Beware of the FAIRtax 2022 Candidate Pledge

[johnwk]

Not at all. The excise tax surprised me,

Are you now beginning to realize the alleged fairtax may actually be a rope-a-dope con job to expand the taxing power of the federal government and tighten its grip on the necks of America's working-class people?

 

[WinterBorn]

Are you now beginning to realize the alleged fairtax may actually be a rope-a-dope con job to expand the taxing power of the federal government and tighten its grip on the necks of America's working-class people?

I don't think that the Fair Tax Act is doing that. The federal gov't already has all the power it need to keep the working class in line. It takes 1/3 of their income when they earn it. Then taxes their savings, their purchases and more. And it can demand to know every detail about the amount and how the income was earned. If that wasn't enough, the IRS can audit you as punishment.

 

[whitehall]

Think the FBI is scary? Wait until armed IRS agents swoop in to confiscate your property.

 

[johnwk]

I don't think that the Fair Tax Act is doing that. The federal gov't already has all the power it need to keep the working class in line. It takes 1/3 of their income when they earn it. Then taxes their savings, their purchases and more. And it can demand to know every detail about the amount and how the income was earned. If that wasn't enough, the IRS can audit you as punishment.

And all that crap continues for taxpayers who are subject to the alleged fairtax. Of course, all that crap can be ended by adopting the following 32 words into our constitution:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


Adopting the above words into our Constitution would return us to our Constitution's original tax plan which provides checks and balances to control the actions of Congress and are necessary for good government.

What I can't understand is, and maybe you can explain, the above words would actually accomplish what the ringleaders of the fairtax say they want to accomplish. So, why do those words not appear in their proposed fairtax legislation?

Just curious.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I've been hearing about the Fair Tax for over 20 years. It will never happen.

 

[Circe]

Also, there is another huge advantage.

The tax is 23%, for everyone. No more different levels of taxation for different incomes.

So if a politician wants to raise taxes, they have to do it for every single citizen. Know any politicians that have the balls to do that?

All of them, unfortunately. Pols raise taxes constantly. Look how state sales taxes go up.

 

[Circe]

I don't think that the Fair Tax Act is doing that. The federal gov't already has all the power it need to keep the working class in line. It takes 1/3 of their income when they earn it. Then taxes their savings, their purchases and more. And it can demand to know every detail about the amount and how the income was earned. If that wasn't enough, the IRS can audit you as punishment.

They'll exempt all the blacks by calling them "poor." They won't pay this "fair tax" thing.

 

[johnwk]

Think the FBI is scary? Wait until armed IRS agents swoop in to confiscate your property.

And now that the Democrat Party Leadership has politically weaponized the collection of taxes calculated from income, if you don't agree with their party's policies you can expect their jackbooted thugs at your door. And that is why the following 32 words need to be added to our constitution:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


Adopting the above words into our Constitution would return us to our Constitution's original tax plan which provides checks and balances to control the actions of Congress and are necessary for good government.

JWK

 

[WinterBorn]

They'll exempt all the blacks by calling them "poor." They won't pay this "fair tax" thing.

The Fair Tax is paid as a consumption or sales tax. Everybody pays it. Even those with illegal incomes or who are paid in cash.

 

[Circe]

The Fair Tax is paid as a consumption or sales tax. Everybody pays it. Even those with illegal incomes or who are paid in cash.

Yeah. Then the pols will add on thirteen MORE taxes of various kinds because that is what pols do.

 

[johnwk]

They'll exempt all the blacks by calling them "poor." They won't pay this "fair tax" thing.

What the legislation does is even worse that that!

Keep in mind the FairTax, which imposes a 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” will tax the necessities of life. To make taxing the necessities of life with an outrageous 23 percent tax tolerable, the plan creates a new federal entitlement called the “Family Consumption Allowance”. This is a monthly check sent out to every “qualified family”, which would allow them to purchase a rationed supply of tax-free articles each month.

But the Family Consumption Allowance subtility makes a large segment of society absolutely dependent on a new federal entitlement, and thus opens the door for socialists and progressives in Congress to rant and rave about the “poor” every election cycle and they will promise an increase in the monthly government check every time an election comes around in order to get elected or keep their seat.

The ringleaders behind the alleged fairtax are notoriously evil.

 

[Circe]

What the legislation does is even worse that that!

Keep in mind the FairTax, which imposes a 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” will tax the necessities of life. To make taxing the necessities of life with an outrageous 23 percent tax tolerable, the plan creates a new federal entitlement called the “Family Consumption Allowance”. This is a monthly check sent out to every “qualified family”, which would allow them to purchase a rationed supply of tax-free articles each month.

