David Frum: Republican Waterloo

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LEFT OF THE RIGHT: Health Care Reform... | Gather

March 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT (Updated: March 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT)
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In a historic moment so profound they’re only seen every few decades, the House of Representatives passed the health care bill Sunday evening by a margin of 219 to 212. Most Republicans are saying it will be detrimental to the Democrats in Novembers elections because (in their words,) “the American people are against this bill.” But a more moderate and reasonable voice on the Right sees last nights vote very differently.

Conservative pundit, columnist, and speech writer for President Bush, David Frum says the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for what he called their “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.” Mr. Frum posted an article Monday morning laying out the reasons the Republican strategy of “no cooperation” has amounted to a Waterloo for the GOP rather than Obama.

In his article Frum points out that it was the Right Wing talking heads that painted the Republicans into a proverbial corner. With Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck describing the Democrats as Nazi’s who want to kill your grandmother, how can you negotiate with someone like that. He also said the Republican hopes for regaining seats in the upcoming elections in November may be over-optimistic. “once people start receiving the goodies from the health care bill” it’s going to be pretty hard to run against that. And even if the Republicans do pull off another 1994 landslide, repealing the bill will be impossible. How do you tell seniors we’re going to put the hole back in the donut? How can you tell the 25 year old we’re going to take your health insurance away? You’re not says Mr. Frum.

As devastating as David Frum’s comments about the Republican’s strategy during this debate is, this correspondent believes the negative tone and tolerance for and encouragement of the TEA Party protestors will be even more difficult for the GOP to overcome this November. All week reports of TEA Party protesters yelling racial epitaphs at black legislators and even spitting on one were all over the news stations. And one Republican actually yelled “baby killer” at representative Stupac when he stood up to announce he would oppose the motion to re-commit forwarded by the Republicans.

History has shown us that candidates for office that exude an angry and negative tone don’t do well in elections. And if the Republicans believe they can win in November on a “repeal the health care bill” platform, I’m afraid their hopes for regaining the majority will fall the way of their effort to kill the health care bill.

The reconciliation portion of the bill still needs to be passed by the Senate. But for all intents and purposes the bill will soon be the law of the land. And despite what the Republicans are saying, the sun will still rise every morning and the United States of America will continue to be the worlds bastion of freedom, liberty, and opportunity.
 
LEFT OF THE RIGHT: Health Care Reform... | Gather

March 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT (Updated: March 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT)
views: 3030 | 12 people recommend this | comments: 52

In a historic moment so profound they’re only seen every few decades, the House of Representatives passed the health care bill Sunday evening by a margin of 219 to 212. Most Republicans are saying it will be detrimental to the Democrats in Novembers elections because (in their words,) “the American people are against this bill.” But a more moderate and reasonable voice on the Right sees last nights vote very differently.

Conservative pundit, columnist, and speech writer for President Bush, David Frum says the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for what he called their “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.” Mr. Frum posted an article Monday morning laying out the reasons the Republican strategy of “no cooperation” has amounted to a Waterloo for the GOP rather than Obama.

In his article Frum points out that it was the Right Wing talking heads that painted the Republicans into a proverbial corner. With Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck describing the Democrats as Nazi’s who want to kill your grandmother, how can you negotiate with someone like that. He also said the Republican hopes for regaining seats in the upcoming elections in November may be over-optimistic. “once people start receiving the goodies from the health care bill” it’s going to be pretty hard to run against that. And even if the Republicans do pull off another 1994 landslide, repealing the bill will be impossible. How do you tell seniors we’re going to put the hole back in the donut? How can you tell the 25 year old we’re going to take your health insurance away? You’re not says Mr. Frum.

As devastating as David Frum’s comments about the Republican’s strategy during this debate is, this correspondent believes the negative tone and tolerance for and encouragement of the TEA Party protestors will be even more difficult for the GOP to overcome this November. All week reports of TEA Party protesters yelling racial epitaphs at black legislators and even spitting on one were all over the news stations. And one Republican actually yelled “baby killer” at representative Stupac when he stood up to announce he would oppose the motion to re-commit forwarded by the Republicans.

History has shown us that candidates for office that exude an angry and negative tone don’t do well in elections. And if the Republicans believe they can win in November on a “repeal the health care bill” platform, I’m afraid their hopes for regaining the majority will fall the way of their effort to kill the health care bill.

The reconciliation portion of the bill still needs to be passed by the Senate. But for all intents and purposes the bill will soon be the law of the land. And despite what the Republicans are saying, the sun will still rise every morning and the United States of America will continue to be the worlds bastion of freedom, liberty, and opportunity.

very good post, and informative too.
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If the Dems didn't pass this bill, they would have lost in November.

NOW, they only have to debate against liars who clearly don't want what is right for middle class Americans.

They defend the out of control insurance companies and oil companies.

They wanted GM and Chrysler to die. Imagine how bad things would have gotten if that happened?

And Obama's stimulus package is working.

Now the Dems will focus on job creation for the rest of the year. And the GOP will fight us on all of our ideas, and they will be punished at the polls.

I was worried for a while there that the Dems were going to not get anything done and then that would have resulted in certain defeats this November. Now, the GOP have to stick with their position, which happens to be wrong.

But if the Dems didn't get healthcare passed, not only would the GOP say our ideas were wrong, they would also say that we couldn't get anything done.

