Being a conservative does NOT require the following...

[editec]

When we migrated from a nation debating IDEAS to a nation electing PERSONALITIES rational political discourse pretty much became impossible.

No one does not have to be a commie pinko to vote Democratic.

No one does not have be a fascist prick to vote Republican.

No O(BAMA was not the man totally responsible for today's economy,

No Bush II was not the guy totally responsibile for the 2008 meltdown.

This is obvious to anybody who understands how the world works.

Which means about 50% of the players here have a clue, I think.

Because about 50% of the posts here seek to personalize every problem and attack anyone who disagrees with that chikldish POV.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What goes on here is, I think, a battle to prove that one is the MOST conservative by casting the nastiest affronts on anyone who won't sign onto the most radically ugly and hateful right wing narratives.

Rather than knowing anything real the TROLLS of the rightest persuasion mistake their capacity to INSULT for some kind of intelligence and as evidence of their undying loyalty.

Having an honest intellectualy debate here over issues of substance is becoming kind of difficult given this boards willingness to allow OBVIOUS trollism.

My first page of "new posts" this AM is almost exclusively hateful rather silly right wing taunts.

These are not invitations to debate real issues, there are merely inviations to casts insult.

Basically when two people stop talking about the issue at hand and start talking about the other posters, real discussion is pretty much over.

I am currently seeking a site where people actually want to discuss issues rather than trade stupid partisan barbs.

I pretty much agree although I'm not looking to leave despite the extremes on the board. I like having to not be politicaly correct in my discussions. Being able to be ones self in your expression is unique here and I appreciate it. With the exception of a few I think this board police's itself impressively well.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Personally demeaning your political opposition

Calling those you don't agree with unamerican

Questioning someone's patriotism

Agreeing with every position of every GOP pundit or candidate

Being unwilling to settle for less than you ideal candidate

Answering every ridiculous racism charge

Excusing every position of any given GOP candidate

Being a Christian

Standing firm on Every position no matter how minuscule

Listing demands of other conservatives

Being perfect in your reflection of conservative positions



Most of all we need to stop the nonsense of telling each other that they are not, or hate, America. It's single handidly the dumbest thing I've seen regularly on here besides my spelling. Saying it in a joking manner is one thing but I see many of you attempting to use it as a weapon. It diminishes your position in any debate and makes you look small. The right nor the left holds a monopoly on patriotism.

You'd never do that, would you?

I'm certainly not faultless but to my memory I've never questioned anyone's patriotism or claimed they hated America. Nor do I think I've ever demanded another conservative agree with any position but rather be open minded to ideas.

 

[Truthmatters]

Personally demeaning your political opposition

Calling those you don't agree with unamerican

Questioning someone's patriotism

Agreeing with every position of every GOP pundit or candidate

Being unwilling to settle for less than you ideal candidate

Answering every ridiculous racism charge

Excusing every position of any given GOP candidate

Being a Christian

Standing firm on Every position no matter how minuscule

Listing demands of other conservatives

Being perfect in your reflection of conservative positions



Most of all we need to stop the nonsense of telling each other that they are not, or hate, America. It's single handidly the dumbest thing I've seen regularly on here besides my spelling. Saying it in a joking manner is one thing but I see many of you attempting to use it as a weapon. It diminishes your position in any debate and makes you look small. The right nor the left holds a monopoly on patriotism.

Sorry but those are mainstays of the current republican party.

It what has helped them build the base they now have.

That and cheating in elections is the only way they could have won all three braches in the last decade

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You mean people need to have open minds? That's crazy

I believe most conservatives do have open minds which does not mean an empty mind or lacking conviction or certainty or cognizance. Of course we conservatives have our share of clueless wingnuts who spout mostly nonsense and don't have a clue why they are conservative. But I think their numbers are pretty small when compared to the very large and diverse group of citizens who tilt right of center in varying degrees on most things.

What I see today is most people who call themselves conservatives are brainwashed. We can never debate issues, because we are too busy arguing about facts and the truth.

The health care debate was a prime example. There was no government takeover of health care and there were no death panels. We found out after the bill was passed that Republicans willingly lied to undermine reform. Their sole purpose was to hand our President his 'Waterloo'

What is truly sad and bordering on evil, is the so called 'death panels' are a huge cost cutting measure and a compassionate, family-friendly measure that ultimately respects individual rights. Conservatives funded by insurance cartels have grossly twisted it into the erroneous phrase “death panels.”

