But racism no longer exists....

[midcan5]

I'm not sure what world people live in who claim there is little racism today, all we would need is an economic disaster and they will come out of the walls. Actually they aren't too far away at any time. Having lived now in a big city and corporate America as long as I have it has lessened but it is still very evident especially among the uneducated. Maybe that is why people online feel it is no more. The piece below makes clear progress is slow coming.

'The Year in Hate Active U.S. Hate Groups Rise to 888 in 2007'

By David Holthouse and Mark Potok

"The latest annual count by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) found that the number of hate groups operating in America rose to 888 last year, up 5% from 844 groups in 2006. That capped an increase of 48% since 2000 — a hike from 602 groups attributable to the exploitation by hate groups of the continuing debate about immigration. And it comes on top of some 300 other anti-immigration groups, about half listed by SPLC as "nativist extremist," formed in the last three years.

At the same time, FBI statistics suggested that there was a 35% rise in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003 and 2006. Experts believe that such crimes are typically carried out by people who think they are attacking immigrants."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=886

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

 

[jreeves]

I'm not sure what world people live in who claim there is little racism today, all we would need is an economic disaster and they will come out of the walls. Actually they aren't too far away at any time. Having lived now in a big city and corporate America as long as I have it has lessened but it is still very evident especially among the uneducated. Maybe that is why people online feel it is no more. The piece below makes clear progress is slow coming.

'The Year in Hate Active U.S. Hate Groups Rise to 888 in 2007'

By David Holthouse and Mark Potok

"The latest annual count by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) found that the number of hate groups operating in America rose to 888 last year, up 5% from 844 groups in 2006. That capped an increase of 48% since 2000 — a hike from 602 groups attributable to the exploitation by hate groups of the continuing debate about immigration. And it comes on top of some 300 other anti-immigration groups, about half listed by SPLC as "nativist extremist," formed in the last three years.

At the same time, FBI statistics suggested that there was a 35% rise in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003 and 2006. Experts believe that such crimes are typically carried out by people who think they are attacking immigrants."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=886

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

What's your point midcan? Is that the majority of hate crimes are perputrated by blacks? Maybe I missing something from the stat links you posted?

 

[Diuretic]

I think it might be that when things get tough miniorities start getting hammered by nativist extremists. It's not just the US either, it happens everywhere and has happened throughout history.

 

[jreeves]

I think it might be that when things get tough miniorities start getting hammered by nativist extremists. It's not just the US either, it happens everywhere and has happened throughout history.

But that's not what the stats show....

 

[William Joyce]

The SPLC does not consider crimes against whites to be hate crimes. Their real agenda is to eliminate the white race. This is a group we should believe?

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/article.php?PostID=460

 

[Swamp Fox]

I'm not sure what world people live in who claim there is little racism today, all we would need is an economic disaster and they will come out of the walls. Actually they aren't too far away at any time. Having lived now in a big city and corporate America as long as I have it has lessened but it is still very evident especially among the uneducated. Maybe that is why people online feel it is no more. The piece below makes clear progress is slow coming.

'The Year in Hate Active U.S. Hate Groups Rise to 888 in 2007'

By David Holthouse and Mark Potok

"The latest annual count by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) found that the number of hate groups operating in America rose to 888 last year, up 5% from 844 groups in 2006. That capped an increase of 48% since 2000 — a hike from 602 groups attributable to the exploitation by hate groups of the continuing debate about immigration. And it comes on top of some 300 other anti-immigration groups, about half listed by SPLC as "nativist extremist," formed in the last three years.

At the same time, FBI statistics suggested that there was a 35% rise in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003 and 2006. Experts believe that such crimes are typically carried out by people who think they are attacking immigrants."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=886

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

The problem with these stats is that is one person who is associated with another hate group tries to join or joins another group, that group is then classified as racist as well. As a result, numerous of the anti-immigrant groups that have sprung up throughout the southwest have been given the raist label.

 

[Diuretic]

But that's not what the stats show....

How about evidence? Evidence gained by looking at history to prove that this is an innate human tendency?

 

[jreeves]

How about evidence? Evidence gained by looking at history to prove that this is an innate human tendency?

So your telling me racism isn't learned its biological? That's BS

 

[Gunny]

I'm not sure what world people live in who claim there is little racism today, all we would need is an economic disaster and they will come out of the walls. Actually they aren't too far away at any time. Having lived now in a big city and corporate America as long as I have it has lessened but it is still very evident especially among the uneducated. Maybe that is why people online feel it is no more. The piece below makes clear progress is slow coming.

'The Year in Hate Active U.S. Hate Groups Rise to 888 in 2007'

By David Holthouse and Mark Potok

"The latest annual count by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) found that the number of hate groups operating in America rose to 888 last year, up 5% from 844 groups in 2006. That capped an increase of 48% since 2000 — a hike from 602 groups attributable to the exploitation by hate groups of the continuing debate about immigration. And it comes on top of some 300 other anti-immigration groups, about half listed by SPLC as "nativist extremist," formed in the last three years.

