Biden, America, Russia, Ukraine-can we go through World War Three standing on our heads? Washington thinks it can.

[Rigby5]

Putin is just like every other war monger who invaded other countries to GAIN power....Europe has had plenty of these assholes who have started wars all over the place.

That is silly.
War mongers who invade other countries are profit motivated, to steal resources.
Russia NEVER has done that, and gained nothing from their temporary occupation of places like Hungary, Poland, Afghanistan, etc.
It is the US that invades in order to steal, like the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada, 1953 Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc.

How long did people expect Putin to ignore Kyiv's oil thefts, massacres of ethnic Russians, treaty violations, attempts to join NATO, etc. It was only NATO weapons that was the last straw. Kyiv clearly forced Russia with repeated acts of war.

 

[Rigby5]

Nobody cares what Russia wants. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, they can. Take your Russian defense and propaganda elsewhere.

Wrong.
The 1992 treaties signed by Kyiv to give the Ukraine independence, were DEPENDENT upon NEVER joining organizations like NATO, that were openly hostile to Russia.
Violating those 1992 treaties makes the Ukraine null and void as a country.
They no longer legally exist.

And if you knew anything about history, you would know that half of the Ukraine was actually part of Russia for over 1000 years, and it was Khrushchev the Ukrainian who illegally gave those provinces to the Ukraine in 1955.
Those provinces should always have been returned to Russia, under the principles of local autonomy.
They are 93% ethnic Russian populations.

 

[Rigby5]

If you actually believe it's worth risking our country to make it possible for Ukraine to be in NATO then you aren't very bright, IMO. Do you really believe Putin will just walk away? Do you think he couldn't possibly use a low-yield nuke or two in Ukraine? An airburst with a 1-5 KT weapon would instantly neutralize a city like Kyiv or Kharkiv and there would be minimal fallout.

IMO, and I've been watching this drama since the late 60s, the moment Putin decided to change the nuclear doctrine for Russia in 2000, he set the stage for a war in Europe that would see nukes detonated. He acknowledged the reality that Russia alone could not hope to match NATO in conventional terms so he began building newer, lower-yield bombs. They have a 10:1 superiority over the west in that class of weapon. The idea is that the doctrine of mutually assured destruction can be set aside and whoever has the biggest balls can win a conventional war by popping one or two of those firecrackers after territory is grabbed and before the enemy can throw them off of it.

The danger of that situation escalating is off the charts.

And if the US keeps getting involved, 3 airburst EMPs over the US, and not a single car, truck, train, plane, cellphone, computer, etc., would ever work again.
The US would instantly be back to the stone age and never able to recover.

 

[PinktheFloyd88]

The 1992 treaties signed by Kyiv to give the Ukraine independence, were DEPENDENT upon NEVER joining organizations like NATO, that were openly hostile to Russia.
Violating those 1992 treaties makes the Ukraine null and void as a country.
They no longer legally exist.

Sounds good Comrade. 5 Rubles have been deposited to your account. Your Motherland thanks you for glorious service.

 

[konradv]

Wrong.
Russia is not "bad" and has acted legally and responsibly.
They ignored the Ukraine stealing oil as far back as 2009, the murders of over 14k ethnic Russians by fascist racist Azov Battalion starting in 2014, the constant treaty violations, etc. It is only the recent attempts by Zelensky to put NATO nukes on Russia's border that was the last straw.
Anyone not supporting Putin when he clearly is legally in the right, is just a lying political hack.

You’re just echoing Russian propaganda. I’d wager that 95% of that isn’t true. For example, how could NATO nukes be put on Russia’s border, when Ukraine isn’t a member and isn’t likely to be anytime soon?