Banishing Brilliance in Trump's America

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

 

[Auld Phart]

 

[norwegen]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The right does not want educated people in the US.

They simply do not and they made that clear long before truympery's trumpery.

 

[IceNine]

I do not support an administration that discriminates against religious groups, etc., just to make that clear. However, I wonder why the loss of interest among foreign students in the U.S. would be devastating to this country? Should the U.S. rely on students frim abroad to make up for what might be a flaw in its educational system? Why is there a lack of physicians in the United States? Are not enough Americans given the opportunity to pursue degrees at their own universities? If so, then why? Why does a country like this, with an enormous population rely on the elite students from other countries, who in turn may be contributing to a brain-drain in the countries that got them this far in the first place?

 

[Correll]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

1. 500 million is nothing to the US.

2. Good. More slots for actual fucking AMERICANS.

 

[Avatar4321]

The right does not want educated people in the US.

They simply do not and they made that clear long before truympery's trumpery.

We aren't the ones who keep you uneducated. You do that yourself.

 

[Avatar4321]

Btw did it occur to you that we would have more physicians if you didn't pass Obamacare?

 

[iceberg]

well, bye...

 

[Avatar4321]

Also, I can't help but wonder, if they are so brilliant, why can't they figure out how to help their country vet immigrants so they can get off the list? Especially perplexing because the ban isn't currently being enforced due to judicial overreach.

So what reason do I have to conclude these people are brilliant or being kept out?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

What America needs are more of those "critically" thinking progressives telling us how muzzie refugees are good for the west..... lol

 

[westwall]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

 

[Anathema]

The right does not want educated people in the US.

They simply do not and they made that clear long before truympery's trumpery.

We have no need for OVER-Educzted people in the United States. We also have no need to educate anyone else's citizens.

 

[MarcATL]

Btw did it occur to you that we would have more physicians if you didn't pass Obamacare?

Explain how.

 

[JoeNormal]

I do not support an administration that discriminates against religious groups, etc., just to make that clear. However, I wonder why the loss of interest among foreign students in the U.S. would be devastating to this country? Should the U.S. rely on students frim abroad to make up for what might be a flaw in its educational system? Why is there a lack of physicians in the United States? Are not enough Americans given the opportunity to pursue degrees at their own universities? If so, then why? Why does a country like this, with an enormous population rely on the elite students from other countries, who in turn may be contributing to a brain-drain in the countries that got them this far in the first place?

Americans increasingly look to easy ways to make lots of money like financial speculation and middle management. That's why you see so many students looking to get an MBA or a degree in finance and relatively few in science, engineering and medicine.

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

1. 500 million is nothing to the US.

2. Good. More slots for actual fucking AMERICANS.

You're missing the point. It is not that foreigners are taking Americans spots it's that not enough Americans are getting into these fields. If we were to lost foreign students we would have a severe drop in doctorate students as well as doctors (which we are increasing short on anyways)

 

[Aries]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

"Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003"

51 percent!

 

[Correll]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

1. 500 million is nothing to the US.

2. Good. More slots for actual fucking AMERICANS.

You're missing the point. It is not that foreigners are taking Americans spots it's that not enough Americans are getting into these fields. If we were to lost foreign students we would have a severe drop in doctorate students as well as doctors (which we are increasing short on anyways)

1. The numbers of foreigners we are talking about, are certainly taking slots from Americans.


2. IF we are still short on Americans willing or able to take ALL of those slots, then we need a debate on what to be done about our educational industry/culture.