Combating the pandemic should never have been a divisive, partisan matter.

[Donald H]

Nah - the anti-vax thing has very little to do with ideology. That's more about general distrust of public institutions, in particular mainstream medicine.

That element is of some consideration to Americans. There are a few different reasons for it being warranted. You probably wouldn't like to face up to them but I would welcome you trying.

 

[dblack]

That element is of some consideration to Americans. There are a few different reasons for it being warranted. You probably wouldn't like to face up to them but I would welcome you trying.

Oh, a silly attempt to make the argument personal! Cute.

Do you have anything else to contribute to the discussion?

Your attempt to blame the anti-vax movement on ideology fails.

 

[Donald H]

Oh, a silly attempt to make the argument personal! Cute.

Do you have anything else to contribute to the discussion?

Your attempt to blame the anti-vax movement on ideology fails.

We're all going to be rational and civil today. If you can't do that then you won't be discussing anything with me.

 

[dblack]

We're all going to be rational and civil today. If you can't do that then you won't be discussing anything with me.

Likewise!

Your attempt to tie anti-vaxxers to ideology isn't supported by the facts. The anti-vax thing is based on distrust of mainstream medicine, not political ideology.

 

[Donald H]

Likewise!

Your attempt to blame anti-vaxxers to ideology isn't supported by the facts. The anti-vax thing is based on distrust of mainstream medicine, not political ideology.

And again, distrust of mainstream medicine is a factor.

Those who oppose the vaccines and those who refuse them have a definite political connection that I'm quite convinced is driven by political ideology.

There are some exceptions but they are few. Christianity of the extremist variety for one. Fear that's been stoked by negative political ideology is another. Can you name more examples?

 

[dblack]

And again, distrust of mainstream medicine is a factor.

Those who oppose the vaccines and those who refuse them have a definite political connection that I'm quite convinced is driven by political ideology.

Really? Which political ideological principle predicts rejection of vaccines?

There are some exceptions but they are few. Christianity of the extremist variety for one. Can you name more examples?

Yes. General distrust of the medical establishment. A preference for "alternative" medicine. A fixation on everything "natural", implying that man-made drugs are, in general, bad for us.

These aren't ideological issues. Certainly not political ideology. Nor are they partisan. Plenty of libs fall into this camp.

Fear that's been stoked by negative political ideology is another.

It seems like you're confusing partisanship with ideology - a common error. But even with that misconception, the anti-vax thing hasn't, historically, followed party affiliation. It's been leaning that way lately because the two-party circus tries to cram everything into its two-party worldview - but it's completely fake.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

America is in fact the greatest representative of ideological denial of the efficacy of the vaccines.

No, that would be empirical science—the observable fact that those who accepted this so-called “vaccine”, are getting infected, getting ill, and spreading the virus, just about as much as those who have not.

The definition of efficacy, where this experimental drug is concerned, would be for it to be preventing these things, and it can now be clearly seen that it is doing no such thing.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

And again, distrust of mainstream medicine is a factor.

Being blatantly lied to, over and over and over and over and over again, tends to have that effect.

 

[Donald H]

No, that would be empirical science—the observable fact that those who accepted this so-called “vaccine”, are getting infected, getting ill, and spreading the virus, just about as much as those who have not.

The definition of efficacy, where this experimental drug is concerned, would be for it to be preventing these things, and it can now be clearly seen that it is doing no such thing.

You've just jumped outside the parameters of a rational discussion. Two days ago most of the Trump supporters demonstrated that they weren't willing to own your particular ideology. They have at least come to the point at which they acknowledge the efficacy of the vaccines.

You're by yourself unless you can gather some support on your idea that the vaccines aren't working. Both of us would be happy to hear from some!

 

[Donald H]

Being blatantly lied to, over and over and over and over and over again, tends to have that effect.

Join up with the side of the fight that wants to do something about it.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Join up with the side of the fight that wants to do something about it.

Yours is the side that wants to keep lying, and to persecute and censor anyone who disputes those lies.

 

[schmidlap]

Are you thinking of early comments by Senile Joe and Kamala Harris who said plainly on the record they would not take a vaccine developed under the auspices of Donald Trump?

Because that seems VERY divisive and partisan to me.
And so does how you keep ducking these comments regarding Biden and his stooge, Harris.

No one can be more divisive and partisan than you, it seems.

Your hyper-partisan tizzy aside, fortunately, most Americans get it, and the President they elected respects the medical expertise as well.

