Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[dblack]

What propaganda is that?

Oh nothing. Must have been my imagination.

 

[georgephillip]

don't want government to "run" society. Nor the economy. What you're advocating is totalitarian government. One where every goddamned thing is subject to your precious majority rule.

You don't want a majority of society to run government or the economy? Would you prefer billionaires and their state-house lackies perform those tasks?

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[bripat9643]

Who or what controls the monopoly of violence?

Government controls the monopoly on the use of force. That's pretty much the definition of government, dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't want a majority of society to run government or the economy? Would you prefer billionaires and their state-house lackies perform those tasks?

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How about no one runs our society? That's called freedom.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

With less exploitation of productive labor.

How do secondary markets in stocks, for instance, exploit productive labor. Be specific.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Stock Market Is Not the Economy

I've never claimed the stock market is the economy. Not even once.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

2% of Elon Musk's wealth could help solve world hunger, says director of UN food scarcity organization

Horribly, tremendously bad math. David Beasley should be ashamed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"In 2007, Jeff Bezos, then a multibillionaire and now the world’s richest man, did not pay a penny in federal income taxes. He achieved the feat again in 2011.

If he had no income in 2007 or 2011, how much income tax should he have paid?
Show your math.

 

[dblack]

You don't want a majority of society to run government or the economy.

The government should be run democratically. But Democratic socialists want more - way more. They think that, in your words, "both the economy and society should be run democratically". And I absolutely oppose that. In most cases, there's no need for majority rule, no need to force the preferences of the majority on everyone else.

Would you prefer billionaires and their state-house lackies perform those tasks?

Nope. We need to stop government from interfering in the economy period.

 

[georgephillip]

So? Trump never promised to "fundamentally change America" Only commies make such a promise.

Did he lie about that too?

"Trump’s policy record included major changes at home and abroad.

"He achieved a string of long-sought conservative victories domestically, including the biggest corporate tax cuts on record, the elimination of scores of environmental regulations and a reshaping of the federal judiciary.

How America Changed During Trump’s Presidency

"In the international arena, he imposed tough new immigration restrictions, withdrew from several multilateral agreements, forged closer ties with Israel and launched a tit-for-tat trade dispute with China as part of a wider effort to address what he saw as glaring imbalances in America’s economic relationship with other countries."

 

[georgephillip]

What "child" did Jefferson rape?

https://www.phillytrib.com/commenta...cle_f841b673-50ac-5510-8330-20d3bac6f974.html

 

[georgephillip]

Fuck you, twat.

How did your hero treat Haiti, Cracker?

https://www.phillytrib.com/commenta...cle_f841b673-50ac-5510-8330-20d3bac6f974.html

"But he wasn’t merely a domestic racist.

"He was an international racist, too.

"As Secretary of State in 1795, he gave $40,000 and one thousand firearms to colonial French slaveholders in Haiti in an attempt to defeat Toussaint L’Ouverture’s slave rebellion.

"As President, he supported French plans to resume power, lent France $300,000 'for relief of whites on the island,' and in 1804 refused to recognize Haiti as a sovereign republic after its military victory.

"Two years later, he imposed a trade embargo."

"Along with being a perverted, slave-owning, legislative, domestic, and international racist, Jefferson was a blatantly ignorant racist..."

 

[bripat9643]

Did he lie about that too?

"Trump’s policy record included major changes at home and abroad.

"He achieved a string of long-sought conservative victories domestically, including the biggest corporate tax cuts on record, the elimination of scores of environmental regulations and a reshaping of the federal judiciary.

How America Changed During Trump’s Presidency

"In the international arena, he imposed tough new immigration restrictions, withdrew from several multilateral agreements, forged closer ties with Israel and launched a tit-for-tat trade dispute with China as part of a wider effort to address what he saw as glaring imbalances in America’s economic relationship with other countries."

What's your point? Are you claiming he did promise to fundamentally change America?

 

[bripat9643]

How did your hero treat Haiti, Cracker?

https://www.phillytrib.com/commenta...cle_f841b673-50ac-5510-8330-20d3bac6f974.html

"But he wasn’t merely a domestic racist.

"He was an international racist, too.

"As Secretary of State in 1795, he gave $40,000 and one thousand firearms to colonial French slaveholders in Haiti in an attempt to defeat Toussaint L’Ouverture’s slave rebellion.

"As President, he supported French plans to resume power, lent France $300,000 'for relief of whites on the island,' and in 1804 refused to recognize Haiti as a sovereign republic after its military victory.

"Two years later, he imposed a trade embargo."

"Along with being a perverted, slave-owning, legislative, domestic, and international racist, Jefferson was a blatantly ignorant racist..."

Can you name anyone before 1800 who wasn't a racist?

 

[bripat9643]

https://www.phillytrib.com/commenta...cle_f841b673-50ac-5510-8330-20d3bac6f974.html

That's total bullshit. For one thing, in those days 14 years old was of legal age.

Furthermore, you have no idea whether Jefferson raped her. I presume you base that claim on a theory of statutory rape., which is bullshit.

The author of your article is clearly a kook.

 

[themirrorthief]

The leaders we currently elect serve US corporate oligarchs, not the majority.

Do you have a solution?

the rich like those in the democrat party will always rule get used to it

 

[Pilot1]

The US isn't a Democracy, Dumbass.

Correct. It is a Constitutional Representative REPUBLIC. Democracy is MOB RULE.

 

[georgephillip]

Only if you a dumbass unproductive low life that don't have any marketable skills. Of course if you are one of those people then your whole life will be other people running your life.

If you are among the vast majority of productive workers toiling in a capitalist economy, you are one of those people whose entire working life will be controlled by other people.

There's a fundamental question here: who controls and benefits from the economy.

Conservatives believe rich aristocrats deserve to decide what to produce, where to produce it, and, most importantly, how do distribute any profits.

Those who aren't afraid to control their workplaces believe otherwise.

 

[georgephillip]

Leaving the decision making to someone else is the bargain one strikes when signing up to be an "employee". It's not required.

It is required under the capitalist system just as the serf was required to work his lord's land for his entire life and slaves were destined to serve their masters. Socialism breaks that chain for those who aren't afraid of individual liberty coming to the workplace. Obviously, US Libertarians are more comfortable leaving the decision making to someone else.

 

[bripat9643]

It is required under the capitalist system just as the serf was required to work his lord's land for his entire life and slaves were destined to serve their masters. Socialism breaks that chain for those who aren't afraid of individual liberty coming to the workplace. Obviously, US Libertarians are more comfortable leaving the decision making to someone else.

Wrong, NAZI. Under socialism, you're still working for someone else. Show me one socialist country where the majority of the workers aren't taking orders from someone else.