Banning Abortion- A fool's errand

[EvilCat Breath]

Human life begins at the moment of conception. Abortion, as the taking of human life is nothing else but murder. It doesn't make you a bad person to be agreeable to this particular form of murder. It doesn't turn murder into something else. Slapping a different word on the act doesn't change the act. If we meant business we would put an abortion clinic on every corner in the inner city of every city. Put them up along the border to pop those bellies as they come across. The only other change to be made is adding a snip at the same time as the abortion. Sterilize them at the same time.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I said, it's a

Soooo needy...

Did no one hug you as a child?

They do have a choice and freedom, and they should exercise their freedom and choice before conceiving as opposed to, "What the fuck have I done".

If you want freedom and choices, you need to be responsible in using them, when you can't, they're restricted. Then they have the audacity to blame others because they couldn't be responsible.

Women who have abortions are being responsible. They are realizing they aren't ready to be parents and taking care of the little problem.

@Colin norris , do you want kids? If you're a bloke, talk to a female who would like a kid and have intercourse. If you're a female, talk to a male who would like a kid and have intercourse.

If you both want sex , but don't want a kid, either use one or two protections (pill and condom), or choose an alternative orifice. Why not just practice mutual oral (69), and flip a coin to see who gets the best view.

Is there any part of that that you think a rational adult would struggle with?

Here's the thing. Most people aren't being "Rational" when they are copulating, which is why unwanted pregnancies and STD's are a thing.

I knew a gal, when I was in the service. College educated, Asian-American, from a traditional family. She was involved with one of my fellow NCO's, and when he wasn't making good on his promise to marry her, she decided to "forget" to take birth control. When the Cad didn't make good on the promise to marry her, she got an abortion. Lesson learned, right? Nope. A year and half later, she got back with the same guy and got knocked up again.

 

[JoeB131]

Human life begins at the moment of conception. Abortion, as the taking of human life is nothing else but murder. It doesn't make you a bad person to be agreeable to this particular form of murder. It doesn't turn murder into something else. Slapping a different word on the act doesn't change the act. If we meant business we would put an abortion clinic on every corner in the inner city of every city. Put them up along the border to pop those bellies as they come across. The only other change to be made is adding a snip at the same time as the abortion. Sterilize them at the same time.

Get professional help!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Get professional help!

Yet you are very agreeable to this form of taking human life. Just as long as it's not called human life.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet you are very agreeable to this form of taking human life. Just as long as it's not called human life.

It isn't human life because it isn't viable outside of the womb.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It isn't human life because it isn't viable outside of the womb.

Of course it's human life because it isn't anything else. It isn't an independent species. If so, what species is it? A zygote or fetus is a stage of development of human beings, not something else. It feels good to call it non human. It makes killing it not so bad. It is just a fiction that you find necessary to justify your opinion.

You don't need anything to justify your opinions. They stand on their own merit. Technically it's not murder. Murder is an unlawful killing. Abortion at present is a lawful killing. It would be a homicide.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Soooo needy
Jeez joe
I

Did no one hug you as a child?

Jeez joe
It appears the Margaret Sangar revelation knocked the argument completely out of you.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course it's human life because it isn't anything else. It isn't an independent species. If so, what species is it? A zygote or fetus is a stage of development of human beings, not something else. It feels good to call it non human. It makes killing it not so bad. It is just a fiction that you find necessary to justify your opinion.

OH, please, you wingnuts spend every day trying to take food out of the mouths of poor kids to give tax breaks to billionaires, please don't tell me you suddenly "care" about kids.

It's not life because it's not viable. Or to make it simple for you.

You don't need anything to justify your opinions. They stand on their own merit. Technically it's not murder. Murder is an unlawful killing. Abortion at present is a lawful killing. It would be a homicide.

Well, no, it wouldn't be, because it never was, even when abortion was illegal. When abortion was illegal, no one was charged with murder, women were never charged with a crime for having one, and the only time the providers got charged was when they messed up and killed or maimed the woman.

Jeez joe
It appears the Margaret Sangar revelation knocked the argument completely out of you.

OH, sorry, did you repeat the same historically inaccurate information about Sanger the Right Wing loves? Because I kind of tune you out...

Here's a hint. Sanger opposed legal abortion. Not because she thought fetuses were people, but because getting an abortion in the oldy days before anti-biotics was a risky proposition

 

[Frankeneinstein]

OH, sorry, did you repeat the same historically inaccurate information about Sanger the Right Wing loves? Because I kind of tune you out...

