Consequence Culture - Gina Carano, Colin Kaepernick, The Dixie Chicks and Jane Fonda

[Thoth001]

Maybe you should actually look at the science and stop believing what the lying MSM tells you.

FACE MASKS DO NOT PREVENT SPREAD OF AIRBORNE PATHOGENS

Yeah, I'll take the word of medical professionals over Trump Supporters or some Mannish Woman on a TV show about space wizards... Oh, wait, she's not on that show anymore.

That is a very delusional way of thinking but suit yourself. You can continue being a sheeple for all I care. Enjoy your face diaper and making yourself sickly. I hope the cough from it don't kill you. When people are part of the COVID cult, it is hard for them to think logically.

 

[JoeB131]

Um....no.....

Kapernick is now richer than he ever was before.....

Only after he was largely vindicated by the BLM demonstrations. Then the NFL and all the other big corporations that cancelled him were totally down to show solidarity with the black community so please don't burn our stuff.

.....the dixie chicks actually insulted their own audience and their audience stopped buying their music......at a time when their actual career was down the toilet...

No, they were "cancelled" when they said they were embarrassed that Geo. W. Bush was President. They were at the top of their game at that point. Turns out... they were right. Bush had no business being President.

Of course Bush only killed 5000 Americans. Trump was like, "Hold my beer".

and jane fonda posed with the fucking communist vietnamese who butchered innocent men, women and children and had a long career after that...you dipshit....

First, the only people butchering innocent Vietnamese was the US, in an unjust and unprovoked war. Second, take a look at her IMDB page. Her career pretty much ends in 1981, which is the point where producers realized she was toxic due to her anti-war activity.

And George Floyd wasn't murdered by anyone but himself....he took 2X the lethal dose of fentanyl....since he was a drug addict, and the cops had nothing to do with his death...he was dead before they showed up...

Not what the coroner and DA ruled. they ruled it was a homicide. I guess Chauven is going to feel pretty stupid for spending years in jail for killing a dead man.

 

[JoeB131]

What have Conservatives canceled lately? Care to explain? In fact the Conservatives have become more liberal and it seems the left has gone so far left that they went to the right. Almost a complete flip flop. That is just what it looks like to me. Democrats are definitely not what they were 30 years ago.

Really? Let's look at that.

Let's look at how the Republicans feel about their past nominees?

Romney- Hate him.
McCain - Hate him.
George W. Bush- Don't like him too much, he wanted to give Amnesty to Mexicans.
Dole - Hate him.
Bush Sr. - don't like him that much.

The only guy you are still fond of is Reagan, and that's only because you pretend he wasn't actually as moderate as he was.

The party of family values now makes excuses for a man who has sex with porn stars.
The party of National Security is praising pulling out of the Middle East and NATO.
The Party of Small Government supported a guy who increased the Deficit by 8 Trillion dollars and put EVERYONE on the dole.
The party of law and order supported a criminal mob looting the capitol.

Donald Trump is the Lizard Brain of the REpublican Party.

 

[JoeB131]

The police are not murdering people you idiot....13 unarmed blacks were killed by police...at least 8 of them were in the process of attacking the police.......you moron.

Okay, you tell yourself that.

Laquan McDonald
Tamir Rice
George Floyd
Bronna Taylor
Walter Scott
Michael Brown
Botham Jean
etc.
etc.

 

[struth]

So we've seen a few threads on these boards about how Gina Carano was fired by Disney after she repeatedly posted racist, conspiratorial and transphobic memes on Twitter, and someone decided that she wasn't the best person to have on your Fun Space Adventure for the Whole Family. Yes, after spending 4 BILLION to buy the rights to Star Wars, they didn't want some third tier actor dragging them into controversy they didn't need.

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Fun Space Adventure... Calling them "Younglings" so you don't have to say, "Killed Children"

Anyway, the Right Wing has gone apoplectic over this. How dare we punish this poor woman for merely expressing her opinion.

Of course, these were the same people who insisted that the NFL Fire Colin Kaepernick because he took a knee protesting police misconduct and killing of black people.

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Eventually, he was proven right when the country exploded into riots after George Floyd was murdered. Even big corporations got in on the act.

