Atheists want God out of Ky. homeland security

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By ROGER ALFORD

Associated Press Writer
FRANKFORT, Ky. —

A group of atheists filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking to remove part of a state anti-terrorism law that requires Kentucky's Office of Homeland Security to acknowledge it can't keep the state safe without God's help.

American Atheists Inc. sued in state court over a 2002 law that stresses God's role in Kentucky's homeland security alongside the military, police agencies and health departments.

Of particular concern is a 2006 clause requiring the Office of Homeland Security to post a plaque that says the safety and security of the state "cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon almighty God" and to stress that fact through training and educational materials.

The plaque, posted at the Kentucky Emergency Operations Center in Frankfort, includes the Bible verse: "Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

"It is one of the most egregiously and breathtakingly unconstitutional actions by a state legislature that I've ever seen," said Edwin F. Kagin, national legal director of Parsippany, N.J.-based American Atheists Inc. The group claims the law violates both the state and U.S. constitutions.

But Democratic state Rep. Tom Riner, a Baptist minister from Louisville, said he considers it vitally important to acknowledge God's role in protecting Kentucky and the nation.

"No government by itself can guarantee perfect security," Riner said. "There will always be this opposition to the acknowledgment of divine providence, but this is a foundational understanding of what America is."

Kentucky has been at the center of a series of legal battles involving religious issues in recent years, most involving displays of the Ten Commandments in public buildings. One case went to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled in 2005 that such displays inside courthouses in two counties were unconstitutional.

Kentucky isn't the only state dealing with religious issues, but Ed Buckner, president of American Atheists, said it's alone in officially enlisting God in homeland security.

"I'm not aware of any other state or commonwealth that is attempting to dump their clear responsibility for protecting their citizens onto God or any other mythological creature," Buckner said.

State Rep. David Floyd, R-Bardstown, said the preamble to the Kentucky constitution references a people "grateful to almighty God," so he said he sees no constitutional violation in enlisting God in the state's homeland security efforts.

"God help us if we don't," he said.
Nation & World | Atheists want God out of Ky. homeland security | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
By ROGER ALFORD

Associated Press Writer
FRANKFORT, Ky. —

A group of atheists filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking to remove part of a state anti-terrorism law that requires Kentucky's Office of Homeland Security to acknowledge it can't keep the state safe without God's help.

American Atheists Inc. sued in state court over a 2002 law that stresses God's role in Kentucky's homeland security alongside the military, police agencies and health departments.

Of particular concern is a 2006 clause requiring the Office of Homeland Security to post a plaque that says the safety and security of the state "cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon almighty God" and to stress that fact through training and educational materials.

The plaque, posted at the Kentucky Emergency Operations Center in Frankfort, includes the Bible verse: "Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

"It is one of the most egregiously and breathtakingly unconstitutional actions by a state legislature that I've ever seen," said Edwin F. Kagin, national legal director of Parsippany, N.J.-based American Atheists Inc. The group claims the law violates both the state and U.S. constitutions.

But Democratic state Rep. Tom Riner, a Baptist minister from Louisville, said he considers it vitally important to acknowledge God's role in protecting Kentucky and the nation.

"No government by itself can guarantee perfect security," Riner said. "There will always be this opposition to the acknowledgment of divine providence, but this is a foundational understanding of what America is."

Kentucky has been at the center of a series of legal battles involving religious issues in recent years, most involving displays of the Ten Commandments in public buildings. One case went to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled in 2005 that such displays inside courthouses in two counties were unconstitutional.

Kentucky isn't the only state dealing with religious issues, but Ed Buckner, president of American Atheists, said it's alone in officially enlisting God in homeland security.

"I'm not aware of any other state or commonwealth that is attempting to dump their clear responsibility for protecting their citizens onto God or any other mythological creature," Buckner said.

State Rep. David Floyd, R-Bardstown, said the preamble to the Kentucky constitution references a people "grateful to almighty God," so he said he sees no constitutional violation in enlisting God in the state's homeland security efforts.

"God help us if we don't," he said.
Nation & World | Atheists want God out of Ky. homeland security | Seattle Times Newspaper

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That is sick!
 
I have no idea what God is to religious people. I just know it was never elected into public service and has no place in government propaganda.
 
How do these Atheists know that God is a "mythological creature?"

Probably because the belief in god is based on faith. After all, if the belief in god was based on critical thinking and scientific method there wouldn't be much of a myth nor any need for faith would there...
 
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Probably because the belief in god is based on faith. After all, if the belief in god was based on critical thinking and scientific method there wouldn't be much of a myth nor any need for faith would there...

Not just faith. Some believe in God because the Universe appears to have been created by a being much more powerful than themselves. Many believers also claim to have personal personal relationships with God complete with what they consider proof of God's existence. The Scientific method and critical thinking should never be considered the final word. We are still a very primitive species.

These atheists are making an assumption.
 
Why are there so many atheists? Are they trying to make themselves legitimate by finding ways to take G_d out of our every day lives? I actually think they would be happier if they believed in G_d.
 
Why are there so many atheists? Are they trying to make themselves legitimate by finding ways to take G_d out of our every day lives? I actually think they would be happier if they believed in G_d.

You set quite the example by taking the "o" out of God!
 
What's always puzzled me about atheists is why, if they don't believe in God, they care enough about it to file law suits.
 
What's always puzzled me about atheists is why, if they don't believe in God, they care enough about it to file law suits.

Because often they are suing for the right not to have say they believe in god. Many believers in God want religion kept separate from government too. Jesus in the Bible seemed to want that too.

People also don't want their tax money to pay for religious icons or otherwise in government buildings.
 
Because often they are suing for the right not to have say they believe in god. Many believers in God want religion kept separate from government too. Jesus in the Bible seemed to want that too.

People also don't want their tax money to pay for religious icons or otherwise in government buildings.

So... how much tax payer money* do you suppose it cost to have the God part in their homeland security documents?


*And how many tax payers in Kentucky are believers and DO want to mention God?
 

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