:2-3)
• Striking your parents (Ex 21:15).
• Cursing your parents (Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9).
• Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) (Quite a few of us might have a problem with this one)(Deut 21:18-21)
• Murder. However if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21). This is part of a wide range of slavery laws in the Old and New Testament.
• Kidnapping and selling a man. This is really a law against making an Israelite a slave against his will. (Ex 21:16).
• Perjury (in certain cases) (Deut 19:15 - 21). Deut 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you." Presumably all the other death penalties are assumed to be for deterrence as well.
• Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deut 17:8-13).
• Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. (Ex 21:29) Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death.
• Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) Deut 20:12-14.
• The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty.
• A male who is not circumcised. Genesis 17:14
• Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Exodus 12:15
• Manufacturing anointing oil. Exodus 30:33
• Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple. Leviticus 17:1-9
• Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
• Consuming blood: This would presumably include eating rare meat and black pudding. Also see above. Leviticus 17:10.
• Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
• Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
• Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13

should we stone you to death for mixing fibers?

Nope. That wasn't punishable by death in Levitical Law either.

Being Cut Off is a disconnect between a person's soul and God.
The disconnect CAN be repaired.

 

[presonorek]

The real question is....what was Satan?

God's loyal servant.

I can almost come to that conclusion. Satan may be helping God out but I don't think it is a contractual agreement between the parties. Satan knows his strengths and weaknesses and uses his skills to help Got out in a way that very few people can recognise. Antone Szandor Lavey explains this concept in depth with his Satanic Bible.

The word Satan means Adversary.
There are an untold number of Adversaries doing God's will all the time.

In order to obtain power first you have to be hated. If you aren't hated then you are irrelevant. I helped some people get elected by playing the role of adversary in a local election. They thought I hated them but I was actually helping them.

 

[Indeependent]

The real question is....what was Satan?

God's loyal servant.

I can almost come to that conclusion. Satan may be helping God out but I don't think it is a contractual agreement between the parties. Satan knows his strengths and weaknesses and uses his skills to help Got out in a way that very few people can recognise. Antone Szandor Lavey explains this concept in depth with his Satanic Bible.

The word Satan means Adversary.
There are an untold number of Adversaries doing God's will all the time.

In order to obtain power first you have to be hated. If you aren't hated then you are irrelevant. I helped some people get elected by playing the role of adversary in a local election.

It's pretty sad that most people prefer to ignore facts.

 

[presonorek]

Which facts?

 

[presonorek]

It's threads like these that give me immense Simcha that I'm a Jew.

Did I miss the mark with my analysis of Levitical Law. Doesn't it all boil down to making a choice between life and death with every decision you make throughout the day?

Man must be as mindful of God and God's universe as God is of His universe.
The next, and only, acceptable level is being a Noachide.

There is no reference to Noahchide law in the Torah.

There's also no explanation of how to slaughter an animal or make tefillin.

Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?

 

[fschmidt]

Satan has no ideology and will attach himself to whatever leads to power, kind of like Trump.

Nope.

Of course I am referring to the Christian concept of Satan. Satan with a capital "S" (proper noun) has no meaning in the Old Testament.

 

[fschmidt]

There's also no explanation of how to slaughter an animal or make tefillin.

Then why do Kosher butcher's discard the fat and extract the blood from meat?

You are missing Indeependent's standard Talmudic point, that the details aren't covered in the Old Testament. The Talmudic assumption is that people can't think for themselves and therefore every detail must be spelled out as it is in the Talmud.

 

[Indeependent]

Which facts?

Are you awake when you post?
You just mentioned your jobs was to orchestrate a hate campaign.
Hate campaign are rarely fact filled.