Then there were the Dixie Chicks. Remember them? They were a country band that expressed the opinion that our war with Iraq over weapons that didn't exist was probably a bad idea. (Actually, only one of them did, but they all paid for it.

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Eventually, they were proven right. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find a Right Winger today who would argue the Iraq War was a good idea.

Then there was the grandmother of all "Cancel Culture", Jane Fonda. You remember Jane? She was the one who said our undeclared war in Vietnam was a terrible idea. Even humanized the people we were mercilessly bombing by visiting them.

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Well, she was proven right. The war was a bad idea. Not that it did her any good, people still denounced her as "Hanoi Jane" and her career was pretty much over by 1980.

Point is, the Right Wing was for Cancel Culture (really, "Consequence Culture") before they were against it.

So let the right wing outrage begin!!!

1) what repeated racist, conspiratorial and transphobi meme? Can you provide them?
2) The NFL didn't fire him, they didn't hire him. He was fired by SF 49ers. He was an average QB to start with, and was struggling towards the end of his career, coming off injuries and 3 surgeries entering the 2016 season. Gabbert beat him out for the starting job that season. He did start one game, in October against the Bills and they got blown out 45-16. His was let go because he couldn't preform anymore.
3) I have no issue with the Dixie Chicks, not supporting the war, and things likely went to far, but they were not fired from their label....the folks they were selling records to, decided they didn't want to buy them anymore...a lot was likely due to their response after their comment overseas...such as this: "We don't feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home anymore."
4) as far as Jane....no she wasn't right.....it's one thing to oppose the war, it's something totally different to sit on top of an anti-aircraft gun targeting our troops. She was in the camp of people killing her fellow countrymen, mere miles away from where many were locked in cages, and being tortured. In later life she even acknowledged how wrong she was for it.

 

[JoeB131]

What did she say that was racist? Also, the beep boop thing was pretty funny. If that's considered transphobic, that's pretty ridiculous, but then again, the LGBT lobby itself has gotten ridiculous in its own right.

Demeaning people isn't funny, guy.

All Kaepernick proved was that he did it for the money. After he and his girlfriend sabotaged several attempts to hire him, he won an out of court settlement, and then got a massive endorsement deal from Nike, it was clear he could make more money outside of football with no risk of injury. He played the woke game quite well. He apparently even has idiots that still view him as a victim as well.

Actually, the NFL settled out of court, admitting pretty much that they HAD blackballed him.

Of course, his wokeness doesn't extend to the fact that Nike employs Uighur slave labor, but I know your opinion on that is that it doesn't matter. Only American lives matter, eh?

We've been running around the world killing Muslim Terrorists for the last 30 years, why are we giving China shit for killing Muslim terrorists in their own country? Also, given our use of slave labor in the Prison-Industrial Complex in this country, we don't have a lot of room to talk. America needs to clean up her own act before we start criticizing anyone else.

Fonda's meeting with POWs and the North Vietnamese was a propaganda move for that regime. Whether she intended to aid their cause or not, her meeting ultimately served their cause. Yes, the Vietnam War was a mistake, but her actions were naive at best and duplicitous at worst.

By Propaganda, you mean, "Showing Americans what was actually going on there."

We dropped more bombs on North Vietnam than we did on Germany and Japan combined in World War II.

Jane Fonda didn't lie to us about Vietnam. Our government did. Hey, you can even take the cheap shot and point out a Democrat started it.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron....jane fonda had a long career after she sided with the mass murdering communists in Vietnam, you idiot....

She starred in films and was an exercise sensation...you dumb ass....she is the least canceled person in the world....

1972 was when she posed with the mass murdering communist vietnamese...

Now......tell us this is how she was canceled....you dumb ass...you don't even know what you are fucking talking about....

Again, looking at her IMDB page, her career was pretty much over by 1985, that's the point. She became box office poison, and they stopped casting her. Most of the movies you cite were done by her own production company.

This is something you like to do, spooge the page with walls of text... but the reality is, Jane Fonda paid a professional price for her advocacy... and she's a much better Actress than Gina Carano, someone who plays third to a Puppet and a guy with a bucket on his head.

