Ayn Rand is right. There is no higher state than

[Truthmatters]

Ayn Rand was so right she ended up on SS

She paid Social Security taxes all her life, so why shouldn't she collect it?

Because she hated the program and touted a philosophy that it harmed people.

Then when she was done lying her ass off she lost all her money and went on SS.

I dont mind she was on SS she paid for it like you said.

She is the one who insulted everyone else who ended up with nothing but SS after a lifetime of work.

Under her own ideas little old ladies like her would jsut starve in the street because they didnt PERFORM well enough in life.

 

[Toro]

Government has a purpose in Objectivism.

Yes. It is to supply Medicare to treat pop philosophers dying of cancer caused by a lifetime of smoking fueled by a belief that government reports about the dangers of smoking was a government plot against the tobacco companies.

 

[grunt11b]

Ayn Rand takes a fundamental principle of the rights of the individual to an absurd extreme.

She also denies the obvious fact that mankind is first and foremost a SOCIAL ANIMAL.

So it's extreme to profit off of ones own labor and to choose not to allow another man to take what you have rightfully earned for yourself?

 

[bripat9643]

People who call themselves conservatives today are not looking for common sense or common decency solutions for this nation. Solutions that would benefit their families and their community. They are ideologues who want to dismantle any shred of COMMunity and replace it with SELF interest?

That is not 'conservatism', that is narcissism.

Dismantling government is not dismantling community. Government is not the community. Government is nothing more than a gang of thugs who take your money and dispense it to their various minions and toadies.

 

[jillian]

liberals/socialists hate the fact that someone could invent something trmendous, and keep the idea. they feel that anything of value should stripped via virtual eminent domain, and should immediately and automatically "belong to the people." private enterprise should belong even to those who contribute nothing. the best and brightest should simply be happy to support the state, and their effort to "spread the wealth".

this goes along with what ben franklin said... "when the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic". this concept of course, is still being tested in the aftermath of the deadly perfect storm, of obama, reid and pelosi. i'd say obama's term so far is touch and go, i am convinced that surviving his agenda will be the greatest feat since the civil war, that if he is reelected, we may not.

the fact that you use the terms liberal and socialst interchangeably indicates you understand neither and makes the rest of your post unreadable.

 

[grunt11b]

Rand was a reactionary hack.

The dogma of ‘Objectivism’ is predicated on the bizarre perception of a society without structure, a utopian fantasy that naively fails to take into consideration the need of social contracts, legal doctrine, and the inevitable manifestation of institutions.

Modernity rendered ‘Objectivism’ irrelevant before its inception.

Social contracts would lead one to believe that two people entered into an agreement. I never agreed for the government to take my money and give it to someone else who did not earn it.

 

[Toro]

Ayn Rand was so right she ended up on SS

She paid Social Security taxes all her life, so why shouldn't she collect it?

She had every right to do so.

But its no different than accusing Warren Buffett of being a hypocrite because he wants to raise taxes while he minimizes his own.

 

[grunt11b]

Ayn Rand is an idiot.

Why?

 

[OODA_Loop]

People who call themselves conservatives today are not looking for common sense or common decency solutions for this nation.

They know the solution is the same self-accountable manner in which they live their lives.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Ayn Rand was so right she ended up on SS

She paid Social Security taxes all her life, so why shouldn't she collect it?

Because she hated the program and touted a philosophy that it harmed people.

Then when she was done lying her ass off she lost all her money and went on SS.

I dont mind she was on SS she paid for it like you said.

She is the one who insulted everyone else who ended up with nothing but SS after a lifetime of work.

Under her own ideas little old ladies like her would jsut starve in the street because they didnt PERFORM well enough in life.

Since the return on SS tends to be negative
Perhaps those same funds invested elsewhere by the individual could have proved
more beneficial

 

[Sallow]

liberals/socialists hate the fact that someone could invent something trmendous, and keep the idea. they feel that anything of value should stripped via virtual eminent domain, and should immediately and automatically "belong to the people." private enterprise should belong even to those who contribute nothing. the best and brightest should simply be happy to support the state, and their effort to "spread the wealth".

this goes along with what ben franklin said... "when the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic". this concept of course, is still being tested in the aftermath of the deadly perfect storm, of obama, reid and pelosi. i'd say obama's term so far is touch and go, i am convinced that surviving his agenda will be the greatest feat since the civil war, that if he is reelected, we may not.