I see you've picked yourself up off the canvas from the sanger saga...could be why you feel all zeroed out joe

Here's a hint. Sanger opposed legal abortion. Not because she thought fetuses were people, but because getting an abortion in the oldy days before anti-biotics was a risky proposition

Now here's how it really happened:
Sanger calls abortion a crime:

Abortion​

Margaret Sanger opposed abortion and sharply distinguished it from birth control. She believed that the latter is a fundamental right of women and the former is a shameful crime.[134]: 36–37 [23]: 125  In 1916, when she opened her first birth control clinic, she was employing harsh rhetoric against abortion. Flyers she distributed to women exhorted them in all capitals: "Do not kill, do not take life, but prevent."[135]: 155  Sanger's patients at that time were told "that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but it was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."[16]: 217  Sanger consistently distanced herself from any calls for legal access to abortion, arguing that legal access to contraceptives would remove the need for abortion.[136] Ann Hibner Koblitz has argued that Sanger's anti-abortion stance contributed to the further stigmatization of abortion and impeded the growth of the broader reproductive rights movement

Get back to me when ya come to joe

 

[JoeB131]

I see you've picked

Nope, I back to ignoring you. In fact I am actually going to put you on ignore so you don't clutter up my thread..

Good-bye.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Nope, I back to ignoring you. In fact I am actually going to put you on ignore so you don't clutter up my thread..

Right after the sanger uppercut again

Good-bye.

Thats what ya get for leading with your chin joe

 

[JoeB131]

 

[Frankeneinstein]

There is an upside to being knocked cold eh joe

 

[EvilCat Breath]

OH, please, you wingnuts spend every day trying to take food out of the mouths of poor kids to give tax breaks to billionaires, please don't tell me you suddenly "care" about kids.

It's not life because it's not viable. Or to make it simple for you.


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Well, no, it wouldn't be, because it never was, even when abortion was illegal. When abortion was illegal, no one was charged with murder, women were never charged with a crime for having one, and the only time the providers got charged was when they messed up and killed or maimed the woman.



OH, sorry, did you repeat the same historically inaccurate information about Sanger the Right Wing loves? Because I kind of tune you out...

Here's a hint. Sanger opposed legal abortion. Not because she thought fetuses were people, but because getting an abortion in the oldy days before anti-biotics was a risky proposition

I never said I cared about kids. We don't abort enough kids. We need more chop shops. I'm not scared enough to think it's not killing a human being.

 

[Stann]

So the Supreme Court just overturned Roe v. Wade in the most cowardly way possible.

Of course, Roe was always based on some legal jiggery-pokery, in that it found a "right to privacy" that never really existed without addressing the issue of when life begins.

The reason why the court did this was because they knew the laws on the books in most states in 1973 were unworkable and had to go, because no one was following them. But like all failed ideas, this time will be different, the advocates say.

Okay, let's get real here.

For the anti-abortion crowd, what is your real solution? Are you going to put pregnant women under house arrest to make sure they don't get abortions? Or are you just going to overturn Roe v. Wade and pretend you accomplished something.

How about prostitution? Prostitution is illegal in 49 states. Yet it is believed that there are 1 million working prostitutes in the United States today, and you can find massage parlors, strip joints and escort services pretty easily.

Okay, how about alcohol? Remember prohibition? (Well, even I'm not *that* old.) Well guess what, that didn't stop people from drinking. People found all sorts of imaginative ways to get around that law, Al Capone was pretty much openly smuggling alcohol into the country or making it illegally and the only way the government actually got him was on income tax evasion.

How's that war on drugs working out for you? Well, not so well. According to estimates, 19.1 million Americans over the age of 12 have used drugs within the last 30 days. "Just Say No (not today)" We spend billions on it, lock up more people than any country in the world. Hey, how many drug users are you going to want to cut loose to make room for the abortion patients?


Now, taking all of these factors into account- Exactly what mechanism are you guys going to use to ban abortion? Because none of these other prohibitions seem to work terribly well, especially when law enforcement is already stretched pretty thin.

It is encouraging people to break the law, which holds less and less credence because of it's flagrant disregard for the truth.

 

[JoeB131]

never said I cared about kids. We don't abort enough kids. We need more chop shops. I'm not scared enough to think it's not killing a human being.

Wow, you changed your name. You still need professional help.

It is encouraging people to break the law, which holds less and less credence because of it's flagrant disregard for the truth.

True. of course, the problem is we have so many laws you can't take a walk without breaking one.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Oh dear. Now you've relied on sex education as a defence.
Your ignorance qualified you for retrospective abortion

There you go, if they understand basic sex education, there goes the abortion problem.

 

[Colin norris]

There you go, if they understand basic sex education, there goes the abortion problem.

I have no knowledge of the massive reservoir you have. Breathtaking outbursts of massive researched documentation like that blow me away.
I'm sorry I engaged you forcing you to divulge your inner most talents.
You are simply outstanding.(in many ways)

 

[Captain Caveman]

I have no knowledge of the massive reservoir you have. Breathtaking outbursts of massive researched documentation like that blow me away.
I'm sorry I engaged you forcing you to divulge your inner most talents.
You are simply outstanding.(in many ways)

Listen idiot, contraception and sex education is very simple. Thickos of this need abortions. So wind your neck in and go out and try to educate the thickos where babies come from. And the result from their retardism, a baby.

Those who can't grasp this, go and get your reproductive parts cut off because you haven't got the brains to be fucking responsible with them.

So quit your fucking lofty shite, blame the brain dead that they can't grasp fucking basic sex education at school.

It's annoying ***** like you where we wished your parents used contraception.