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CDCs “confusing” messaging on vaccines.

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They 100% don’t care about their citizenry. You either further the governments cause or you don’t, in which, you will be steamrolled. The shutdown was not scientific. It did not work. Anywhere. Especially not China. It did however cause a worldwide panic. You cannot say that China didn’t intend on a worldwide panic. They were producing (as in manufacturing with props and actors) scare porn videos of the military marching in empty streets in hazmat gear, dousing the area with disinfectant. These videos went viral on Instagram and Tik Tok. They were filmed like they were secret unauthorized candid footage. They weren’t. China controls all internet traffic from and into their country. Their leadership is effective for the leaders and the goals of their leaders, not the citizenry.
No I don’t believe that, but many Americans like to believe that.

No nation in the history of the world has advanced faster than China. Not long ago they were the poorest nation in the world. Now they are about to become the richest, and a large segment of their population is benefiting greatly. Their government had a lot to do with this.
 

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A couple of months ago Fauci was on tv talking about how effective the vaccines were. He still wants to claim that. With the caveat that, oh yeah, you’ll have to wear masks even with the vaccine. Last week we had Biden telling us in a press conference that the vaccine will protect us from infection. Huh, well that didn’t last long.


What’s going on with the vaccine? Well, let me take you back to Biden’s COVID czar, Dr Micheal Olsterholm, on Joe Rogans podcast in March of 2020, before lockdowns. When Joe asked if we could develop a vaccine against COVID, Olsterholm responded in the negative stating that (paraphrase) by the time we create, test, and distribute a vaccine, we will be worried about COVID 2021, not COVID-19. Biden’s own COVID czar.

The numbers for this vaccine are abysmal. Israel, among the top 3 in vaccination rates in the world...huh, our state department has issued a travel advisory because cases are exploding in Israel. UK numbers are awful as well, also leading the world in vaccinations. Sweden, those barbarians that never locked down and rarely masked, whose vaccination rate is abysmal at 30%, a country of 10 million...they haven’t had a COVID death in a couple of weeks.

Here’s an excercise, try to look up the numbers on breakthrough infections youself, see how difficult it is to find that information. You’ll get “breakthroughs happen, but it’s rare and symptoms are mild”...you won’t get raw numbers though. Here’s the hoops I had to jump through to get just a little bit of an idea on the efficacy of these vaccines in Massachusetts, #2 overall in the US as far as vaccination rate over 60%.

I found this article
Subtracted the new breakthrough total from the last weeks listed in the article. Gave me 716 breakthroughs for the week 7/17. Then went onto the state website here
To to find new cases total for the week of 7/17, at 1472 (if I remember correctly you can check my math), which gave me a breakthrough infection rate of 48% out of all new cases. Mind you the alpha strain (the strain this vaccine supposedly is effective against) is still in circulation.
The data on breakthrough infections is inconsistent, but it seems clear that the CDCs guidance before the delta variant became the major "type" landing people in hospitals had to be changed on new data.

I've never been clear on what your agenda or messaging is about this issue.
 
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No I don’t believe that, but many Americans like to believe that.

No nation in the history of the world has advanced faster than China. Not long ago they were the poorest nation in the world. Now they are about to become the richest, and a large segment of their population is benefiting greatly. Their government had a lot to do with this.
...starved around 80 million to death, killed a few million political prisoners, killed many more in war, actively have concentration camps that are forcibly sterilizing religious minority women and using them for slave labor, had the devastating one child policy, tiannemen square, forcibly taking over Hong Kong...they deserve ZERO praise. They are an evil fascistic state. I’m tired of people calling them communist, they are not, they a textbook fascists economy wise. On top of that their 1st empire policy might as well have been copied and pasted from the 3rd reich. We’ve seen this iteration of nationalistic government before less than 100 years ago. Just because some people are doing better over there doesn’t mean that the fucking CCP aren’t evil sons of bitches. They are. Stop heaping praise on them. They deserve none. They literally have concentration camps. 2 million Quigher Muslims. Slave labor, forcibly sterilized.
 
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The data on breakthrough infections is inconsistent, but it seems clear that the CDCs guidance before the delta variant became the major "type" landing people in hospitals had to be changed on new data.

I've never been clear on what your agenda or messaging is about this issue.
I make it pretty clear. They’ve been lying about these vaccines from the get go. They wanted us to throw out the window the 100 years of vaccine and immunity knowledge we had in order to believe this crazy shit. We’ve never made vaccines for these type of rapidly mutating RNA viruses for a reason. We’re seeing what that reason is in the data in every one of the most heavily vaccinated countries, states, and regions. The goal post can’t shift fast enough, the data couldn’t be more clear, the lies couldn’t be more overt, yet y’all still believe the bullshit.
 

