Cuomo Claims Ordering Positive COVID Patients To Nursing Homes Did Not Spread The Virus
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Cecilie1200
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Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.www.statista.com
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataVizwww.heritage.org
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
Is Covid-19 contagious, or isn't it? Are elderly people particularly vulnerable to it, or aren't they?
That's what makes this attempt to excuse Cuomo on nursing home deaths stupid.
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That means Cuomo didnt follow CDC guidelines, shitforbrains. He ORDERED NO EXCEPTIONS.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:It's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
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Leftards are just plain evil.
Cecilie1200
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They just invent lies to protect their masters. Stockholm Syndrome.You are spinning------------none other (well besides WHITMER and few other murdering dem governors----forced nursing homes to take in the infected and they were following federal health guidelines---but cuomo who was demanding that billions $$$ be sent to New York because of all the infected did. Stop making excuses--stop lying. NO CDC or federal code says to put deadly virus infected people into nursing homes.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You really are a idiot, and you've become completely unhinged since Trump lost the election. You're projecting your obidiece and fealty to Trump onto others. You're attacking Cuomo, because that's what your Orange God wants you to do. You can't even articulate WHY you're attacking Cuomo, other than to spout right wing talking points.
You can't even properly defend your reasons for attacking Cuomo, but you do it. Every member of the Trump Cult on this board is doing it like a hive mind. Relentlessly. Why? Can you tell us why you're attacking Cuomo?
"Well . . . well . . . well, TRRUUUUMP!! So I win!!!"
Tell us about "properly defending" when you have something to say besides, "TRRRRUUUUMMMP!!"
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Yes, and every time it was posted it exposed you as a liar.It's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
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- Oct 7, 2019
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Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:It's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
Should isn't a mandate like Benito Cuomo's mandate, Stupid.
And it clearly says individuals from hospitals where there is a case of covid. It doesn't say people infected with covid, like Benito Cuomo's mandate.
jbrownson0831
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- Jul 27, 2020
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Libbers gotta defend the Godfather....Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:It's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
Should isn't a mandate like Benito Cuomo's mandate, Stupid.
And it clearly says individuals from hospitals where there is a case of covid. It doesn't say people infected with covid, like Benito Cuomo's mandate.
You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
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CDC doesn't say anything about admitting people WITH the China Flu.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
Should, is not a choice like Could, or may or can.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:It's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
Should isn't a mandate like Benito Cuomo's mandate, Stupid.
And it clearly says individuals from hospitals where there is a case of covid. It doesn't say people infected with covid, like Benito Cuomo's mandate.
I'm done with you and your cult of drama queen liars on this thread..... believe the lies you're told to believe, you are being intellectually dishonest and that's that.....
Okee Dokee, you just are too challenged with reading comprehension....CDC doesn't say anything about admitting people WITH the China Flu.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
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Quote the exact words in the CDC guidelines saying Covid infected patients.Okee Dokee, you just are too challenged with reading comprehension....CDC doesn't say anything about admitting people WITH the China Flu.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
GO!
Nostra
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I've been telling you you SHOULD stop lying. That isn't a command, idiot.Should, is not a choice like Could, or may or can.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present.Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:It's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
Should isn't a mandate like Benito Cuomo's mandate, Stupid.
And it clearly says individuals from hospitals where there is a case of covid. It doesn't say people infected with covid, like Benito Cuomo's mandate.
I'm done with you and your cult of drama queen liars on this thread..... believe the lies you're told to believe, you are being intellectually dishonest and that's that.....
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Quote me the New York Directive that says nursing homes can refuse patients just because they have Covid.Okee Dokee, you just are too challenged with reading comprehension....CDC doesn't say anything about admitting people WITH the China Flu.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
GO!
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Topic is what Cuomo ordered, shitforbrains.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
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Nursing homes COULD refuse patients if they declared that they didn't have facilities in which to isolate them.
The problem was that they were SUPPOSED to have those facilities and would have to admit their failure in that regard to refuse admission.
The problem was that they were SUPPOSED to have those facilities and would have to admit their failure in that regard to refuse admission.
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Quote the exact words in the CDC guidelines saying Covid infected patients.Okee Dokee, you just are too challenged with reading comprehension....CDC doesn't say anything about admitting people WITH the China Flu.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
GO!
As always, we are not responsible for your intellectual deficiencies. If you can’t read it and understand it that’s your problem. If you are this stupid you need to go back to school
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So you can't quote the exact words saying that either.Quote the exact words in the CDC guidelines saying Covid infected patients.Okee Dokee, you just are too challenged with reading comprehension....CDC doesn't say anything about admitting people WITH the China Flu.You just can't fix brainwashed folks like you....LIARIt's been posted, in this very thread, in posts to you and weatherman at least 5 to 10 TIMES.....It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?He killed all 15000, eh?Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.Boring.... you need some new material....Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.READ the article you posted above in full....The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....
NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.
But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....
Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.
It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?
Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
I am not defending.
What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?
And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,
How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?
Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?
We need to figure this out, it's important!
You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.
As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.
Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...
It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!
In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.
So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.
THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?
That is why an investigation is needed!
It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?
We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....
Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223
Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation
Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz
That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.
The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.
The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.
COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista
As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.
That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”
HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,
BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....
That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.
It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.
I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)
Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.
No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.
We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???
Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?
Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.
YOU and trumper ilk, continue endlessly to IGNORE the link and the cut and paste of the CDC on it.
WHY ARE YOU and ilk, ignoring it? Do you really need me to find it again and paste it for the 11th TIME?
You haven’t provided one quote or link. You’re just an evil sub creature.
Nursing homes should take in from hospitals
..... patients who had covid, or where they still have covid present should not be a reason for a resident admission request, be denied.
Go in to the link and click on link in the copy for the pdf of the guidelines
Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •
GO!
As always, we are not responsible for your intellectual deficiencies. If you can’t read it and understand it that’s your problem. If you are this stupid you need to go back to school
Dismissed, moron.
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