 

[Thoth001]

What have Conservatives canceled lately? Care to explain? In fact the Conservatives have become more liberal and it seems the left has gone so far left that they went to the right. Almost a complete flip flop. That is just what it looks like to me. Democrats are definitely not what they were 30 years ago.

Really? Let's look at that.

Let's look at how the Republicans feel about their past nominees?

Romney- Hate him.
McCain - Hate him.
George W. Bush- Don't like him too much, he wanted to give Amnesty to Mexicans.
Dole - Hate him.
Bush Sr. - don't like him that much.

The only guy you are still fond of is Reagan, and that's only because you pretend he wasn't actually as moderate as he was.

The party of family values now makes excuses for a man who has sex with porn stars.
The party of National Security is praising pulling out of the Middle East and NATO.
The Party of Small Government supported a guy who increased the Deficit by 8 Trillion dollars and put EVERYONE on the dole.
The party of law and order supported a criminal mob looting the capitol.

Donald Trump is the Lizard Brain of the REpublican Party.

I didn't like Reagan much either. Although they did shoot at him, so he must have been doing something right to piss them off.

I really could care less about the Repulicon party or the Democrypt party. They are all corrupt. I would develop a whole new party. They are all complicate in the destruction of the Republic.

 

[JoeB131]

1) what repeated racist, conspiratorial and transphobi meme? Can you provide them?

I provided a link earlier in the thread... all this "nuh-uh" shit is tiresome.

2) The NFL didn't fire him, they didn't hire him. He was fired by SF 49ers. He was an average QB to start with, and was struggling towards the end of his career, coming off injuries and 3 surgeries entering the 2016 season. Gabbert beat him out for the starting job that season. He did start one game, in October against the Bills and they got blown out 45-16. His was let go because he couldn't preform anymore.

He got let go because they blackballed him, and when they sued they settled before discovery was allowed to go forward because that would have proven his claim that there was collusion.

Come on, the Chicago Bears could have used a QB of his caliber, instead of Trubinsky, who keeps fucking up and still has a job. But he didn't take a knee... at least not until it was fashionable.

3) I have no issue with the Dixie Chicks, not supporting the war, and things likely went to far, but they were not fired from their label....the folks they were selling records to, decided they didn't want to buy them anymore...a lot was likely due to their response after their comment overseas...such as this: "We don't feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home anymore."

They didn't feel part of the country scene because of the backlash against them by the inbred morons who listen to country music turned on them.

Just look at their discography.

The Chicks discography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whoops. They crashed and burned after 2003.

4) as far as Jane....no she wasn't right.....it's one thing to oppose the war, it's something totally different to sit on top of an anti-aircraft gun targeting our troops. She was in the camp of people killing her fellow countrymen, mere miles away from where many were locked in cages, and being tortured. In later life she even acknowledged how wrong she was for it.

She acknowledged she was sorry that her actions hurt the feelings of servicemembers. The thing is, most of those Servicemembers probably would have agreed with her. This was a war where we drafted poor people to fight the war, while Rich people like Trump and Rush Limbaugh got exemptions. The best thing she did was point out the ludicrousness of it all.

Um. Yeah. It was horrible that the Vietnamese were torturing the people who were carpet bombing them. Everyone involved was a victim while the people in Washington and the big board rooms of corporations that profited from "Forever War" were exempt.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Why?

Because she was a traitorous bitch...

Frankly, she was completely in the right. The Vietnamese were no threat to us. It really wasn't out business to get in the middle of their civil war, and, oh, yeah, the government routinely lied to us about what was going on over there.

She sided with the enemy, as are you, apparently. You're a traitorous little bitch, too...

And boycotted the NFL until he was fired. Did you all forget that part?

I didn't boycott anything, dipshit.

Wanna' try again?

Again, more revisionist history.

How so?

It wasn't because they were 'liberal', it was because they questioned George W. Bush's war in Iraq. I know you guys forgot you all enthusiastically supported that because the one thing you can say about Trump is he didnt' start any new wars.

There it is. I knew you were too fucking stupid to get through a thread without mentioning Trump. He's got nothing to do with this conversation, dumbfuck.

