Can Islam Coexist with the West?

[phil44773]

Just wondering what other people think...

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Just wondering what other people think...

What do you think, phil?

 

[Merlin]

Just wondering what other people think...

Yes, it can. But I don't understand why the West allows it to exist at all.

 

[freeandfun1]

Yes, it can. But I don't understand why the West allows it to exist at all.

Islam can only exist with the west if the west is willing to submit to Islam. Read the Koran.

 

[no1tovote4]

Is this one of our one-post wonders? Will we ever hear phil's opinion on the matter?

Of course the Muslim religion can coexist with the west. It in itself is a western religion. In the past there were times when the Muslims, Jews, and Christians would debate in common areas about their religion living in peace and more open minded than even we are now. Why would anybody think that it could not happen again?

During the Dark Ages it was Muslim that was far more open-minded than the Christians of the time. If it was not for the Muslim Nations much of Science and Mathematics would have had to be rediscovered after the strangle-hold on Discovery was lifted by the Church. During that time the Muslim nations were largely the educated and elite, the open-minded allowing for many faiths and much knowledge to be passed unobstructed within their boundaries.

 

[phil44773]

Islam can coexist. All it needs to do is change into a more moderate form of itself, adapt to the world around it. Like Chrisitanity, which used to be a bloody reliogion, Islam can change some of its fundamentalist principles.

 

[dmp]

All islam has to do is change their fundamental belief the ONLY sure way to heaven, to Allah, is to kill a white guy, or other non-believer.

 

[5stringJeff]

Islam can coexist. All it needs to do is change into a more moderate form of itself, adapt to the world around it. Like Chrisitanity, which used to be a bloody reliogion, Islam can change some of its fundamentalist principles.

The difference is that there is no scriptural command in Christianity to kill non-believers if they refuse to convert; there is such a command in Islam. Therefore, we can find great fault in those who decided to kill 'in the name of Christ,' because they were practicing something contrary to their faith. A Muslim killing 'in the name of Allah' is actually following the Koran.

 

[Arabian]

The difference is that there is no scriptural command in Christianity to kill non-believers if they refuse to convert; there is such a command in Islam. Therefore, we can find great fault in those who decided to kill 'in the name of Christ,' because they were practicing something contrary to their faith. A Muslim killing 'in the name of Allah' is actually following the Koran.

then what u call this
. Warfare

Deutronomy (Chapter ) 20: (Verses) 16 & 17

As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you.

This verse is commanding the Jews to kill all of the neighboring nations' citizens on account of their infidelity. Sounds like a very familiar charge, eh.

Exodus 23:24

Do not worship the gods of these other nations or serve them in any way, and never follow their evil example. Instead, you must utterly conquer them and break down their shameful idols.

This is freedom of religion, I think.

Joshua 6:20 & 21


When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it--men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys--everything.

This is, according to Pat Robertson, a religion of love and peace.

II. Society and Culture

Leviticus 24:13-15

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to deat. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.


and this tooo
http://www.gnostics.com/review.sdvb.html

and yeah man up till now u didnt understand the true meaning of Jihad....

 

[no1tovote4]

then what u call this
. Warfare

Deutronomy (Chapter ) 20: (Verses) 16 & 17

As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you.

This verse is commanding the Jews to kill all of the neighboring nations' citizens on account of their infidelity. Sounds like a very familiar charge, eh.

Exodus 23:24

Do not worship the gods of these other nations or serve them in any way, and never follow their evil example. Instead, you must utterly conquer them and break down their shameful idols.

This is freedom of religion, I think.

Joshua 6:20 & 21


When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it--men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys--everything.

This is, according to Pat Robertson, a religion of love and peace.

II. Society and Culture

Leviticus 24:13-15

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to deat. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.


and this tooo
http://www.gnostics.com/review.sdvb.html

and yeah man up till now u didnt understand the true meaning of Jihad....

I call it once again bringing up Old Testament Verses when speaking of a religion that largely only follows the New Testament where the New Covenant with their God was given, the one that says the old laws were rescinded in lieu of the new convenant with their Lord.

So, find a verse in the New Testament that commands the death of millions of innocents and we could probably find agreement. Unfortunately that verse does not exist and you are just incorrectly applying the Old Testament to current Christianity.

 

[freeandfun1]

I call it once again bringing up Old Testament Verses when speaking of a religion that largely only follows the New Testament where the New Covenant with their God was given, the one that says the old laws were rescinded in lieu of the new convenant with their Lord.

So, find a verse in the New Testament that commands the death of millions of innocents and we could probably find agreement. Unfortunately that verse does not exist and you are just incorrectly applying the Old Testament to current Christianity.

Exactly. These verses more aptly apply to Muslims and Jews than Christians.

 

[5stringJeff]

then what u call this
. Warfare

Deutronomy (Chapter ) 20: (Verses) 16 & 17

As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you.

This verse is commanding the Jews to kill all of the neighboring nations' citizens on account of their infidelity. Sounds like a very familiar charge, eh.

This charge was given to the Israelites as they were entering the land God gave them. They were to destroy these specific cultures because they engaged in abhorrent practices like child sacrifice and temple prostitution, and had done so for 400 years.

Exodus 23:24

Do not worship the gods of these other nations or serve them in any way, and never follow their evil example. Instead, you must utterly conquer them and break down their shameful idols.

This is freedom of religion, I think.

God does not respect freedom of religion - America does.

Joshua 6:20 & 21

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it--men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys--everything.

This is, according to Pat Robertson, a religion of love and peace.

See my answer to #1.

II. Society and Culture

Leviticus 24:13-15

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to deat. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.

and this tooo
http://www.gnostics.com/review.sdvb.html

and yeah man up till now u didnt understand the true meaning of Jihad....

Again, this is an Old Testament command, and it applies to people who saw God's miracles firsthand, and had no reason to blaspheme against God.

Poor examples.