Maybe you right wingers need to start acting like adults and stop the bullshit lies like 'death panels' ...

Paying for end of life counseling or advance directives would have a HUGE saving because about 30% of all Medicare dollars is spent in the last year of life.

Advanced directives

It’s a simple concept: An individual, with the help of family, should have the ultimate say in the type of end-of-life care the individual receives. The best way to do that is through a careful consultation, with family and physician, before there is a health crisis — while the individual is still capable of having a rational voice in the decision.

Too often, those decisions are made when it’s too late for the individual to make the decisions. Instead, grieving family members are left to make the decision — and at times it’s nothing more than a guess.

Would the individual want extraordinary measures taken when the end is near? Why wouldn’t we trust the individual — in advance and when thinking clearly — to make that decision?

For those who crusade for the rights of the individual, here’s the question: Why are you so opposed to the individual being able to set down on paper, with help from family and physician, the standards and wishes for end-of-life care?

The issue of death panels became so hot during this year’s debate on health-care reform legislation that Democrats decided to pull that provision from the bill.

Educate yourself for ONCE...it works extremely well already in LaCrosse Wisconsin.

La Crosse health care systems offer a model of efficiency - JSOnline

Study: Advance directives effective

http://www.cms.gov/ActuarialStudies/downloads/Last_Year_of_Life.pdf

Our view: Promoting advanced directives puts decisions in proper hands

While I disagree with the outcome to the healthcare situation I have no doubt changes were needed.

 

[blastoff]

I think Ed Koch had it about right.

“If you agree with me on 9 out of 12 issues, you should vote for me,” Koch often has said. “If you agree with me on 12 out of 12 issues, you should see a psychiatrist.”

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What goes on here is, I think, a battle to prove that one is the MOST conservative by casting the nastiest affronts on anyone who won't sign onto the most radically ugly and hateful right wing narratives.

Rather than knowing anything real the TROLLS of the rightest persuasion mistake their capacity to INSULT for some kind of intelligence and as evidence of their undying loyalty.

Having an honest intellectualy debate here over issues of substance is becoming kind of difficult given this boards willingness to allow OBVIOUS trollism.

My first page of "new posts" this AM is almost exclusively hateful rather silly right wing taunts.

These are not invitations to debate real issues, there are merely inviations to casts insult.

Basically when two people stop talking about the issue at hand and start talking about the other posters, real discussion is pretty much over.

I am currently seeking a site where people actually want to discuss issues rather than trade stupid partisan barbs.

any thread that starts with "libs" "leftists", lefty's, statists or the like is a troll thread intended to high five other like-minded rightwingnuts.

any thread that opens with "rightwingnuts" or teabaggers is a troll thread

LOL, I have been guilty of such thread titles. I can see your point though. And on the issue of trollin I have a couple people that, that's all I do. And believe it or not its not Boop anymore. There is one on the left and one on the right. They just irritate me to no end and I can't help myself.

Bad dog!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Personally demeaning your political opposition

Calling those you don't agree with unamerican

Questioning someone's patriotism

Agreeing with every position of every GOP pundit or candidate

Being unwilling to settle for less than you ideal candidate

Answering every ridiculous racism charge

Excusing every position of any given GOP candidate

Being a Christian

Standing firm on Every position no matter how minuscule

Listing demands of other conservatives

Being perfect in your reflection of conservative positions



Most of all we need to stop the nonsense of telling each other that they are not, or hate, America. It's single handidly the dumbest thing I've seen regularly on here besides my spelling. Saying it in a joking manner is one thing but I see many of you attempting to use it as a weapon. It diminishes your position in any debate and makes you look small. The right nor the left holds a monopoly on patriotism.

Good golly Ms. Molly, what happened to Grampa? Did he put the cork in the bottle and take the 12-step pledge or what?

Who is this Miss Molly?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Personally demeaning your political opposition

Calling those you don't agree with unamerican

Questioning someone's patriotism

Agreeing with every position of every GOP pundit or candidate

Being unwilling to settle for less than you ideal candidate

Answering every ridiculous racism charge

Excusing every position of any given GOP candidate

Being a Christian

Standing firm on Every position no matter how minuscule

Listing demands of other conservatives

Being perfect in your reflection of conservative positions



Most of all we need to stop the nonsense of telling each other that they are not, or hate, America. It's single handidly the dumbest thing I've seen regularly on here besides my spelling. Saying it in a joking manner is one thing but I see many of you attempting to use it as a weapon. It diminishes your position in any debate and makes you look small. The right nor the left holds a monopoly on patriotism.