I never said they shouldn't have the right to say what they said. So what's your beef? I'm partisan because I don't care for their music and won't buy it? Am I a racist because I don't buy Famous Amos cookies, too?

 

[JoeB131]

I didn't like Reagan much either. Although they did shoot at him, so he must have been doing something right to piss them off.

Who is "they"? He was shot by a crazy person who didn't realize Jody Foster was a lesbian.

 

[JoeB131]

She sided with the enemy, as are you, apparently. You're a traitorous little bitch, too...

Why were the Vietnamese "the enemy", exactly? Because they didn't want the kind of government that we thought they should have? We inflicted untold misery on those people fighting a war that our own military leaders concluded was unwinnable.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey dumb ass...remember when I asked you to do at least 5 seconds of research...

The Dixie Chicks changed their name......you moron.....why? Because of left wing cancel culture and their fear of that left wing cancel culture....you idiot...

Um. Yeah. so what's your point. They realized that it wasn't a good look for them...

Boy, you guys are pretty desperate to point out that we grabbed this club out of your hand and are beating you senseless with it.

 

[JoeB131]

Since he led San Francisco to its first Super Bowl appearance in 18 years in 2012, Kaepernick's production has tapered off significantly. The quarterback's already-low completion percentage dipped well below 60 percent in 2015 and 2016 and he has struggled to make strong throws past 10 yards and outside the numbers.

But here's the point. There are a lot of mediocre QB's who still have jobs.. Like Trubinsky.

The fact was, the NFL DID conspire not to sign him because of the Kneeling thing.

 

[Canon Shooter]

He got let go because they blackballed him, and when they sued they settled before discovery was allowed to go forward because that would have proven his claim that there was collusion.

He got let go because he was toxic. He wasn't rehired because teams decided they didn't want such a divisive piece of shit on their roster...

3) I have no issue with the Dixie Chicks, not supporting the war, and things likely went to far, but they were not fired from their label....the folks they were selling records to, decided they didn't want to buy them anymore...a lot was likely due to their response after their comment overseas...such as this: "We don't feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home anymore."
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Maybe, had they kept their mouths shut, and not been critical of their President on foreign shores, they'd have been treated better...

She acknowledged she was sorry that her actions hurt the feelings of servicemembers. The thing is, most of those Servicemembers probably would have agreed with her. This was a war where we drafted poor people to fight the war, while Rich people like Trump and Rush Limbaugh got exemptions. The best thing she did was point out the ludicrousness of it all.

Fuck her. I hope she dies.

Those fighting in Vietnam didn't agree with her, and it wasn't only "poor people" who went over there. My uncle had a net worth of nearly $40 million in 1968, yet my cousin Paul still went to Vietnam and fought.

Don't be so myopic. It makes you look stupid...

 

[Canon Shooter]

But here's the point. There are a lot of mediocre QB's who still have jobs.. Like Trubinsky.

And, last I checked, Trubinsky wasn't tritting around making an asinine spectacle of himself. Teams in the NFL decided they didn't want to deal with such an asshole...

The fact was, the NFL DID conspire not to sign him because of the Kneeling thing.

Proof?

Anything?

No?

 

[Canon Shooter]

She sided with the enemy, as are you, apparently. You're a traitorous little bitch, too...

Why were the Vietnamese "the enemy", exactly? Because they didn't want the kind of government that we thought they should have? We inflicted untold misery on those people fighting a war that our own military leaders concluded was unwinnable.

It doesn't matter "why", they were, plain and simple. Fonda's decision to pal around with the Vietnamese was a disgusting affront to our men and women in uniform. She should've been tried and executed...

 

[struth]

1) what repeated racist, conspiratorial and transphobi meme? Can you provide them?

I provided a link earlier in the thread... all this "nuh-uh" shit is tiresome.

2) The NFL didn't fire him, they didn't hire him. He was fired by SF 49ers. He was an average QB to start with, and was struggling towards the end of his career, coming off injuries and 3 surgeries entering the 2016 season. Gabbert beat him out for the starting job that season. He did start one game, in October against the Bills and they got blown out 45-16. His was let go because he couldn't preform anymore.

He got let go because they blackballed him, and when they sued they settled before discovery was allowed to go forward because that would have proven his claim that there was collusion.