What a load of crap. Fascists/Conservatives feel that they should be able to use tax payer funds to enrich people at the top with government contracts, grants, loans and tax loop holes. Add in turn over government developed products to private industry that tax payer money paid for..like UNIX. The whole internet was built by the government..who makes money on it?

The Iraqi war represented a huge fleecing of the American tax payer. And private industry benefitted. Look at the contractors. Security contractors hired people trained by the government at tax payer expense, for more then triple what it costs to pay them if they were still in the military.

Fascism or Corporatism is essentially theft of wealth by the rich from the poor.

Something conservatives/fascists wholeheartly support.

 

[bripat9643]

a self serving state. Serving other people and a higher cause is bullshit.

The best thing about people who quote Ayn Rand..is the same people don't know what a fucking hypocrite she was. In the end, she suffered financial hardship and need government assistance to pay the bills.

You obviously don't know crap about Ayn Rand. She always had a healthy income from book royalties. She published a magazine almost until the day she died, and she left a sizable estate.

Like all leftwing drones, you simply makeup lies that fit the liberal narrative.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that you're a lying moron.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Since the return on SS tends to be negative
Perhaps those same funds invested elsewhere by the individual could have proved
more beneficial

Where do I sign up ?

 

[bripat9643]

She paid Social Security taxes all her life, so why shouldn't she collect it?

You can't come up with an answer, I see.

 

[jillian]

Rand was a reactionary hack.

The dogma of ‘Objectivism’ is predicated on the bizarre perception of a society without structure, a utopian fantasy that naively fails to take into consideration the need of social contracts, legal doctrine, and the inevitable manifestation of institutions.

Modernity rendered ‘Objectivism’ irrelevant before its inception.

Social contracts would lead one to believe that two people entered into an agreement. I never agreed for the government to take my money and give it to someone else who did not earn it.

and i never agreed that my tax money should fund a war of choice based on a lie in iraq.

get a grip and study some political philosophy.

and if this form of government is a problem for you, feel free to move elsewhere. i'm sure they'd be happy to have you among the taliban.

 

[jillian]

She paid Social Security taxes all her life, so why shouldn't she collect it?

You can't come up with an answer, I see.

that *was* an answer. he's laughing at you.

and deservedly so.

 

[Neotrotsky]

liberals/socialists hate the fact that someone could invent something trmendous, and keep the idea. they feel that anything of value should stripped via virtual eminent domain, and should immediately and automatically "belong to the people." private enterprise should belong even to those who contribute nothing. the best and brightest should simply be happy to support the state, and their effort to "spread the wealth".

this goes along with what ben franklin said... "when the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic". this concept of course, is still being tested in the aftermath of the deadly perfect storm, of obama, reid and pelosi. i'd say obama's term so far is touch and go, i am convinced that surviving his agenda will be the greatest feat since the civil war, that if he is reelected, we may not.

What a load of crap. Fascists/Conservatives feel that they should be able to use tax payer funds to enrich people at the top with government contracts, grants, loans and tax loop holes. Add in turn over government developed products to private industry that tax payer money paid for..like UNIX. The whole internet was built by the government..who makes money on it?

The Iraqi war represented a huge fleecing of the American tax payer. And private industry benefitted. Look at the contractors. Security contractors hired people trained by the government at tax payer expense, for more then triple what it costs to pay them if they were still in the military.

Fascism or Corporatism is essentially theft of wealth by the rich from the poor.

Something conservatives/fascists wholeheartly support.

I hear you

Just like Papa Obama deals with Big Pharma to protect their profits
oh
never mind

 

[grunt11b]

Ayn Rand was so right she ended up on SS

She paid Social Security taxes all her life, so why shouldn't she collect it?

Exactly, that's alot better than some people who never paid a penny into it and act like they deserve it .

 

[grunt11b]

a self serving state. Serving other people and a higher cause is bullshit.

The best thing about people who quote Ayn Rand..is the same people don't know what a fucking hypocrite she was. In the end, she suffered financial hardship and need government assistance to pay the bills.

Like any good two fisted conservatives..she should have accepted her fate and died quickly.

Ain't that the plan you guys have in mind?

Nope, not really. If someone pays into the system they should get out of it what they put in. If someone else doesn't pay into it they should not be receiving anything from it. That's what I have in mind, and it's the only way the system is sustainable.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Fascism or Corporatism is essentially theft of wealth by the rich from the poor.

Hair extensions, spinners and malt liquor being prime examples.