Sorry but those are mainstays of the current republican party.

It what has helped them build the base they now have.

That and cheating in elections is the only way they could have won all three braches in the last decade

Must resist urge.........!

Well at least your consistent.

 

[kiwiman127]

What I'd like to see from everyone is more open-minds, more links that aren't from partisan resources and of course much less animosity.
But then, these boards deal with politics for the most part and boards like this thrive on "the debate". Any board I've ever posted on, no matter the intention, would have threads that spilled over into name-calling and bullshit claims. Far lefties will be far lefties and far righties will be far righties, they just can't help themselves.
It's the nature of the beast for political message boards.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Personally demeaning your political opposition

Calling those you don't agree with unamerican

Questioning someone's patriotism

Agreeing with every position of every GOP pundit or candidate

Being unwilling to settle for less than you ideal candidate

Answering every ridiculous racism charge

Excusing every position of any given GOP candidate

Being a Christian

Standing firm on Every position no matter how minuscule

Listing demands of other conservatives

Being perfect in your reflection of conservative positions



Most of all we need to stop the nonsense of telling each other that they are not, or hate, America. It's single handidly the dumbest thing I've seen regularly on here besides my spelling. Saying it in a joking manner is one thing but I see many of you attempting to use it as a weapon. It diminishes your position in any debate and makes you look small. The right nor the left holds a monopoly on patriotism.

Good golly Ms. Molly, what happened to Grampa? Did he put the cork in the bottle and take the 12-step pledge or what?

He made a very public apology some time ago..about being abusive. But I've never seen him to be more abusive then the average bear. But after his apology he's been good on his pledge.

Gotta applaud that!

I missed it. I admit some who post here are so ... well, some I simply ignore and read little or nothing of their posts.
Mea culpa.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What goes on here is, I think, a battle to prove that one is the MOST conservative by casting the nastiest affronts on anyone who won't sign onto the most radically ugly and hateful right wing narratives.

Rather than knowing anything real the TROLLS of the rightest persuasion mistake their capacity to INSULT for some kind of intelligence and as evidence of their undying loyalty.

Having an honest intellectualy debate here over issues of substance is becoming kind of difficult given this boards willingness to allow OBVIOUS trollism.

My first page of "new posts" this AM is almost exclusively hateful rather silly right wing taunts.

These are not invitations to debate real issues, there are merely inviations to casts insult.

Basically when two people stop talking about the issue at hand and start talking about the other posters, real discussion is pretty much over.

I am currently seeking a site where people actually want to discuss issues rather than trade stupid partisan barbs.

any thread that starts with "libs" "leftists", lefty's, statists or the like is a troll thread intended to high five other like-minded rightwingnuts.

any thread that opens with "rightwingnuts" or teabaggers is a troll thread

I'd add any thread which opens with, "Obama is (does) etc. is a troll thread.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What goes on here is, I think, a battle to prove that one is the MOST conservative by casting the nastiest affronts on anyone who won't sign onto the most radically ugly and hateful right wing narratives.

Rather than knowing anything real the TROLLS of the rightest persuasion mistake their capacity to INSULT for some kind of intelligence and as evidence of their undying loyalty.

Having an honest intellectualy debate here over issues of substance is becoming kind of difficult given this boards willingness to allow OBVIOUS trollism.

My first page of "new posts" this AM is almost exclusively hateful rather silly right wing taunts.

These are not invitations to debate real issues, there are merely inviations to casts insult.

Basically when two people stop talking about the issue at hand and start talking about the other posters, real discussion is pretty much over.

I am currently seeking a site where people actually want to discuss issues rather than trade stupid partisan barbs.

any thread that starts with "libs" "leftists", lefty's, statists or the like is a troll thread intended to high five other like-minded rightwingnuts.

any thread that opens with "rightwingnuts" or teabaggers is a troll thread

I'd add any thread which opens with, "Obama is (does) etc. is a troll thread.

Fail, anyone that would think that is brain dead.

 

[jillian]

any thread that starts with "libs" "leftists", lefty's, statists or the like is a troll thread intended to high five other like-minded rightwingnuts.

any thread that opens with "rightwingnuts" or teabaggers is a troll thread

I'd add any thread which opens with, "Obama is (does) etc. is a troll thread.