Come on, the Chicago Bears could have used a QB of his caliber, instead of Trubinsky, who keeps fucking up and still has a job. But he didn't take a knee... at least not until it was fashionable.

3) I have no issue with the Dixie Chicks, not supporting the war, and things likely went to far, but they were not fired from their label....the folks they were selling records to, decided they didn't want to buy them anymore...a lot was likely due to their response after their comment overseas...such as this: "We don't feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home anymore."

They didn't feel part of the country scene because of the backlash against them by the inbred morons who listen to country music turned on them.

Just look at their discography.

The Chicks discography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whoops. They crashed and burned after 2003.

4) as far as Jane....no she wasn't right.....it's one thing to oppose the war, it's something totally different to sit on top of an anti-aircraft gun targeting our troops. She was in the camp of people killing her fellow countrymen, mere miles away from where many were locked in cages, and being tortured. In later life she even acknowledged how wrong she was for it.

She acknowledged she was sorry that her actions hurt the feelings of servicemembers. The thing is, most of those Servicemembers probably would have agreed with her. This was a war where we drafted poor people to fight the war, while Rich people like Trump and Rush Limbaugh got exemptions. The best thing she did was point out the ludicrousness of it all.

Um. Yeah. It was horrible that the Vietnamese were torturing the people who were carpet bombing them. Everyone involved was a victim while the people in Washington and the big board rooms of corporations that profited from "Forever War" were exempt.

1) can you provide it again?
2)SF didn't blackball him....his stats supported their decision...he was coming off 3 freaking surgeries.....nobody wanted him
3) wow...inbred people listen to Garth Brooks, and country artist? I don't disagree that some of the backlash was too much....but they weren't fired by their label. I think it would have been drastically different had they simply said they don't support the war, but the additional attack on the President and doing it overseas made the comment worse. Moreover, there is no right or wrong on being supportive of the war effort or not.

and it's not like the rock genre welcomed the Dixie Chicks....since then they have been welcomed back, they just came out with a new album, they have performed at the CMAs, been on tour with other country artist, and lead world tours.
4) there is no defending Fonda's actions....no, no serviceman would have set on a anti-air craft weapon targeting their fellow servicemen, and partied with the enemy. Fonda didn't get backlash for being against the war, she got backlash for that photo and that trip....rightly so.

 

[JoeB131]

He got let go because he was toxic. He wasn't rehired because teams decided they didn't want such a divisive piece of shit on their roster...

The same reason why Disney fired Gina Carano.

Maybe, had they kept their mouths shut, and not been critical of their President on foreign shores, they'd have been treated better...

Last time I checked, Presidents aren't royalty.... So you are going to shut the fuck up about PRESIDENT Biden for the next four years, right?

Fuck her. I hope she dies.

Those fighting in Vietnam didn't agree with her, and it wasn't only "poor people" who went over there. My uncle had a net worth of nearly $40 million in 1968, yet my cousin Paul still went to Vietnam and fought.

Don't be so myopic. It makes you look stupid...

Really? What was his MOS. I'm guessing it wasn't 11B.

Check this out, this is the high regard our leaders had for the people they sent over there.

Project 100,000 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000), also known as McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons and McNamara's Misfits,[1][2] was a controversial 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers who would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements of the American government's involvement in the Vietnam War. Inductees of the project died at higher rates[1] than other Americans serving in Vietnam and following their service had lower incomes and higher rates of divorce than their non-veteran counterparts.

 

[struth]

Since he led San Francisco to its first Super Bowl appearance in 18 years in 2012, Kaepernick's production has tapered off significantly. The quarterback's already-low completion percentage dipped well below 60 percent in 2015 and 2016 and he has struggled to make strong throws past 10 yards and outside the numbers.

But here's the point. There are a lot of mediocre QB's who still have jobs.. Like Trubinsky.

The fact was, the NFL DID conspire not to sign him because of the Kneeling thing.

He's still the starter for the Bears, and isn't coming off three surgeries...and still UNDER contract! We'll see what happens after this season when he goes free-agent

Can you show us some sort of evidence there was an agreement between all the football teams not to hire CK?