COVID-19: Extreme Measures or Moderate Measures? Two Cases to Study

[mikegriffith1]

Let's compare Sweden and France's COVID-19 numbers to see if France's drastic measures have produced lower case and death numbers than have Sweden's moderate measures. We'll do this by adjusting Sweden's numbers according to France's population size. So far Sweden has declined to take extreme measures. France began taking extreme measures on March 12 and is still under lockdown. France's population is 6.549 times larger than Sweden's. So we can see what Sweden's numbers would be if Sweden's population were the same size as France's population. We will see that Sweden's approach has been much more successful than France's approach.

Here are the NON-adjusted numbers:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ---- FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 1,167/3 ------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 1,746/20 ---- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 2,272/36 ---- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 3,046/92 ---- 34,542/1,992
April 02 --- 4,947/239 ----- 56,261/4,019
April 07 --- 7,206/477 ----- 73,488/8,896

Sweden's numbers multiplied by 6.549 to match France's population size:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ------ FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 7,643/20 --------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 11,435/131 ----- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 14,879/236 ----- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 19,948/603 ----- 34,542/1,992
April 02 ----- 32,398/1,565 --- 56,261/4,019
April 07 ----- 47,192/3,124 ----73,488/8,896

Thus, as of yesterday, if we assume Sweden's population is the same size as France's and adjust Sweden's numbers accordingly, Sweden had 47,192 cases to France's 73,488 cases, and Sweden had 3,124 deaths to France's 8,896 deaths. Clearly, France's extreme measures have not worked as well as Sweden's moderate measures.

I wanted to do this comparison because it is now certain that within the next few days Sweden will adopt many of the extreme measures that some other nations have adopted. Why? Because Sweden has seen a sharp rise in COVID-19 deaths over the last six days (most of them among the elderly) and because other EU nations and many scientists have been pressuring Sweden for weeks to take extreme measures.

Even though Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are still only a tiny fraction of the population, the psychological effect of the increase in deaths, coupled with the pressure to adopt stricter measures, has persuaded a majority of Sweden's leaders to abandon their moderate approach, and they are now discussing taking stronger measures.

Sweden made only one big mistake in its moderate response to the virus: Sweden did not impose any restrictions on the elderly. Most of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths--about 83%--have been among people aged 70 and above. If Sweden had imposed strict measures on the elderly, its number of deaths would be vastly lower.

 

[Maxdeath]

I like your numbers and idea BUT you failed to take into account that a higher population means more people coming into contact with each other on a daily basis. Which could skew the numbers you are supposing.

I get the whole South Korea vs the United States thing that some try to use to compare responses. But their numbers are completely skewed also. Because they are trying to compare watermelons to grapes.

 

[Dragonlady]

Let's compare Sweden and France's COVID-19 numbers to see if France's drastic measures have produced lower case and death numbers than have Sweden's moderate measures. We'll do this by adjusting Sweden's numbers according to France's population size. So far Sweden has declined to take extreme measures. France began taking extreme measures on March 12 and is still under lockdown. France's population is 6.549 times larger than Sweden's. So we can see what Sweden's numbers would be if Sweden's population were the same size as France's population. We will see that Sweden's approach has been much more successful than France's approach.

Here are the NON-adjusted numbers:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ---- FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 1,167/3 ------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 1,746/20 ---- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 2,272/36 ---- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 3,046/92 ---- 34,542/1,992
April 02 --- 4,947/239 ----- 56,261/4,019
April 07 --- 7,206/477 ----- 73,488/8,896

Sweden's numbers multiplied by 6.549 to match France's population size:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ------ FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 7,643/20 --------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 11,435/131 ----- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 14,879/236 ----- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 19,948/603 ----- 34,542/1,992
April 02 ----- 32,398/1,565 --- 56,261/4,019
April 07 ----- 47,192/3,124 ----73,488/8,896

Thus, as of yesterday, if we assume Sweden's population is the same size as France's and adjust Sweden's numbers accordingly, Sweden had 47,192 cases to France's 73,488 cases, and Sweden had 3,124 deaths to France's 8,896 deaths. Clearly, France's extreme measures have not worked as well as Sweden's moderate measures.

