Atheists More Suicidal, Marry Less, Have Fewer Children, More Depressed

[Hollie]

Marrying less means that for any Homo sapiens the education about familial Oedipus may well be worth the price of freedom from its iron collar. Everyone is always already working on their own suicide, and we see no stats on the religious status of covid-era suicide victims, though there has been an increase. Regarding drugs other than religion, there is less suicide if one ingests the tranquilizer, cannabis.

A dope-head atheist pretends to posit wisdom. Rich.
I am sorry for your hatred, your anger, your arrogance and condescension, thinking yourself so very wise and worldly.

The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski is a must read for you.

Inside Cover​

Has anyone provided proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close. Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close. Have our sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close. Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough. Has rationalism and moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough. Has secularism in the terrible 20th century been a force for good? Not even close, to being close. Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy in the sciences? Close enough. Does anything in the sciences or their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even in the ball park. Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.

Oh, gawd. Why bring Berlinski, the Disco'tute hack into the thread?

Encyclopedia of American Loons

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Berlinski is one of the movers and shakers of the contemporary creationist movement, associated with the Discovery Institute and one of their most frequent and famous debaters. A delusional, pompous narcissist with an ego to fit a medieval pope. Also a name-dropper (most of his talks concern important people he has talked to). A comment on one of his lunatic self-aggrandizing rants can be found here (sums up this guy pretty well):

He is apparently really angry at evolution (it is unclear why), and famous for his purely enumerative “cows cannot evolve into whales” argument.

Berlinski was once a moderately respected author of popular-science books on mathematics. He can still add numbers together, but has forgotten the GIGO rule (“garbage in, garbage out") of applied mathematics. Some of his rantings are discussed here.

Likes to play ‘the skeptic’ (which means denialism in this case, and that is not the same thing).

Diagnosis: Boneheaded, pompous and arrogant nitwit; has a lot of influence, and a frequent participator in debates, since apparently the Discovery Institute thinks that’s the way scientific disputes are settled (although he often takes a surprisingly moderate view in debates, leading some to suspect that he is really a cynical fraud rather than a loon).

 

[LittleNipper]

Marrying less means that for any Homo sapiens the education about familial Oedipus may well be worth the price of freedom from its iron collar. Everyone is always already working on their own suicide, and we see no stats on the religious status of covid-era suicide victims, though there has been an increase. Regarding drugs other than religion, there is less suicide if one ingests the tranquilizer, cannabis.

A dope-head atheist pretends to posit wisdom. Rich.
I am sorry for your hatred, your anger, your arrogance and condescension, thinking yourself so very wise and worldly.

The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski is a must read for you.

Inside Cover​

Has anyone provided proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close. Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close. Have our sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close. Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough. Has rationalism and moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough. Has secularism in the terrible 20th century been a force for good? Not even close, to being close. Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy in the sciences? Close enough. Does anything in the sciences or their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even in the ball park. Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.

Oh, gawd. Why bring Berlinski, the Disco'tute hack into the thread?

Encyclopedia of American Loons

It’s … The Encyclopedia of American loons! Our new and exciting series presenting a representative sample of American loons from A-Z.

americanloons.blogspot.com

Berlinski is one of the movers and shakers of the contemporary creationist movement, associated with the Discovery Institute and one of their most frequent and famous debaters. A delusional, pompous narcissist with an ego to fit a medieval pope. Also a name-dropper (most of his talks concern important people he has talked to). A comment on one of his lunatic self-aggrandizing rants can be found here (sums up this guy pretty well):

He is apparently really angry at evolution (it is unclear why), and famous for his purely enumerative “cows cannot evolve into whales” argument.

Berlinski was once a moderately respected author of popular-science books on mathematics. He can still add numbers together, but has forgotten the GIGO rule (“garbage in, garbage out") of applied mathematics. Some of his rantings are discussed here.

Likes to play ‘the skeptic’ (which means denialism in this case, and that is not the same thing).

Diagnosis: Boneheaded, pompous and arrogant nitwit; has a lot of influence, and a frequent participator in debates, since apparently the Discovery Institute thinks that’s the way scientific disputes are settled (although he often takes a surprisingly moderate view in debates, leading some to suspect that he is really a cynical fraud rather than a loon).

You realize that you are describing most scientists!

 

[Hollie]

Marrying less means that for any Homo sapiens the education about familial Oedipus may well be worth the price of freedom from its iron collar. Everyone is always already working on their own suicide, and we see no stats on the religious status of covid-era suicide victims, though there has been an increase. Regarding drugs other than religion, there is less suicide if one ingests the tranquilizer, cannabis.

A dope-head atheist pretends to posit wisdom. Rich.
I am sorry for your hatred, your anger, your arrogance and condescension, thinking yourself so very wise and worldly.

The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski is a must read for you.

