Body of Christ

[ding]

Only deep cultural archetype such as religion can explain human behavior. No scientific mind can equally deduce the human thirst for blood. A time honored religious tradition is finding a way around their own rules. Science by definition should at least try to avoid that luxury.

Religion has no problem with killing or human sacrifice such as dying on the cross to forgive the sins of others. Religion will sacrifice the right person for a foot fault.

This thread has a promising opening, so perhaps it is not too late to generate a positive discussion.

Fact: Religion does have--and since the day of Abraham has had--huge problems with killing and human sacrifice. As Jews (and Catholics for that matter) insist, the Bible is meant, not to be read, but studied. Cursory reading (as recommended during the Enlightenment period) has resulted in huge misunderstandings as people have this very human habit of leaping to the wrong conclusions, those often being fantastic conclusions.

1. Early people began human sacrifice. Genesis tells us of God stepping in and preventing Abraham from sacrificing his son. Since God prevented Isaac from being sacrificed, Jews continued to honor God's wish of no human sacrifice.

2. Jesus was not sacrificed. Rather he became a sacrifice when his obedience to the will of God ran afoul with those in power at the time. He gave his life rather than bow to the elite of his day. Jesus himself pointed out that he knew he was in trouble with the authorities and that it was going to get him killed. However, he would freely lay down his life for his own cause, which was repentance for the forgiveness of sins instead of paying the Temple (in form of various offerings) for the forgiveness of sins.

Religion is the original self improvement or human improvement. It is repenting (turning away from) what is wrong and replacing that with obedience to what is right and good.

Perpetual war is the exact opposite of human improvement. Christians have a disposition to kill, so Jesus won't be happy until all the brown people are dead. I'm trying to show how easy it is for government to transform their sheep into wolves.

What exactly is perpetual war?

Wars, like forest fires serve a purpose, they burn off old growth so that new growth may occur. You might even say that wars are a part of nature. There is a self correcting law of compensation at work. Which makes perfect sense because error cannot stand, eventually it must fail.

So maybe what you see as perpetual war is really a cycle like winter, spring, summer and fall which keeps repeating until we get it right; both at a societal and a personal level.

According to you, crucifying Jesus was a fertility ritual, so let's go with that. The Jews were tired of getting their ass kicked in endless war so a rabbi had to be sacrificed in order to save the pedigree. But now that Jesus has the most bombs, the self correcting law of compensation allows for bankers to go back to stealing precious metals and gemstones from around the world.

The cycle of life.

No. According to me, crucifying Jesus wasn't a fertility ritual. That would be according to you. Build strawmen much?

 

[ding]

Only deep cultural archetype such as religion can explain human behavior. No scientific mind can equally deduce the human thirst for blood. A time honored religious tradition is finding a way around their own rules. Science by definition should at least try to avoid that luxury.

Religion has no problem with killing or human sacrifice such as dying on the cross to forgive the sins of others. Religion will sacrifice the right person for a foot fault.

I think your premise is flawed but dying is a part of life.

Killing is part of life too but Christians are under the assumption it will bring peace on earth. Why not live and let live the way Jesus wants you to?

Again you are building a logical fallacy strawman.

It seems to me that you want to see only the bad and none of the good. The reality is that by any objective measure, Christianity has been a force for good. I don't believe you are taking a balanced view.

 

[Meriweather]

Everything that is happening in the world today is in reaction to the U.S. foreign policy of might makes right.

Rather, whether it is a personal effort or a national one, right takes might.

 

[Meriweather]

Christians believe they gain strength and power from eating the flesh of Christ but I don't see the war on poor brown people as humbleness or the best possible version of human behavior.

I do not see a "war" on poor brown people. Please give a specific example.

 

[Meriweather]

Both democrats and republicans are scared into depending on the same god of for-profit wars. That's my point, Christians refuse to question their god or government.

Again, it is best not to state what others believe. Creating straw men you claim are refusing to question God or government and calling them Christian is not truth. In fact, it is far from it.