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No I don’t believe that, but many Americans like to believe that.

No nation in the history of the world has advanced faster than China. Not long ago they were the poorest nation in the world. Now they are about to become the richest, and a large segment of their population is benefiting greatly.
...starved around 80 million to death, killed a few million political prisoners, killed many more in war, actively have concentration camps that are forcibly sterilizing religious minority women and using them for slave labor, had the devastating one child policy, tiannemen square, forcibly taking over Hong Kong...they deserve ZERO praise. They are an evil fascistic state. I’m tired of people calling them communist, they are not, they a textbook fascists economy wise. On top of that their 1st empire policy might as well have been copied and pasted from the 3rd reich. We’ve seen this iteration of nationalistic government before less than 100 years ago. Just because some people are doing better over there doesn’t mean that the fucking CCP aren’t evil sons of bitches. They are. Stop heaping praise on them. They deserve none. They literally have concentration camps. 2 million Quigher Muslims. Slave labor, forcibly sterilized.
Yes every nation has it’s problems and injustices. China is no different. The US isn’t either.
 
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Yes every nation has it’s problems and injustices. China is no different. The US isn’t either.
Yeah we’re not 80 million starved deep. 80 million. We also currently are not operating concentration camps. We never operated camps in peace time. Nor did we sterilize our concentration camp victims. We’ve never forced millions of abortions on women who did not want their children murdered. We’ve never indiscriminately mowed down hundreds of protesters. DO NOT EQUIVICATE US WITH CHINA. The CCP is nothing short of evil. Just because we’re not perfect or have never been perfect does not put us at the same level as a regime that starved 80 million of its own citizens. I don’t know how much more evidence you need that they don’t give a fuck about their own citizenry. They don’t. I can be an asshole at times, that doesn’t put me on the same level as Jeffery Dhamer, and you’re a piece of shit for offering any amount of praise to this evil state.

How many more parallels to nazi germany does China need to provide to you? Do they need to threaten to annex Austria on top of Taiwan?
 

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I make it pretty clear. They’ve been lying about these vaccines from the get go. They wanted us to throw out the window the 100 years of vaccine and immunity knowledge we had in order to believe this crazy shit. We’ve never made vaccines for these type of rapidly mutating RNA viruses for a reason. We’re seeing what that reason is in the data in every one of the most heavily vaccinated countries, states, and regions. The goal post can’t shift fast enough, the data couldn’t be more clear, the lies couldn’t be more overt, yet y’all still believe the bullshit.
Thanks. That was my suspicion. Cya
 

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...starved around 80 million to death, killed a few million political prisoners, killed many more in war, actively have concentration camps that are forcibly sterilizing religious minority women and using them for slave labor, had the devastating one child policy, tiannemen square, forcibly taking over Hong Kong...they deserve ZERO praise. They are an evil fascistic state. I’m tired of people calling them communist, they are not, they a textbook fascists economy wise. On top of that their 1st empire policy might as well have been copied and pasted from the 3rd reich. We’ve seen this iteration of nationalistic government before less than 100 years ago. Just because some people are doing better over there doesn’t mean that the fucking CCP aren’t evil sons of bitches. They are. Stop heaping praise on them. They deserve none. They literally have concentration camps. 2 million Quigher Muslims. Slave labor, forcibly sterilized.
You made the point that the leaders of China don’t care about their people. I quickly proved you wrong. Then you resort to a history lesson on China. China’s government like the US government is corrupt and criminal. It’s just a matter of degrees.

If China is Fascist, what is the US?
 

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The 20th Century was America`s century. The 21st Century is China`s century and there`s not a damn thing we can do about it.
 
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Thanks. That was my suspicion. Cya
Do you wish to explain why the efficacy of this vaccine went from 95% effective at prevent symptomatic disease to 40% of all new COVID patients being fully vaccinated? I’ve already given my explanation, which is echoed by the experts in a roundabout way. And I can tell you for certain, our medical “experts” did not all of a sudden become this dumb.
 
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You made the point that the leaders of China don’t care about their people. I quickly proved you wrong. Then you resort to a history lesson on China. China’s government like the US government is corrupt and criminal. It’s just a matter of degrees.

If China is Fascist, what is the US?
No you didn’t. By your standards hitler cared about his people. Increasing prosperity isn’t just a selfless altruistic act. It undoubtedly increases political stability. The word carnival comes from ancient Roman Empire when the people got uppity, they’d throw festivals where they’d hand out meat to satisfy them temporarily. Carne(meat)-Val.