But the Family Consumption Allowance subtility makes a large segment of society absolutely dependent on a new federal entitlement, and thus opens the door for socialists and progressives in Congress to rant and rave about the “poor” every election cycle and they will promise an increase in the monthly government check every time an election comes around in order to get elected or keep their seat.

The ringleaders behind the alleged fairtax are notoriously evil.

You are killing me here. But not surprising me. I KNEW they'd make the "fair tax" unfair right off the starting blocks.

 

[johnwk]

You are killing me here. But not surprising me. I KNEW they'd make the "fair tax" unfair right off the starting blocks.

And if you think the family consumption entitlement created under the fairtax is bad, let us take a look how the fairtax gets its hooks into an ordinary couple trying to earn extra cash to meet the expenses.

Mary and Joe, a married couple who have two children and find it necessary to earn extra money to pay their bills baby sits for neighbors in the community and cleans homes on weekends to raise extra money while Joe, who works for a plumbing company as a full-time job, also provides the same plumbing service on his own time to people living in his community to raise extra cash.

Under the alleged FairTax, Mary and Joe’s inalienable right to sell the property they have in their labor becomes a taxable event. In fact, they must first register with government to sell the property they have in their labor, and then collect a 23 percent federal tax for Congress when selling their labor, file federal sales tax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up. In addition, let us not forget to mention the threat of audits will constantly haunt them if they dare to sell the property they have in their labor, and federal tax audits are still a threat to political opponents, which is exactly how American citizens now live under existing federal taxation.

So, as it turns out, the FairTax is not what it is cranked up to be and actually keeps Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other types of incomes alive, along with federal audits, and, federal taxation can still be used as a political weapon against political opponents ... all this in addition to creating a new 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” and a brand new federal entitlement making people dependent upon our federal government.

 

[Roadrunner76]

A national sale tax is a way to GET TAXES from all of the illegals not paying Income Tax via a ITIN number.

 

[johnwk]

A national sale tax is a way to GET TAXES from all of the illegals not paying Income Tax via a ITIN number.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the fairtax 2022 pledge being a rope-a-dope tax scheme

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[Blues Man]

Once again, the ringleaders of the alleged fairtax are trying to con the American people. The latest tactic is The FAIRtax 2022 Candidate Pledge

The authors of the “FairTax” suggest under their proposal the IRS will be closed down and federal income taxes will be no more. But what actually would happen is, in place of the IRS, the FairTax creates two new tax collecting agencies, the “Excise Tax Bureau” and a “Sales Tax Bureau”, not to mention H.R. 25 (its current House legislation) keeps the “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms” open for business.

Additionally, under the FairTax, tax returns are still required to be filed by taxpayers, and twelve times a year, and Congress has power to require any type of record keeping it wants, regardless of how burdensome doing so may be to the taxpayer.

Also keep in mind the FairTax, which imposes a 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” will tax the necessities of life. To make taxing the necessities of life with an outrageous 23 percent tax tolerable, the plan creates a new federal entitlement called the “Family Consumption Allowance”. This is a monthly check sent out to every “qualified family”, which would allow them to purchase a rationed supply of tax-free articles each month.

But the Family Consumption Allowance subtility makes a large segment of society absolutely dependent on a new federal entitlement, and thus opens the door for socialists and progressives in Congress to rant and rave about the “poor” every election cycle and promise an increase in the monthly government check every time an election comes around.

While the alleged FairTax ringleaders boast it would close down the IRS and end federal income taxes, the fact is, it does not withdraw Congress’ power to lay and collect excise taxes, such as the Corporate Excise Tax of 1909, which was calculated from profits and upheld by the S.C. in Flint vs Stone Tracy ___ long before the adoption of the Sixteenth Amendment! Likewise, the FairTax does not prevent Congress from laying and collecting various other types of excise taxes on individuals, which can also be calculated from profits, gains, salaries, business sales and other “income”.

The bottom line is, the FairTax is a clever rope-a-dope plan to actually increase the federal government’s iron fisted power of taxation, and the shiny object used to delude the people is the illusion that it ends the miseries connected to the IRS, and likewise ends federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries, and other types of “income” when in fact it does not!

Take for example how this tax affects an ordinary married couple. Let us look at Mary and Joe, who have two children and find it necessary to earn extra money to pay their bills. Mary baby sits for neighbors in the community and cleans homes on weekends to raise extra money while Joe, who works for a plumbing company as a full-time job, also provides the same plumbing service on his own time to people living in his community to raise extra cash.

Under the alleged FairTax, Mary and Joe’s inalienable right to sell the property they have in their labor becomes a taxable event. In fact, they must first register with government to sell the property they have in their labor, and then collect a 23 percent federal tax for Congress when selling their labor, file federal sales tax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up. In addition, let us not forget to mention the threat of audits will constantly haunt them if they dare to sell the property they have in their labor, and federal tax audits are still a threat to political opponents, which is exactly how American citizens now live under existing federal taxation.