 

[Meriweather]

Killing is part of life too but Christians are under the assumption it will bring peace on earth. Why not live and let live the way Jesus wants you to?

Wrong. It appears you believe Jesus came to teach nations and governments how to bring peace between themselves. Jesus said the exact opposite, that there would always be war. What Jesus taught was addressed to individuals about how to live in peace and bring peace into your (personal) world--among your family, colleagues, and friends.

 

[Meriweather]

According to you, crucifying Jesus was a fertility ritual, so let's go with that. The Jews were tired of getting their ass kicked in endless war so a rabbi had to be sacrificed in order to save the pedigree. But now that Jesus has the most bombs, the self correcting law of compensation allows for bankers to go back to stealing precious metals and gemstones from around the world.

The cycle of life.

Starting with a wrong premise only results in mistakes in the paragraph which results in the error in the conclusion.

 

[norwegen]

You do not know what the body of Christ is.

Please explain.

First, if you suppose that his body must be corporeal, which you do, then his body is not a piece of bread.

Jesus' body is the church. He died for the church (Acts 20:28).

Jesus is the vine; his followers are the branches. Remember that when reading the story in context. Jesus will not partake of the body again or its cup until the kingdom comes (Mt 26:29; Mk 14:25; Lk 22:18). When the kingdom of God comes, then he partakes of that fruit again. The vine, which is Jesus and his branches, has borne much fruit in the world. The Christianized West is a prime example.

This is why Jesus died. Through the church, God is glorified on the earth again (read Hebrews).

I'm going by the sacrament of communion where children are consecrated by symbolically eating the flesh of Christ. This ritual forces a child to give up their individualism and assimilate into the cult.

Christians believe they are superior to others because they were initiated into a gang by eating human flesh. Boedicca and others proved that with their personal attacks and claims that I am only here to offend the majority of members.

I'm trying to show how that mindset of superiority is directly responsible for the malevolence we see today, both domestic and global.

You pounce on Christians in your OP, and you expected them not to recoil?

The Lord's supper is not about eating the flesh of Christ. The Bible does not say that. The flesh is useless; even Jesus says so (Jn 6:63). The Lord's supper is symbolic of eating the body of Christ. That is what Jesus says. Churches that teach otherwise teach wrong.

And everyone has a superiority complex. Muslims think Islam is superior. Buddhists think Buddhism is superior. So what?

I credited religion for being able to explain the duality of human behavior. You are splitting hairs with your distinction between body and flesh. Everything that is happening in the world today is in reaction to the U.S. foreign policy of might makes right.

The difference between body and flesh is rather significant. The church is Christ's body. The canon says so. It's his new, incorruptible body. It is not his flesh; that was torn asunder on the cross. Ripped apart like the veil was in the Temple to expose the holy place, where God and man partook of the bread of presence together.

The church is where God and man dwell together on the earth. The Lord's supper commemorates that body, which he bled for. We are in communion with him now.

 

[hobelim]

Please explain.

First, if you suppose that his body must be corporeal, which you do, then his body is not a piece of bread.

Jesus' body is the church. He died for the church (Acts 20:28).

Jesus is the vine; his followers are the branches. Remember that when reading the story in context. Jesus will not partake of the body again or its cup until the kingdom comes (Mt 26:29; Mk 14:25; Lk 22:18). When the kingdom of God comes, then he partakes of that fruit again. The vine, which is Jesus and his branches, has borne much fruit in the world. The Christianized West is a prime example.

This is why Jesus died. Through the church, God is glorified on the earth again (read Hebrews).

I'm going by the sacrament of communion where children are consecrated by symbolically eating the flesh of Christ. This ritual forces a child to give up their individualism and assimilate into the cult.

Christians believe they are superior to others because they were initiated into a gang by eating human flesh. Boedicca and others proved that with their personal attacks and claims that I am only here to offend the majority of members.

I'm trying to show how that mindset of superiority is directly responsible for the malevolence we see today, both domestic and global.