And the US is turning fascist, because our leaders want to emulate command and control China. They say this openly and even instituted that policy. Still doesn’t change the fucking evil policy of forcibly aborting millions against the will of mothers. That’s not caring. That policy was only stopped a couple of years ago, not out of altruism, but because China fucked up and is approaching a demographic cliff in which men outnumber women. And when there’s not enough women to go around to satisfy the young men in your country, that creates a lot of political instability. You know, the whole incel meme that they’re violent and murderous and hate women. Yeah there’s a lot of incels in China.

You didn’t prove shit. Making your citizens more pliable for control is not caring for them. It’s authoritarians like YOU that look at China with admiration. It’s no surprise to me. It was the progressives in the early 20th century who were fawning over hitler, making him man of the year, and writing love letters to him. You sick fucks admire the control and want that for yourselves. Y’all have no problem breaking 80 million eggs in order to realize your utopian omelette, and of course when you come into power you need to reward yourselves with luxuries for all the hard work you’ve done.
 

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No you didn’t. By your standards hitler cared about his people. Increasing prosperity isn’t just a selfless altruistic act. It undoubtedly increases political stability. The word carnival comes from ancient Roman Empire when the people got uppity, they’d throw festivals where they’d hand out meat to satisfy them temporarily. Carne(meat)-Val.

And the US is turning fascist, because our leaders want to emulate command and control China. They say this openly and even instituted that policy. Still doesn’t change the fucking evil policy of forcibly aborting millions against the will of mothers. That’s not caring. That policy was only stopped a couple of years ago, not out of altruism, but because China fucked up and is approaching a demographic cliff in which men outnumber women. And when there’s not enough women to go around to satisfy the young men in your country, that creates a lot of political instability. You know, the whole incel meme that they’re violent and murderous and hate women. Yeah there’s a lot of incels in China.

You didn’t prove shit. Making your citizens more pliable for control is not caring for them. It’s authoritarians like YOU that look at China with admiration. It’s no surprise to me. It was the progressives in the early 20th century who were fawning over hitler, making him man of the year, and writing love letters to him. You sick fucks admire the control and want that for yourselves. Y’all have no problem breaking 80 million eggs in order to realize your utopian omelette, and of course when you come into power you need to reward yourselves with luxuries for all the hard work you’ve done.
After the last 20 years of horrors committed by our government, you see only problems with China. Lol. We are rapidly heading down the road to tyranny.
 
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After the last 20 years of horrors committed by our government, you see only problems with China. Lol. We are rapidly heading down the road to tyranny.
No. Ive stated we’re on that road. We still are not morally equivalent to China. China has been tyrannical for 80 years. In those 80 years, including today, they’ve done a lot of fucked up shit, and feel no remorse for it. They deserve no admiration.
 

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No. Ive stated we’re on that road. We still are not morally equivalent to China. China has been tyrannical for 80 years. In those 80 years, including today, they’ve done a lot of fucked up shit, and feel no remorse for it. They deserve no admiration.
No we’re worse than China. We like to invade, bomb, and sanction foreign nations the ultra wealthy oligarchy dislikes. You speak of China’s past. I’m speaking of our present. Besides, our past isn’t all that great either.
 
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No we’re worse than China. We like to invade, bomb, and sanction foreign nations the ultra wealthy oligarchy dislikes. You speak of China’s past. I’m speaking of our present. Besides, our past isn’t all that great either.
Okay, you clearly have a shitty understanding of history and tyrants, and have clearly seen the world outside of the US. We’re officially in casting pearls before swine territory, consider yourself blocked.
 

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Okay, you clearly have a shitty understanding of history and tyrants, and have clearly seen the world outside of the US. We’re officially in casting pearls before swine territory, consider yourself blocked.
The most dangerous nation in the world is the USA. It’s not even close. Do you have any idea how many people have died because of our government’s actions these last 20 years?
 

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The most dangerous nation in the world is the USA. It’s not even close. Do you have any idea how many people have died because of our government’s actions these last 20 years?
1/10Th of those we saved, estimated at 200 million who say thank you USA
Know that breaks your commie “heart”
 
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If you're vaccinated you can get COVID, pass COVID, be hospitalized and die just same as if you're not vaccinated. Side affects of the vaccine include blood clots, myocarditis and other serious conditions including sterility and death. If you're not vaccinated you don't get the side effects. From a public health perspective, I see no advantage in getting a vaccine. And I certainly don't see how government can mandate something that can kill you. What I see is Big Pharma controlling paid off government representatives at the publics expense.
 

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