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And then there is the super alien theory in which a race of super aliens, collective know as God run around the cosmos creating universes. I think my super alien idea is just as likely as anything else we have discussed.
Where did THEY come from?
 

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Where did THEY come from?
The Super Aliens move back and forth in time and space thus we see them as eternal. However, I suppose they could be creations of another super race but I'll have to give that some thought after another Martini.
 
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The Super Aliens move back and forth in time and space thus we see them as eternal. However, I suppose they could be creations of another super race but I'll have to give that some thought after another Martini.
Meh. It all just begs the question: where did they/it come from?

To break that infinite regression, we imagine some beginning. It begins by something that defies what we imagine we “know:”

Something Or Someone got itself all “created” prior to itsellf.

but … still. Kudos on that drink idea.
 

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You can believe anything you want, but you seem to enjoy believing in lies.

Oh really now?

Any comment on this lie then?

I'm no geologist, but do understand uniformitarianism vs. catastrophism and the errors in radiometric dating.

If there is no religious prefix to science, then stop believing in atheist science such as evolution. Atheism is a religion. At least, I am smart enough to realize our religion influences our science. The facts are that science backs up the Bible even though it isn't a science book. Also, nothing backs up evolution nor atheism. It's just a fake religious belief.

Here's evidence that debunks evolution. Prehistoric cave art of humans and dinosaurs living together.

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Which as I pointed out before, is not in Kuwait, but in the Chauvet cave in France.

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But the rest of us believe "lies".
 

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The Universe

Talk about "The Universe" is ambiguous. At the most cursory level it can be presumed that one is referring to either the "known" universe or the entire business, whatever that may be. Lots left to discover and discuss within the confines of the former while all the gesticulation and pontification about what lies beyond the scientifically "known" part clearly amounts to just that. However, we can at least apply some logic to rule some in and some out. Can't we? Fun stuff.

For instance, under "Universe" Wikipedia immediately states the following:
"The universe (Latin: universus) is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy."

Okay, so now I'm literally being told that not only space, but also time.. is a form of matter and energy, apparently containing at least planets, stars, and galaxies among other things. <-- Time, that is.. Really? I mean, it's a really long section.. We just got the thing rolling, fellas.. And you've already done gone and steered it hopelessly far from any logical lanes.. Jesus! I call interference!
 

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The Universe

Talk about "The Universe" is ambiguous. At the most cursory level it can be presumed that one is referring to either the "known" universe or the entire business, whatever that may be. Lots left to discover and discuss within the confines of the former while all the gesticulation and pontification about what lies beyond the scientifically "known" part clearly amounts to just that. However, we can at least apply some logic to rule some in and some out. Can't we? Fun stuff.

For instance, under "Universe" Wikipedia immediately states the following:
"The universe (Latin: universus) is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy."

Okay, so now I'm literally being told that not only space, but also time.. is a form of matter and energy, apparently containing at least planets, stars, and galaxies among other things. <-- Time, that is.. Really? I mean, it's a really long section.. We just got the thing rolling, fellas.. And you've already done gone and steered it hopelessly far from any logical lanes.. Jesus! I call interference!
Time is considered a coordinate in the universe. According to the prevailing cosmological model of the Big Bang theory, time itself began as part of the entire Universe about 13.8 billion years ago. I suppose that means my alarm clock would not work before the big bang but that's ok, since it wouldn't be needed.
 

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Meh. It all just begs the question: where did they/it come from?

To break that infinite regression, we imagine some beginning. It begins by something that defies what we imagine we “know:”

Something Or Someone got itself all “created” prior to itsellf.

but … still. Kudos on that drink idea.
You began this thread with the question But where did the initial super tiny blob of whatever it was come from?
I don't remember anybody giving a real answer so I will. I don't know. Further no one else does either.
 
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You began this thread with the question But where did the initial super tiny blob of whatever it was come from?
I don't remember anybody giving a real answer so I will. I don't know. Further no one else does either.
I think your answer is honest. I also assume that you are correct that nobody really knows. At least not yet.
 

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I think your answer is honest. I also assume that you are correct that nobody really knows. At least not yet.
The new James Webb Space Telescope which I believe should be in operational this summer should give us some answers to questions about creation of the universe. The data it collects will allow earthbound scientists to better understand the formation of stars and galaxies just after the big bang. As a NASA engineer said, “When the lights turned on in the universe, that’s what Webb is trying to see,”. Seeing the very beginning of the Universe should give us insight into creation.
 

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Oh really now?

Any comment on this lie then?



Which as I pointed out before, is not in Kuwait, but in the Chauvet cave in France.

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But the rest of us believe "lies".
Sure, you believe in lies if you're atheist or believe in evolution. I had the wrong cave, but it and other prehistoric cave paintings and art work around the world shows dinosaurs and humans lived together.
 

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Sure, you believe in lies if you're atheist or believe in evolution. I had the wrong cave, but it and other prehistoric cave paintings and art work around the world shows dinosaurs and humans lived together.
And so does the old movie One Million B.C. so it must be true
 

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Sure, you believe in lies if you're atheist or believe in evolution. I had the wrong cave, but it and other prehistoric cave paintings and art work around the world shows dinosaurs and humans lived together.

Uh-huh. Well, let me know when you find the right cave then.

But really, "it and other prehistoric cave paintings", even though I already proved beyond a doubt it was a lie?
 

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Time is considered a coordinate in the universe.
I consider it our primary coordinate or measure of space. Again, all is silliness when talking about "the universe" without specificity. The James Webb telescope will undoubtedly tell us more about the Big Bang, but it likely won't inform us any better about the vastness that may have existed at a distance prior and that which may still exist far beyond our powers of observation. It's always simply presumed that we must be at the center of the action, but there's no actual reason to believe other Big Bangs haven't gone on before and haven't been going on elsewhere since ours. Multiple "initial blobs." We don't know. Can't tell.

The Hubble 2 allows us to see seemingly endless galaxies upon galaxies. However, just how far back in time the most seemingly distant were created seems to amount to a highly biased crap shoot. Cosmologists, being only human, are prone to argue they all must be products or local our Bang, but how will one ever really be able to tell for sure? And we'll likely just see countless more when the Webb gets busy. No end to them. Given the reported acceleration of the continuing expansion, the furthest most likely have already permanently disappeared from our powers of observation due to travelling faster than c away from us.

As has been noted here, cosmologists currently generally "consider" our local "universe" spherical, expanding, and flat. Given spherical, it must have a center somewhere and a maximum volume limited to the sum of its expansions. This volume's radius being measured back in "time" to the Bang in light years. This is why I call it our "primary" coordinate or measure of space. One could theoretically use yardsticks, but it would be mighty clumsy and slow by comparison.
I don't know. Further no one else does either.
Bingo.
 

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Anthropocentrism keeps us busy shooting ourselves in the foot. We desperately want to believe it's all about us and us alone. That we are unique, powerful, and important. We just need a bigger telescope to seal the deal.. A more massive antenna array.. A $100 trillion atom smasher will surely do the trick..

Nope.
 

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Uh-huh. Well, let me know when you find the right cave then.

But really, "it and other prehistoric cave paintings", even though I already proved beyond a doubt it was a lie?
This is more important as the evidence adds to that which would destroy evolution. What it shows is that Neanderthals or so-called "prehistoric" humans were advanced in art. That doesn't follow the evolution theory of Neanderthals.
 

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