You pounce on Christians in your OP, and you expected them not to recoil?

The Lord's supper is not about eating the flesh of Christ. The Bible does not say that. The flesh is useless; even Jesus says so (Jn 6:63). The Lord's supper is symbolic of eating the body of Christ. That is what Jesus says. Churches that teach otherwise teach wrong.

And everyone has a superiority complex. Muslims think Islam is superior. Buddhists think Buddhism is superior. So what?

I credited religion for being able to explain the duality of human behavior. You are splitting hairs with your distinction between body and flesh. Everything that is happening in the world today is in reaction to the U.S. foreign policy of might makes right.

The difference between body and flesh is rather significant. The church is Christ's body. The canon says so. It's his new, incorruptible body. It is not his flesh; that was torn asunder on the cross. Ripped apart like the veil was in the Temple to expose the holy place, where God and man partook of the bread of presence together.

The church is where God and man dwell together on the earth. The Lord's supper commemorates that body, which he bled for. We are in communion with him now.

Just as in kosher law the flesh of one creature or another is symbolic of their teaching.

The Body of Christ consists of the words that form the body of teaching that Jesus received from God like manna from heaven about the figurative nature of the language and hidden subjects in the divine commands.


If you do not have this teaching in you you are not a member of the Body of Christ.


There is no other way for Christ to be in and with the church or any individual member of that church without sharing that same teaching from God that became the flesh of Jesus, given for the life of the world.


Jesus taught the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that fulfills the promise of life in the kingdom of God rendering the teaching of the talmud, what Jesus called "the traditions of men", obsolete, the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.


If you do not have The Body of Christ in you, if you do not eat his flesh and drink his blood - receive his teaching and act accordingly - you cannot have the life promised by God for obedience to his law in you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If you do not have The Body of Christ in you, if you do not eat his flesh and drink his blood - receive his teaching and act accordingly - you cannot have the life promised by God for obedience to his law in you.

What a nauseating, arrogant threat. Really ,truly vile and embarrassing.

 

[hobelim]

If you do not have The Body of Christ in you, if you do not eat his flesh and drink his blood - receive his teaching and act accordingly - you cannot have the life promised by God for obedience to his law in you.

What a nauseating, arrogant threat. Really ,truly vile and embarrassing.

lol... What threat? A threat to your derision? A threat to your comfortability with darkness and confusion?

Thats a shame.

To others it is the answer that they have been waiting for and the fulfillment of a lifetime of fruitless efforts to make rational sense of and understand the teachings of Jesus in a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality which vindicates their faith in a loving and benevolent God and fulfills the promises made in both the Old and New testaments.

 

[7vices]

The U.S. is a religious nation. The U.S. is also the most violent nation in the world. Christians deny this correlation with alternative facts, but in reality, Christians put their god before country with morals of convenience. Christians deny any responsibility for the state of the union and instead blame powerless minorities.

There is no way to reason with a Christian. They were given all the answers to mystery and believe by eating the flesh of Jesus, they themselves become god.

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself.

 

[Meriweather]

The U.S. is a religious nation. The U.S. is also the most violent nation in the world. Christians deny this correlation with alternative facts, but in reality, Christians put their god before country with morals of convenience. Christians deny any responsibility for the state of the union and instead blame powerless minorities.

There is no way to reason with a Christian. They were given all the answers to mystery and believe by eating the flesh of Jesus, they themselves become god.

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself.

For the third time (always a charm), It is a mistake to tell others what they believe or are doing. Possibly, the cause for not being able to "reason" with us, lies in the misapprehension of true Christian beliefs and teachings.

Let's turn this around and see if the point can be better made when the tables are turned. If, for example, someone were to say: It is impossible to reason with critics of Christianity because they are uneducated and jump to foolish conclusions. Further, non-Christians are inept at sports, teaching, and governing...critics of Christianity would rightfully point out none of that was true, and like Christians you are attacking, will simply shrug and walk away as there is nothing interesting or worthwhile in debating a straw man with straw issues.

