Biden has turned our allies against us

[Jarlaxle]

Here's the problem, it didn't matter whether Biden yanked us out quickly, or Trump's slow drawdown would have done so in an orderly manner.
The overall problem would have still been there, a 7th century barbaric religion that vehemently oppresses girls/women and preaches hate towards other religions. You could spend a century there and they would still be living in the 7th century. They are brainwashed five times per day via prayer and via government enforcement.
Hell, Muslims have been killing each other for centuries, as each side claims that the other "isn't a true Muslim." If they didn't have that issue to focus on, they would use all their tactics to focus on non-Muslims.

The difference is between withdrawing in an orderly manner...and running away, leaving thousands of Americans behind.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Well, we went in to go after bin Laden and his al Qaeda followers who had been hiding out in the mountains of Afghanistan and also traveling between there and Pakistan. The trouble is that we had to side with the Taliban opponents in order to be able to set up shop and work from there, rather than just go after bin Laden and al Qaeda via satellite and air strikes from other nations, which wouldn't have worked.
As for changing culture, we did change the Japanese culture to a modern thriving free-market capitalist nation, but unlike Afghanistan, their religions, Shinto and Buddhism aren't violent and the Emperor was a main guide in the nation and became more of just a figurehead after WWII.
Islam is the most violent and barbaric religion still in existence and will unlikely ever change, especially in Afghanistan and because of the estimated 320,000,000 Islamists on Earth that want all non-believers converted, subjugated or killed we will never know true peace with them.

There was (and is) only one way to actually win: treat Afghanistan like Carthage.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Nonsense. All we did was try and nation build. THAT was our stupidity. Our job was to make the enemy bleed. MOAB's are very good at that. Drop lots of them, then leave.

Nerve gas is even better.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Theaters and mini skirts you say. How many people did really enjoy this things? Some parts of Kabul?

Why did the Chinese were able to do that, but the Americans weren't?

The Chinese don't give a rat fuck about PR problems or high body counts.

 

[Meathead]

Stone age? They had movie theaters, cafes, international schools, rock and roll and mini skirts.

The world has known about Afghan's lithium and other abundant natural resources since 1960, but there was no demand and Afghanistan is landlocked.. so there was no way to get their stuff to market... The Chinese changed all that years ago.

Afghanistan, like sub-Saharan Africa, has always been a shithole. South Africa was the one exception until they let primitive people rule it.