Fail, anyone that would think that is brain dead.

i'd disagree with him, though i wouldn't call him 'brain dead'.

however, anyone whose thread starts with "barry" "barry soetero", obamalamadingdong" or "hussein" or uses pictures of african "natives" to represent the president is trolling.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I'd add any thread which opens with, "Obama is (does) etc. is a troll thread.

Fail, anyone that would think that is brain dead.

i'd disagree with him, though i wouldn't call him 'brain dead'.

however, anyone whose thread starts with "barry" "barry soetero" or "hussein" or uses pictures of african "natives" to represent the president is trolling.

I think most of us know when were being trolled. I assumed he was being a smartass so I threw my comment out there.

I do believe sometimes people are just in a playful mood and it gets blown out of proportion.

 

[NoNukes]

Nice. Can a liberal please post the reverse in the same objective manner.

Yes, no problem.

 

[Cuyo]

I'd add any thread which opens with, "Obama is (does) etc. is a troll thread.

Fail, anyone that would think that is brain dead.

i'd disagree with him, though i wouldn't call him 'brain dead'.

however, anyone whose thread starts with "barry" "barry soetero", obamalamadingdong" or "hussein" or uses pictures of african "natives" to represent the president is trolling.

I'd throw in 0bama, one's "messiah/ossiah," and references to the "Democrat party," and not just in the thread title, in any post. Any such offenses render anything else the member has to say utterly irrelevant.

Kudos gramps, whether you resolve to walk the walk remains to be seen.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Fail, anyone that would think that is brain dead.

i'd disagree with him, though i wouldn't call him 'brain dead'.

however, anyone whose thread starts with "barry" "barry soetero", obamalamadingdong" or "hussein" or uses pictures of african "natives" to represent the president is trolling.

I'd throw in 0bama, one's "messiah/ossiah," and references to the "Democrat party," and not just in the thread title, in any post. Any such offenses render anything else the member has to say utterly irrelevant.

Kudos gramps, whether you resolve to walk the walk remains to be seen.

I don't think I'm part of the extreme. Any given post could be perceived in a poor light but I believe over all I'm pretty fair.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Being a conservative used to mean what libertarian now means. Small government, personal responsibility and the right to privacy.

Now it's God, guns and greed, and hate.

 

[Foxfyre]

Fail, anyone that would think that is brain dead.

i'd disagree with him, though i wouldn't call him 'brain dead'.

however, anyone whose thread starts with "barry" "barry soetero", obamalamadingdong" or "hussein" or uses pictures of african "natives" to represent the president is trolling.

I'd throw in 0bama, one's "messiah/ossiah," and references to the "Democrat party," and not just in the thread title, in any post. Any such offenses render anything else the member has to say utterly irrelevant.

Kudos gramps, whether you resolve to walk the walk remains to be seen.

The 'messiah' metaphor, however, is one of those political images that just fits in some some circumstances and I don't see it as trolling or wrong when used appropriately. For instance when Chris Matthews gushes over Obama's oratory--the 'tingle up my leg" illustration. Or when Louis Farrakhan actually calls Obama 'the messiah who has come" or when Obama gets on one of those "we are the ones we have been waiting for" kicks or "I won so the Republicans go to the back of the bus" or such as that. Sometimes his devotees admonish the rest of us that he was who the people chose and we are hateful or racist or 'wingnuts' if we criticize him for anything.

Or when we see things like this in the leftwing media: "In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD. He's going to bring all different sides together."--Newsweek editor Evan Thomas.

Can you imagine how the left would have characterized George W. Bush if such things had been said of him or if he had said such things of himself? How the left has characterized him anyway?

There is a vast difference between saying "Obama wants to destroy the country" and using the material he provides us.

There is a vast difference between saying that the GOP is 'out of touch' with reality or Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan is unrealistic or some such and in saying that "It is the character of the GOP to be racist, cruel, greedy, oppressive etc. etc. etc." or some such as that.

I would like to add to Grampa's list the point that it is absurd to believe Republicans or conservatives want dirty soil, air, water any more than anybody else does, or are hell bent on harming the environment and the creatures that live in it more than anybody else or that we don't care about kids or the poor or the elderly or those who are struggling to get ahead.

I do sometimes long for an honest debate about how best to address such issues, however instead of such topics dissolving into the inevitable food fights and pissing matches.