At the same time, FBI statistics suggested that there was a 35% rise in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003 and 2006. Experts believe that such crimes are typically carried out by people who think they are attacking immigrants."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=886

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

Simple fact. It is against Federal law to discriminate against someone for their race. Legally, it does not exist.

Another simple fact: Racists exist. Get over it. Nothing anyone can say or do will EVER completely extinguish it. It defies the history of mankind and it defies the laws of nature to think that it will.

The sensationalization and fearmongering that goes on with you folks with hair triggers just looking for excuses to fire that word IMO perpetuates racism every bit as much as the racists do. In other words, you ain't helping.

The same laws that protect your right to freedom of speech protect theirs. Want a one-way street? Move to Germany. I think that's where Holocaust deniers are charged with a crime.

Personally, I like them having freedom to run their mouthes. That way I know who they are.

 

[midcan5]

"In February 2008, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination faulted the US for failing to address racism against its racial minorities--criticism receiving scant news media attention in comparison to the orgy of coverage on comments by Rev. Wright.

Irrespective of Rev. Wright's remarks, it's wrong to put America's long festering race woes solely on the back of Barack.

Instead of Hillary Clinton or John McCain showing self-proclaimed leadership by denouncing the duplicity of using Obama's candidacy as a barometer for racism in America, the pair remained silent, savoring political advantage."

http://www.counterpunch.org/washington03252008.html

Another example of conservative msm.

 

[Ravi]

So your telling me racism isn't learned its biological? That's BS

It's most likely both. The us vs. them mentality is ingrained in us, most likely because we want "us" to survive and not "them." There is also a learned element to it that drives people over the edge of rationality.

 

[Ravi]

using Obama's candidacy as a barometer for racism in America

huh? What does that mean exactly?

 

[midcan5]

huh? What does that mean exactly?

Read the entire piece it is pretty clear.

 

[frazzledgear]

I'm not sure what world people live in who claim there is little racism today, all we would need is an economic disaster and they will come out of the walls. Actually they aren't too far away at any time. Having lived now in a big city and corporate America as long as I have it has lessened but it is still very evident especially among the uneducated. Maybe that is why people online feel it is no more. The piece below makes clear progress is slow coming.

'The Year in Hate Active U.S. Hate Groups Rise to 888 in 2007'

By David Holthouse and Mark Potok

"The latest annual count by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) found that the number of hate groups operating in America rose to 888 last year, up 5% from 844 groups in 2006. That capped an increase of 48% since 2000 — a hike from 602 groups attributable to the exploitation by hate groups of the continuing debate about immigration. And it comes on top of some 300 other anti-immigration groups, about half listed by SPLC as "nativist extremist," formed in the last three years.

At the same time, FBI statistics suggested that there was a 35% rise in hate crimes against Latinos between 2003 and 2006. Experts believe that such crimes are typically carried out by people who think they are attacking immigrants."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=886

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

I have a problem with articles like these. The claim that the rate of hate crimes and rate of growth in hate groups increased is very misleading and causes people to reach incorrect conclusions. The one article claiming a growth in the number of hate groups -correctly points out there are more groups. But you have to get way into the article to discover that the primary reason for this is that several large groups splintered during this time period, resulting in smaller groups, sometimes MANY smaller groups. Same people involved, just different group name they operate under. In fact, there hasn't been a substantial growth even in the number of people who have joined such groups, much less any growth in the percent of all people who would join such groups. So it is misleading to present this as some kind of significant growth.

Secondly, whether ANY specific crime actually grew or not cannot be determined alone just by the number of those kinds of crimes without ANY context to the percentage it represents of ALL crime as well as in relation to the percent of population growth during that same time period.

If 48% of all people in a specific population end up getting married each year -and the population is 100,000 people -then you would expect 48,000 people to get married that year. If the population grows by 3% next year to 103,000 -and you find that 49,940 people have married -then in reality NOTHING has changed about the rate of marriage. It would be extremely misleading for any news media to report there has been a growth in the rate of marriage. If the population increases by 3% and the marriage rate dropped 1%, then you are still going to see 1,400 more marriages than the year before -even though the rate has DROPPED. This is how we are deceived by the way in which hate crimes are reported.

Hate crimes are nearly always reported by counting the number of hate crimes that occurred, comparing them to the number that occurred the year before -and if there are more, it is reported to be an increase in the RATE of hate crimes. But if taken totally out of context to any increase in population AND as a percent of ALL crimes, it is misleading people to believe something that just isn't true about hate crimes and Americans in general.