So, as it turns out, the FairTax is not what it is cranked up to be and actually keeps Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other types of incomes alive, along with federal audits, and, federal taxation can still be used as a political weapon against political opponents ... all this in addition to creating a new 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” and a brand new federal entitlement making people dependent upon our federal government.

The remarkable thing is, adding the following words to our Constitution would actually accomplish what the ringleaders suggest they are trying to accomplish. The question is, why do the not add the following words to H.R. 25?

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

NOTE: these words would return us to our Founding Father's original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses Americas' economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor!

The Fair Tax doesn't tax incomes at all. That's the entire point.

It's basically a national sales tax no different than a state sales tax

 

[Independentthinker]

Once again, the ringleaders of the alleged fairtax are trying to con the American people. The latest tactic is The FAIRtax 2022 Candidate Pledge

The authors of the “FairTax” suggest under their proposal the IRS will be closed down and federal income taxes will be no more. But what actually would happen is, in place of the IRS, the FairTax creates two new tax collecting agencies, the “Excise Tax Bureau” and a “Sales Tax Bureau”, not to mention H.R. 25 (its current House legislation) keeps the “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms” open for business.

Additionally, under the FairTax, tax returns are still required to be filed by taxpayers, and twelve times a year, and Congress has power to require any type of record keeping it wants, regardless of how burdensome doing so may be to the taxpayer.

Also keep in mind the FairTax, which imposes a 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” will tax the necessities of life. To make taxing the necessities of life with an outrageous 23 percent tax tolerable, the plan creates a new federal entitlement called the “Family Consumption Allowance”. This is a monthly check sent out to every “qualified family”, which would allow them to purchase a rationed supply of tax-free articles each month.

But the Family Consumption Allowance subtility makes a large segment of society absolutely dependent on a new federal entitlement, and thus opens the door for socialists and progressives in Congress to rant and rave about the “poor” every election cycle and promise an increase in the monthly government check every time an election comes around.

While the alleged FairTax ringleaders boast it would close down the IRS and end federal income taxes, the fact is, it does not withdraw Congress’ power to lay and collect excise taxes, such as the Corporate Excise Tax of 1909, which was calculated from profits and upheld by the S.C. in Flint vs Stone Tracy ___ long before the adoption of the Sixteenth Amendment! Likewise, the FairTax does not prevent Congress from laying and collecting various other types of excise taxes on individuals, which can also be calculated from profits, gains, salaries, business sales and other “income”.

The bottom line is, the FairTax is a clever rope-a-dope plan to actually increase the federal government’s iron fisted power of taxation, and the shiny object used to delude the people is the illusion that it ends the miseries connected to the IRS, and likewise ends federal taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries, and other types of “income” when in fact it does not!

Take for example how this tax affects an ordinary married couple. Let us look at Mary and Joe, who have two children and find it necessary to earn extra money to pay their bills. Mary baby sits for neighbors in the community and cleans homes on weekends to raise extra money while Joe, who works for a plumbing company as a full-time job, also provides the same plumbing service on his own time to people living in his community to raise extra cash.

Under the alleged FairTax, Mary and Joe’s inalienable right to sell the property they have in their labor becomes a taxable event. In fact, they must first register with government to sell the property they have in their labor, and then collect a 23 percent federal tax for Congress when selling their labor, file federal sales tax returns under the penalty of perjury 12 times a year, and they will be compelled to keep any records Congress may dream up. In addition, let us not forget to mention the threat of audits will constantly haunt them if they dare to sell the property they have in their labor, and federal tax audits are still a threat to political opponents, which is exactly how American citizens now live under existing federal taxation.

So, as it turns out, the FairTax is not what it is cranked up to be and actually keeps Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, and other types of incomes alive, along with federal audits, and, federal taxation can still be used as a political weapon against political opponents ... all this in addition to creating a new 23 percent tax on “all consumption of goods and services in the United States” and a brand new federal entitlement making people dependent upon our federal government.

The remarkable thing is, adding the following words to our Constitution would actually accomplish what the ringleaders suggest they are trying to accomplish. The question is, why do the not add the following words to H.R. 25?

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed, and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

NOTE: these words would return us to our Founding Father's original tax plan as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses Americas' economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor!

I'm thinking that we really don't have to worry about this.

 

[johnwk]

The Fair Tax doesn't tax incomes at all. That's the entire point.

It most certainly calculates a tax when Mary and Joe sell the property they have in their labor and requires them to file fairtax returns 12 frickin times a year.

 

[Blues Man]

It most certainly calculates a tax when Mary and Joe sell the property they have in their labor and requires them to file fairtax returns 12 frickin times a year.

WHat?