I wanted to do this comparison because it is now certain that within the next few days Sweden will adopt many of the extreme measures that some other nations have adopted. Why? Because Sweden has seen a sharp rise in COVID-19 deaths over the last six days (most of them among the elderly) and because other EU nations and many scientists have been pressuring Sweden for weeks to take extreme measures.

Even though Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are still only a tiny fraction of the population, the psychological effect of the increase in deaths, coupled with the pressure to adopt stricter measures, has persuaded a majority of Sweden's leaders to abandon their moderate approach, and they are now discussing taking stronger measures.

Sweden made only one big mistake in its moderate response to the virus: Sweden did not impose any restrictions on the elderly. Most of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths--about 83%--have been among people aged 70 and above. If Sweden had imposed strict measures on the elderly, its number of deaths would be vastly lower.

Lets compare Canada and the USA. Both had their first case of Covid19 on the same day. Trump banned non-business flights from China, but the reality is that there were so many loopholes and exceptions to the travel "ban" that one critic called it a "travel Band-Aid, not a ban". Over 400,000 people have arrived in the USA from China since the "ban", and with no testing on new arrivals, basically Donal Trump allowed the pandemic to happen.

 

[U2Edge]

Let's compare Sweden and France's COVID-19 numbers to see if France's drastic measures have produced lower case and death numbers than have Sweden's moderate measures. We'll do this by adjusting Sweden's numbers according to France's population size. So far Sweden has declined to take extreme measures. France began taking extreme measures on March 12 and is still under lockdown. France's population is 6.549 times larger than Sweden's. So we can see what Sweden's numbers would be if Sweden's population were the same size as France's population. We will see that Sweden's approach has been much more successful than France's approach.

Here are the NON-adjusted numbers:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ---- FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 1,167/3 ------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 1,746/20 ---- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 2,272/36 ---- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 3,046/92 ---- 34,542/1,992
April 02 --- 4,947/239 ----- 56,261/4,019
April 07 --- 7,206/477 ----- 73,488/8,896

Sweden's numbers multiplied by 6.549 to match France's population size:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ------ FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 7,643/20 --------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 11,435/131 ----- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 14,879/236 ----- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 19,948/603 ----- 34,542/1,992
April 02 ----- 32,398/1,565 --- 56,261/4,019
April 07 ----- 47,192/3,124 ----73,488/8,896

Thus, as of yesterday, if we assume Sweden's population is the same size as France's and adjust Sweden's numbers accordingly, Sweden had 47,192 cases to France's 73,488 cases, and Sweden had 3,124 deaths to France's 8,896 deaths. Clearly, France's extreme measures have not worked as well as Sweden's moderate measures.

I wanted to do this comparison because it is now certain that within the next few days Sweden will adopt many of the extreme measures that some other nations have adopted. Why? Because Sweden has seen a sharp rise in COVID-19 deaths over the last six days (most of them among the elderly) and because other EU nations and many scientists have been pressuring Sweden for weeks to take extreme measures.

Even though Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are still only a tiny fraction of the population, the psychological effect of the increase in deaths, coupled with the pressure to adopt stricter measures, has persuaded a majority of Sweden's leaders to abandon their moderate approach, and they are now discussing taking stronger measures.

Sweden made only one big mistake in its moderate response to the virus: Sweden did not impose any restrictions on the elderly. Most of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths--about 83%--have been among people aged 70 and above. If Sweden had imposed strict measures on the elderly, its number of deaths would be vastly lower.

SWEDEN HAS THE 11th HIGHEST NUMBER OF PER-CAPITA DEATHS FROM CORONAVIRUS IN THE WORLD! Its that France is higher at #6, but Sweden has NOTHING to brag about. Other Nordic countries like Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland all have less deaths per capita than Sweden.