Inside Cover​

Has anyone provided proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close. Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close. Have our sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close. Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough. Has rationalism and moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough. Has secularism in the terrible 20th century been a force for good? Not even close, to being close. Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy in the sciences? Close enough. Does anything in the sciences or their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even in the ball park. Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.

Oh, gawd. Why bring Berlinski, the Disco'tute hack into the thread?

Encyclopedia of American Loons

It’s … The Encyclopedia of American loons! Our new and exciting series presenting a representative sample of American loons from A-Z.

americanloons.blogspot.com

Berlinski is one of the movers and shakers of the contemporary creationist movement, associated with the Discovery Institute and one of their most frequent and famous debaters. A delusional, pompous narcissist with an ego to fit a medieval pope. Also a name-dropper (most of his talks concern important people he has talked to). A comment on one of his lunatic self-aggrandizing rants can be found here (sums up this guy pretty well):

He is apparently really angry at evolution (it is unclear why), and famous for his purely enumerative “cows cannot evolve into whales” argument.

Berlinski was once a moderately respected author of popular-science books on mathematics. He can still add numbers together, but has forgotten the GIGO rule (“garbage in, garbage out") of applied mathematics. Some of his rantings are discussed here.

Likes to play ‘the skeptic’ (which means denialism in this case, and that is not the same thing).

Diagnosis: Boneheaded, pompous and arrogant nitwit; has a lot of influence, and a frequent participator in debates, since apparently the Discovery Institute thinks that’s the way scientific disputes are settled (although he often takes a surprisingly moderate view in debates, leading some to suspect that he is really a cynical fraud rather than a loon).

You realize that you are describing most scientists!

I disagree. Most scientists don’t associate with ID’creation ministries.

 

[LittleNipper]

Marrying less means that for any Homo sapiens the education about familial Oedipus may well be worth the price of freedom from its iron collar. Everyone is always already working on their own suicide, and we see no stats on the religious status of covid-era suicide victims, though there has been an increase. Regarding drugs other than religion, there is less suicide if one ingests the tranquilizer, cannabis.

A dope-head atheist pretends to posit wisdom. Rich.
I am sorry for your hatred, your anger, your arrogance and condescension, thinking yourself so very wise and worldly.

The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski is a must read for you.

Inside Cover​

Has anyone provided proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close. Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close. Have our sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close. Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough. Has rationalism and moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough. Has secularism in the terrible 20th century been a force for good? Not even close, to being close. Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy in the sciences? Close enough. Does anything in the sciences or their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even in the ball park. Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.

Oh, gawd. Why bring Berlinski, the Disco'tute hack into the thread?

Encyclopedia of American Loons

It’s … The Encyclopedia of American loons! Our new and exciting series presenting a representative sample of American loons from A-Z.

americanloons.blogspot.com

Berlinski is one of the movers and shakers of the contemporary creationist movement, associated with the Discovery Institute and one of their most frequent and famous debaters. A delusional, pompous narcissist with an ego to fit a medieval pope. Also a name-dropper (most of his talks concern important people he has talked to). A comment on one of his lunatic self-aggrandizing rants can be found here (sums up this guy pretty well):

He is apparently really angry at evolution (it is unclear why), and famous for his purely enumerative “cows cannot evolve into whales” argument.

Berlinski was once a moderately respected author of popular-science books on mathematics. He can still add numbers together, but has forgotten the GIGO rule (“garbage in, garbage out") of applied mathematics. Some of his rantings are discussed here.

Likes to play ‘the skeptic’ (which means denialism in this case, and that is not the same thing).

Diagnosis: Boneheaded, pompous and arrogant nitwit; has a lot of influence, and a frequent participator in debates, since apparently the Discovery Institute thinks that’s the way scientific disputes are settled (although he often takes a surprisingly moderate view in debates, leading some to suspect that he is really a cynical fraud rather than a loon).

You realize that you are describing most scientists!

I disagree. Most scientists don’t associate with ID’creation ministries.

No, I mean that most are boneheaded, pompous and arrogant nitwits...

 

[james bond]

How will atheists try to squirm out of this science when they're constantly boasting of their "rationality" and "intellectualism".

Doesn't this fit their rationality and intellectualism? They swear that global warming will kill us all.

 

[james bond]

Either you believe or you don't.

I suspect a lot of "Believers" are just hedging their bets in case it's all true.

I think it's more about who one trusts more than what you believe or don't. I mean it doesn't matter so much anymore if one produces scientific evidence or what the Bible says. They may still not trust so they keep saying we want absolute proof. There is none for that.

We have "In God We Trust" on our money in this country, but more people care about how much it says on the front. Because of scientific atheism we have lost the masses because it's against the law to teach about God and creation anymore.

For example, I can show how someone can travel forward in time as in a time machine, but then tell them they can't go backward in time because God won't allow you to change the past. Yet, they probably won't believe trust me.

