Common sense: is 1 million barrels traveling 1 mile on open ocean more dangerous than

[healthmyths]

TransCanada rupture result of careless errors

View image | gettyimages.com The Transportation Safety Board has finally released its report on the TransCanada pipeline that ruptured and exploded …

canadians.org

It was GAS not oil!

Luckily the pipeline was transporting natural gas and not oil as it ruptured just 150 metres from the Wabasca River.

TransCanada rupture result of careless errors

View image | gettyimages.com The Transportation Safety Board has finally released its report on the TransCanada pipeline that ruptured and exploded …

canadians.org

 

[Woodznutz]

Again NO FACTS. Now here are the FACTS!!!
70% of crude oil and petroleum products are shipped by pipeline.
23% of oil shipments are on tankers and barges over water.Oct 11, 2018

Which Is Safer For Transporting Crude Oil: Rail, Truck, Pipeline Or Boat?

News of increased crude oil transportation by rail from Canada has raised this question again. The short answer is: truck worse than train worse than pipeline worse than boat. But it depends on your definition of worse - human deaths, property destruction or environmental impact. You choose.

www.forbes.com

Since 1986 pipeline accidents have spilled an average of 76,000 barrels per year or more than 3 million gallons.

America's Dangerous Pipelines

A new analysis of oil and gas pipeline safety in the United States reveals a troubling history of spills, contamination, injuries and deaths.

www.biologicaldiversity.org

VS..3,170,000 barrels by tankers...(10,000 tonnes)

Tanker spill statistics 2021

Data from ITOPF shows that six oil spills over 7 tonnes were recorded from tanker incidents in 2021.

www.itopf.org

So how can there be a comparison? 70% by pipelines spilling nearly 2% of what tankers spill?
Again.. if given a choice which would you choose... 700 barrels traveling 1 mile on dry land or 1,000,000 barrels traveling 1 mile on the open ocean? Seriously how can you not see the obvious?

All you have done is point out the weaknesses of both. Ocean shipping will continue regardless of these statistics. Regarding "given a choice", are you suggesting that trans-ocean pipelines would be preferred over tanker ships? How would such oceanic pipelines be safer than tanker ships? In fact, how would they even be possible?

 

[healthmyths]

All you have done is point out the weaknesses of both. Ocean shipping will continue regardless of these statistics. Regarding "given a choice", are you suggesting that trans-ocean pipelines would be preferred over tanker ships? How would such oceanic pipelines be safer than tanker ships? In fact, how would they even be possible?

My point was regarding specifically the Keystone pipeline which was the original premise!
Dry land vs open ocean was the argument NOT open ocean pipelines vs tankers!
So again back to fundamentals... based on the experts.. which is safer... 700 barrels traveling 1 mile on dry land vs
1 million barrels going 1 mile on open ocean. That's the point ! Pretty simple!

 

[Woodznutz]

My point was regarding specifically the Keystone pipeline which was the original premise!
Dry land vs open ocean was the argument NOT open ocean pipelines vs tankers!
So again back to fundamentals... based on the experts.. which is safer... 700 barrels traveling 1 mile on dry land vs
1 million barrels going 1 mile on open ocean. That's the point ! Pretty simple!

But no practical application of those stats, just an intellectual argument. I still see it as apples and oranges.

 

[krichton]

700 barrels traveling one mile on dry land underground?
So why did Biden as did Obama cancel a pipeline that would be
A) part of a system that the White House says..
"White House admits pipelines are 'safest' way to transport oil"

White House admits pipelines are 'safest' way to transport oil

B) part of 185,000 miles pipelines:that have spilled an average of 5 gallons per mile.
Nearly 9 million gallons of crude oil have spilled from pipelines in the United States since 2010.
(9 million spilled gallons of divided by 185,000 miles of pipeline divided by 6 years or 8 gallons/year/mile.)

Here's how much oil has spilled from US pipelines since 2010

Nearly 9 million gallons of crude oil spilled from the 70,000 miles of pipelines crisscrossing the United States since 2010.

www.businessinsider.com

So common sense. FACTs. Statistics all support.
8 gallons of spilled oil per mile per year VS 55 million gallons traveling one mile on open ocean per day!
Please defenders of Biden's cancelling Keystone... defend it!
Refute the White House acknowledging pipelines safest way!
Refute that 8 gallons per mile per year is more dangerous than 55 million gallons/mile/day!

I'll point to this thread the next time someone mentions the environmental impact of mining lithium