These articles aren't reporting that a greater percentage of all people now commit hate crimes than used to commit them. It isn't even reporting that hate crimes represent a higher percentage of ALL crimes that are committed -because neither of those is true at all and in fact, a slightly lower percent of all people commit hate crimes or join hate groups. But if either of those were true, THAT would represent a growth in hate crime and that would TRULY be alarming. But there has been no such increase. The percentage of all people who commit hate crimes has dropped slightly, and hate crimes still represent a relatively unchanged and small fraction of all crimes committed. But because our population grew at a higher rate than the drop in the percent of all people who commit hate crimes -that means there will still be an increase in the number of those crimes.

So how to portray the US as this seething hotbed of hatred, injustice and bigotry that is only getting worse and worse? With headlines trying to lead you to believe that a higher percentage of all Americans now commit hate crimes, and that a higher percentage of all Americans join hate groups etc. In reality, the increase in the NUMBER of hate crimes is entirely consistent with an increase in population and a slightly lower rate of hate crimes. Just like my example of marriage in a population -where the rate of marriage dropped 1% yet due to population increase, the actual number of marriages increased. That increase in the number of marriages in that population -was due entirely to population growth in no way represented a growth in the rate of marriage.

Now compare that to the very REAL rise in the rate of hate crimes in specific places elsewhere in the world -and some very alarming trends can be seen that don't exist here. Anti-semitism is a very real part of European history in a way it has never been a part of our own history. It is so deeply entrenched in Europe that it has never been eradicated and just subsides after violence, only to once again flare up and eventually lead to geat violence against Jews. And the percent of Europeans who admit to anti-semitic bigotry today -has risen so much and so fast in the past 6 years in Europe that anti-semitism hasn't been this high in Europe since 1939. Now THAT is an alarming growth.

 

[jreeves]

It's most likely both. The us vs. them mentality is ingrained in us, most likely because we want "us" to survive and not "them." There is also a learned element to it that drives people over the edge of rationality.

I completely disagree, I believe racism is most certainly learned and not programmed in our genetics.

 

[Ravi]

I completely disagree, I believe racism is most certainly learned and not programmed in our genetics.

Maybe racism is the wrong word but I do think we are genetically programmed to associate with and be loyal to our own kind.

 

[Anguille]

Maybe racism is the wrong word but I do think we are genetically programmed to associate with and be loyal to our own kind.

I agree with what you are saying. We are social animals and racism is an extreme extension of how we determine what tribe we belong to.

Genetics has something to do with it. Certainly upbringing accentuates it. But racists may well carry an extra hate gene.

We are learning more and more how personality is linked to our genetic make up. I think racism is nature and nurture combined.

 

[lordspike8319]

I'd like to toss out my two cents. Racism is kinda like the war on drugs. No matter how hard you fight it or how much progress you think you've made there will always be people who see themselves as the ruling race.

Hate Crime laws don't help against racism if anything it lets you know who is being "protected" at any given time. I hate to be the one to tell you this but nearly every violent crime in the world is a hate crime. Doesn't matter if your white black brown yellow red or anyother color. If I beat the holy hell out fo someone odds are I didn't like em.

Hate Crimes is something else we have made that has backfired. People don't want to be treated differently even in death. I have meet more than a few black and latino people who tell me they feel hate crime law is racist against whites.

Anti-imigrant groups are just as bad because they forgot the most important word in their group Anti-Illegal-Imigrant groups is what they should be. Everyone here myself included is first second third fourth or later generation imigrant. My great great great great great grandfather came here from Ireland in the early 18 hundreds.

Legal imigrants are no different than us there just newer. Now yes does seeing everything in spanish slightly piss me off. Yes. If your going to provide spanish to people might as well add Many other Latino and Asian languages as well. I live now in a heavy Asian area and many of them complain becuase they had to learn english why can't the new batch. I don't have the answers for them.

In short we need to realize that some people are going to call racism rather it's there or not and some people are going to suffer in silence because they are afriad to speak out. It's a sad state of things, but there are no real answers.

That's my opinion and your welcome to yours

 

[jreeves]

Maybe racism is the wrong word but I do think we are genetically programmed to associate with and be loyal to our own kind.

I would agree that we are born with the genetics to gravitate toward similar people and things we associate the same as us. But hate is unfornately passed down through nuture.

 

[MikeK]

So your telling me racism isn't learned its biological? That's BS

It's most likely both. The us vs. them mentality is ingrained in us, most likely because we want "us" to survive and not "them." There is also a learned element to it that drives people over the edge of rationality.

These discussions of racial discord go on endlessly as if all participants are indisputably certain the words, racism and racist, mean the same things to each and every one of them, when in fact few of those who make frequent and boldly confident use of these words are able to clearly and correctly define them. So I would like to ask those who make frequent or occasional use of the words, racist and/or racism, to tell us what they believe those controversial words mean.

And, please, no copying from a dictionary.