 

[Maxdeath]

Let's compare Sweden and France's COVID-19 numbers to see if France's drastic measures have produced lower case and death numbers than have Sweden's moderate measures. We'll do this by adjusting Sweden's numbers according to France's population size. So far Sweden has declined to take extreme measures. France began taking extreme measures on March 12 and is still under lockdown. France's population is 6.549 times larger than Sweden's. So we can see what Sweden's numbers would be if Sweden's population were the same size as France's population. We will see that Sweden's approach has been much more successful than France's approach.

Here are the NON-adjusted numbers:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ---- FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 1,167/3 ------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 1,746/20 ---- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 2,272/36 ---- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 3,046/92 ---- 34,542/1,992
April 02 --- 4,947/239 ----- 56,261/4,019
April 07 --- 7,206/477 ----- 73,488/8,896

Sweden's numbers multiplied by 6.549 to match France's population size:

SWEDEN--CASES/DEATHS ------ FRANCE--CASES/DEATHS
March 18 --- 7,643/20 --------- 7,652/175
March 22 --- 11,435/131 ----- 14,296/562
March 25 --- 14,879/236 ----- 22,025/1,100
March 28 --- 19,948/603 ----- 34,542/1,992
April 02 ----- 32,398/1,565 --- 56,261/4,019
April 07 ----- 47,192/3,124 ----73,488/8,896

Thus, as of yesterday, if we assume Sweden's population is the same size as France's and adjust Sweden's numbers accordingly, Sweden had 47,192 cases to France's 73,488 cases, and Sweden had 3,124 deaths to France's 8,896 deaths. Clearly, France's extreme measures have not worked as well as Sweden's moderate measures.

I wanted to do this comparison because it is now certain that within the next few days Sweden will adopt many of the extreme measures that some other nations have adopted. Why? Because Sweden has seen a sharp rise in COVID-19 deaths over the last six days (most of them among the elderly) and because other EU nations and many scientists have been pressuring Sweden for weeks to take extreme measures.

Even though Sweden's COVID-19 deaths are still only a tiny fraction of the population, the psychological effect of the increase in deaths, coupled with the pressure to adopt stricter measures, has persuaded a majority of Sweden's leaders to abandon their moderate approach, and they are now discussing taking stronger measures.

Sweden made only one big mistake in its moderate response to the virus: Sweden did not impose any restrictions on the elderly. Most of Sweden's COVID-19 deaths--about 83%--have been among people aged 70 and above. If Sweden had imposed strict measures on the elderly, its number of deaths would be vastly lower.

Lets compare Canada and the USA. Both had their first case of Covid19 on the same day. Trump banned non-business flights from China, but the reality is that there were so many loopholes and exceptions to the travel "ban" that one critic called it a "travel Band-Aid, not a ban". Over 400,000 people have arrived in the USA from China since the "ban", and with no testing on new arrivals, basically Donal Trump allowed the pandemic to happen.

Damn the stupid just gets dumber. By the time anyone heard about it we were already too late. Then the WHO was telling everyone that it could not be transmitted human to human. So listening to to China and the WHO no one expected things to be that bad.
Don't know how you folks do things in Canada where you don't have things like the constitution but in the U.S. we have guarentee sto our freedoms. The Democrats were trying to limit his power, even remove him all together. The crazy left was all in. Now suddenly the left wanted him to suspend congress, throw out the constitution and rule with an iron fist. And they wonder why normal people laugh at them.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Well, I'll be doggoned: Sweden has decided NOT to take extreme measures but to stick with its moderate approach!

Although news reports made it seem certain that the Swedish government was about to cave to the pressure to impose stricter measures, the Swedish public health authority has announced that it will stick with its moderate measures!

Gee, can Sweden take over the U.S. and impose sanity and reason on our COVID-19 response measures?