Now they can't claim the Dems did nothing, because we did something very major. Now they can only continue to lie and tell people how bad this healthcare bill is.

But then they won't vote to fix any of the problems that exist, because that would be helping Obama and all they care about is sabotaging the man.
 
If the Dems didn't pass this bill, they would have lost in November.

NOW, they only have to debate against liars who clearly don't want what is right for middle class Americans.

They defend the out of control insurance companies and oil companies.

They wanted GM and Chrysler to die. Imagine how bad things would have gotten if that happened?

And Obama's stimulus package is working.

Now the Dems will focus on job creation for the rest of the year. And the GOP will fight us on all of our ideas, and they will be punished at the polls.

I was worried for a while there that the Dems were going to not get anything done and then that would have resulted in certain defeats this November. Now, the GOP have to stick with their position, which happens to be wrong.

But if the Dems didn't get healthcare passed, not only would the GOP say our ideas were wrong, they would also say that we couldn't get anything done.

Now they can't claim the Dems did nothing, because we did something very major. Now they can only continue to lie and tell people how bad this healthcare bill is.

But then they won't vote to fix any of the problems that exist, because that would be helping Obama and all they care about is sabotaging the man.

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Uh-huh Ted Kennedy's seat isn't occupied by a Republican....
The dems didn't lose in NJ & VA...

Thankfully some folks need to learn the hard way. We'll see in 2010 and 2012 which party loses power...
 
Uh-huh Ted Kennedy's seat isn't occupied by a Republican....
The dems didn't lose in NJ & VA...

Thankfully some folks need to learn the hard way. We'll see in 2010 and 2012 which party loses power...

Ted Kennedy didn't own any seat. He won with votes.

Scott Brown is no true blue Conservative.

baaaaaaaaah, baaaaaaaaaaaaah, baaaaaaaaah...

wait and see.
 
Uh-huh Ted Kennedy's seat isn't occupied by a Republican....
The dems didn't lose in NJ & VA...

Thankfully some folks need to learn the hard way. We'll see in 2010 and 2012 which party loses power...
The party in power famously loses some seats in the midterms.
After his triumph yesterday, Obama will easily win reelection against the likes of Palin or Romney.
 
Uh-huh Ted Kennedy's seat isn't occupied by a Republican....
The dems didn't lose in NJ & VA...

Thankfully some folks need to learn the hard way. We'll see in 2010 and 2012 which party loses power...

Some trend

In the last year the Republicans lost one Senate seat in PA and regained one Senate Seat in Mass

They lost one House seat in NY
 
The democrats made it crystal clear that they don't care what the american public wants, and pissed off the vast majority of the american public.

They may have won the battle, but it will cause them to lose the war.
 
The democrats made it crystal clear that they don't care what the american public wants, and pissed off the vast majority of the american public.

They may have won the battle, but it will cause them to lose the war.

The Democrats won the battle


The American People won the war


Republicans are once more on the wrong side of history
 
The Democrats actually did something here very clever. Many of the first things in the bill that kick off are "traditionally" Republican or items Republicans are sympathetic.

Help for small businesses
Tax Credits

Some things Republicans have never had in interest in but will have a difficult time campaigning against:
Kids attending college keeping their parents insurance all the way up to a Doctorate (or age 26)
Pre existing condition covered for children.

It will be interesting to see how they campaign against these things, especially since it will become apparent the lies they told. Government will dictate treatment for patients (death panels), people will lose coverage. And there is a long time before the elections. Everyone will know the lies.
 
The democrats made it crystal clear that they don't care what the american public wants, and pissed off the vast majority of the american public.

They may have won the battle, but it will cause them to lose the war.

The Democrats won the battle


The American People won the war


Republicans are once more on the wrong side of history

Since the american people are stalwartly agains the democrats' takeover of health care and their communist agenda, and ultimately democracy will win, despite the democrats' attack on democracy, the democrats will lose the war and the american people will win the war.
 
The democrats made it crystal clear that they don't care what the american public wants, and pissed off the vast majority of the american public.

They may have won the battle, but it will cause them to lose the war.

The Democrats won the battle


The American People won the war


Republicans are once more on the wrong side of history

Since the american people are stalwartly agains the democrats' takeover of health care and their communist agenda, and ultimately democracy will win, despite the democrats' attack on democracy, the democrats will lose the war and the american people will win the war.

Americans have consistently supported healthcare reform in poll after poll. The only polls that show opposition are those that combine the number of people who think the reform doesn't do enough with those who think it does too much
 
Here is what Frum said.

The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Waterloo | FrumForum

Also

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
 
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Here is what Frum said.

The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Waterloo | FrumForum

Heritage Foundation? Aren't they a group of socialists or som-OWAI.

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Hannitit had the rasmussen people on a couple weeks ago and they said "at this rate" the dems would hold serve in both houses.
 
Hannitit had the rasmussen people on a couple weeks ago and they said "at this rate" the dems would hold serve in both houses.

If the economy continues to improve, they will.

Obama is building up quite the resume to present to the American People if he runs for reelection in 2012.
 
Hannitit had the rasmussen people on a couple weeks ago and they said "at this rate" the dems would hold serve in both houses.

If the economy continues to improve, they will.

white house recently said the unemployment rate will remain 9-10 percent in the near future.
plus hanitit likes to get people riled up so who knows. i had him on for five minutes and he was talking about their appearance.
 

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