Fox News Poll: Majorities favor mask and vaccine mandates​

Majorities support mask and vaccine mandates advocated by the Biden administration, as the coronavirus pandemic remains a top concern, according to the latest Fox News poll.​

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Three-quarters of registered voters are "extremely" or "very" concerned about the pandemic (74 percent), a 5-point increase from August when 69 percent were worried.​

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The shift comes mainly from Republicans (+14) and men (+8)...​

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Sizable majorities believe face masks (69%) and vaccines (65%) are effective and favor a range of mandates and requirements.​

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Your hyper-partisan tizzy aside, fortunately, most Americans get it, and the President they elected respects the medical expertise as well.

Fox News Poll: Majorities favor mask and vaccine mandates​

Majorities support mask and vaccine mandates advocated by the Biden administration, as the coronavirus pandemic remains a top concern, according to the latest Fox News poll.​

​

Three-quarters of registered voters are "extremely" or "very" concerned about the pandemic (74 percent), a 5-point increase from August when 69 percent were worried.​

​

The shift comes mainly from Republicans (+14) and men (+8)...​

​

Sizable majorities believe face masks (69%) and vaccines (65%) are effective and favor a range of mandates and requirements.​

Check your server. Nothing you replied has anything to do with what I posted. Thanks.

Both Senescent Joe and Kamala Harris refused to take vaccines that were brought to
the public by Donald Trump. So much for your claims about politicizing the covid disease.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Joe's "medical expertise" seems at odds with the science of the covid disease. Why else would he
exempt all the employees of the massive US Postal Service from receiving vaccines, despite insisting
everyone else should take the needle?

Postal Service Takes Wait-and-See Approach on COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates

USPS may soon have to set up widespread testing for unvaccinated staff, but agency officials do not yet know how many employees have received shots.

www.govexec.com

Like Joe, you are floundering and your claims are at odds with reality.

 

[schmidlap]

Both Senescent Joe and Kamala Harris refused to take vaccines that were brought to
the public by Donald Trump.

The President received his first dose of the coronavirus vaccine, publicly, on December 22, 2020, and reassured Americans of the vaccine's safety. The Vice President received her first shot one week later. (Both before the Former Guy had absconded.)

The Former Guy, who spent months publicly downplaying the virus' impact and eschewing mask-wearing, did not follow their example until January, and did not admit to having done so until March, during the Biden Administration.

"Politics isn't the weird worship of one dude."
............................ Senator Ben Sasse, R-Nebraska
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Since then, the Former Guy has finally come around, and even been booed by his goons for doing so.

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated​

 

[marvin martian]

And again, distrust of mainstream medicine is a factor.

Those who oppose the vaccines and those who refuse them have a definite political connection that I'm quite convinced is driven by political ideology.

There are some exceptions but they are few. Christianity of the extremist variety for one. Fear that's been stoked by negative political ideology is another. Can you name more examples?

How about the 57% of blacks and 52% of hispanics in this country who aren't vaccinated? What's their excuse?

 

[Donald H]

How about the 57% of blacks and 52% of hispanics in this country who aren't vaccinated? What's their excuse?

Dunno, America's racism problem isn't mine.
Could be that they're depressed due to being discriminated against?

 

[Colin norris]

If you got the vaccine, you owe DJT a debt of gratitude.

Rubbish. The vaccine would have eventuated with any president in power.
The only thing trump should be thanked for is the fact he made a big enough idiot of himself to get defeated.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The President received his first dose of the coronavirus vaccine, publicly, on December 22, 2020, and reassured Americans of the vaccine's safety. The Vice President received her first shot one week later. (Both before the Former Guy had absconded.)

The Former Guy, who spent months publicly downplaying the virus' impact and eschewing mask-wearing, did not follow their example until January, and did not admit to having done so until March, during the Biden Administration.

"Politics isn't the weird worship of one dude."
............................ Senator Ben Sasse, R-Nebraska
​

Since then, the Former Guy has finally come around, and even been booed by his goons for doing so.

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated​

I notice you admit Trump telling rally goers to get vaccinated but can't bring yourself to admit both
Senile Joe and Kamala refused to get vaccinated themselves because Trump was the source of the vaccine.

Maybe one day you will get over your hypocritical streak, but I doubt it.

Grow up, Skinflap.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Likewise!

Your attempt to tie anti-vaxxers to ideology isn't supported by the facts. The anti-vax thing is based on distrust of mainstream medicine, not political ideology.

It's based on the Biden-Fauci contingent's consistently inconsistent stances and claims.
They have been their own worst enemies.

Old Senile Joe's Super Spreader gatherings at the border and exempting members of the Postal Worker's
unions from his vaccination mandates are two good examples of that hard line/soft line approach he takes to covid vaccinations.

They are important. But then again, they are not.

Either he believes in vaccinations or he does not. He and Dr. Anthoney Fauci can't seem to make up their minds.
The spread of covid is important to stop or it isn't. Which is it?