 

[7vices]

The U.S. is a religious nation. The U.S. is also the most violent nation in the world. Christians deny this correlation with alternative facts, but in reality, Christians put their god before country with morals of convenience. Christians deny any responsibility for the state of the union and instead blame powerless minorities.

There is no way to reason with a Christian. They were given all the answers to mystery and believe by eating the flesh of Jesus, they themselves become god.

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself.

For the third time (always a charm), It is a mistake to tell others what they believe or are doing. Possibly, the cause for not being able to "reason" with us, lies in the misapprehension of true Christian beliefs and teachings.

Let's turn this around and see if the point can be better made when the tables are turned. If, for example, someone were to say: It is impossible to reason with critics of Christianity because they are uneducated and jump to foolish conclusions. Further, non-Christians are inept at sports, teaching, and governing...critics of Christianity would rightfully point out none of that was true, and like Christians you are attacking, will simply shrug and walk away as there is nothing interesting or worthwhile in debating a straw man with straw issues.

yes or no
Does your bible tell you that you will become a god by eating the body of Christ?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Perpetual war is the exact opposite of human improvement. Christians have a disposition to kill, so Jesus won't be happy until all the brown people are dead. I'm trying to show how easy it is for government to transform their sheep into wolves.

Nonsense. If you are speaking of illegal immigration across the Mexican border, America has offered two methods for asylum seekers. First, once they enter Mexico, they may begin the process from that country. Two, they may enter through a legal port of entry. We are a country of laws. People seeking asylum in a country of laws, may not want to begin their new life in their new country of laws by breaking the law.

Many Christians and American citizens believe we should expedite the process of legal entry

Cowardice Is the Crime That Enables All Others

We need to quit giving anybody asylum; it is self-righteous foolishness to give sanctuary to foreign runaways. Let them stay over there and change whatever drove them here; that is their patriotic duty to their own people.

Going all the way USA, we should also
deport that power-hungry revolutionary Turkish cleric who became the starting point of Erdogan turning anti-American.

 

[7vices]

Only deep cultural archetype such as religion can explain human behavior. No scientific mind can equally deduce the human thirst for blood. A time honored religious tradition is finding a way around their own rules. Science by definition should at least try to avoid that luxury.

Religion has no problem with killing or human sacrifice such as dying on the cross to forgive the sins of others. Religion will sacrifice the right person for a foot fault.

I think your premise is flawed but dying is a part of life.

Killing is part of life too but Christians are under the assumption it will bring peace on earth. Why not live and let live the way Jesus wants you to?

Again you are building a logical fallacy strawman.

It seems to me that you want to see only the bad and none of the good. The reality is that by any objective measure, Christianity has been a force for good. I don't believe you are taking a balanced view.

Christianity originated to end the 700 years of Jewish wars. The new god was christened the Prince of Peace. That all ended once Christians had the most weapons and continues today under the U.S. Empire. What good can possibly come from bombing the world into submission? There is no way to rationalize with anyone who believes they become a god by eating the body of Christ.

Post your top 5 list of reality that by any objective measure Christianity has been a force for good.

 

[Meriweather]

yes or no
Does your bible tell you that you will become a god by eating the body of Christ?

No.

 

[Meriweather]

Cowardice Is the Crime That Enables All Others

We need to quit giving anybody asylum; it is self-righteous foolishness to give sanctuary to foreign runaways. Let them stay over there and change whatever drove them here; that is their patriotic duty to their own people.

Going all the way USA, we should also
deport that power-hungry revolutionary Turkish cleric who became the starting point of Erdogan turning anti-American.

I have no problem for those seeking asylum, as long as it is done legally, through legal ports of entry. It is the, "We'll come in anyway we want!" that annoys me.

 

[7vices]

yes or no
Does your bible tell you that you will become a god by eating the body of Christ?

No.

Try reading Corinthians.

 

[Meriweather]

Try reading Corinthians.

Forget "reading" it. Try studying it.