Here's how you time travel into the future using Einstein's special relativity:

 

[ChemEngineer]

Put simply, scientists will tell you that “science works.” If science works, then the universe works. If the universe works then it means that it was made; because what is not made cannot possibly “work.” - Illogical Atheism by Bo Jinn, Kindle, Section 1276

“Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver.” – C.S. Lewis – Section 1267

“Over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with.” – Max Planck – Section 418


The past has demonstrated quite clearly that science creates many more mysteries than it explains. – 1370

Professor Andrew Simms, former President of the Royal Institute of Psychiatry in Britain… concludes that religious faith is one of medicine’s best kept secrets. Particularly among Christian adherents in western society, religious practice seems to result in lower levels of stress and depression, better physical health, better interpersonal relationship and family life and a much lower inclination to substance addiction, among other behavioral and mental disorders. The psychiatric data for atheism and agnosticism, on the other hand, appears to run quite in the opposite direction. A number of studies performed by members of the American psychiatric association determine a strong correlation between a “lack of faith” (i.e. atheism) and depression and suicide. – 1614

… those nations with the highest levels of depression and suicide over the last 50 years also happen to have been the most irreligious. (Soviet bloc, China, Japan, Scandinavia, UK, France, among others) Abortion rates, separation and family discord are all far more prominent in the irreligious west than anywhere else in the world.- 1627

A belief held for psychological reasons leading to an increased probability of psychosis, abusive behavior, depression and suicidal inclination.
If those are not the hallmarks of a delusion, I don’t know what is. – 1641

Contemporary atheism does no resolve in the conclusion that God does not exist as much as it begins with it. – 2270

If the evidence from sociology is not powerful enough, we now have recent studies from the field of psychology which validate the ridiculousness of this fictional psychological pre-disposition to atheism. – 2385

The overwhelming psychological and sociological data does indicate that belief in God is something that emerges from the inside out, not something which is imposed from the outside in. – 2407

 

[BreezeWood]

Put simply, scientists will tell you that “science works.” If science works, then the universe works. If the universe works then it means that it was made; because what is not made cannot possibly “work.” - Illogical Atheism by Bo Jinn, Kindle, Section 1276

“Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver.” – C.S. Lewis – Section 1267

“Over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with.” – Max Planck – Section 418


The past has demonstrated quite clearly that science creates many more mysteries than it explains. – 1370

Professor Andrew Simms, former President of the Royal Institute of Psychiatry in Britain… concludes that religious faith is one of medicine’s best kept secrets. Particularly among Christian adherents in western society, religious practice seems to result in lower levels of stress and depression, better physical health, better interpersonal relationship and family life and a much lower inclination to substance addiction, among other behavioral and mental disorders. The psychiatric data for atheism and agnosticism, on the other hand, appears to run quite in the opposite direction. A number of studies performed by members of the American psychiatric association determine a strong correlation between a “lack of faith” (i.e. atheism) and depression and suicide. – 1614

… those nations with the highest levels of depression and suicide over the last 50 years also happen to have been the most irreligious. (Soviet bloc, China, Japan, Scandinavia, UK, France, among others) Abortion rates, separation and family discord are all far more prominent in the irreligious west than anywhere else in the world.- 1627

A belief held for psychological reasons leading to an increased probability of psychosis, abusive behavior, depression and suicidal inclination.
If those are not the hallmarks of a delusion, I don’t know what is. – 1641

Contemporary atheism does no resolve in the conclusion that God does not exist as much as it begins with it. – 2270

If the evidence from sociology is not powerful enough, we now have recent studies from the field of psychology which validate the ridiculousness of this fictional psychological pre-disposition to atheism. – 2385

The overwhelming psychological and sociological data does indicate that belief in God is something that emerges from the inside out, not something which is imposed from the outside in. – 2407

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The overwhelming psychological and sociological data does indicate that belief in God is something that emerges from the inside out, not something which is imposed from the outside in. – 2407

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they use - "belief in god" - as a reference to their christian religion, surreptitiously than properly stated as a spiritual awareness stemming from their simply being alive.

 

[Hollie]

Put simply, scientists will tell you that “science works.” If science works, then the universe works. If the universe works then it means that it was made; because what is not made cannot possibly “work.” - Illogical Atheism by Bo Jinn, Kindle, Section 1276

“Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver.” – C.S. Lewis – Section 1267

“Over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which the scientist cannot dispense with.” – Max Planck – Section 418


The past has demonstrated quite clearly that science creates many more mysteries than it explains. – 1370

Professor Andrew Simms, former President of the Royal Institute of Psychiatry in Britain… concludes that religious faith is one of medicine’s best kept secrets. Particularly among Christian adherents in western society, religious practice seems to result in lower levels of stress and depression, better physical health, better interpersonal relationship and family life and a much lower inclination to substance addiction, among other behavioral and mental disorders. The psychiatric data for atheism and agnosticism, on the other hand, appears to run quite in the opposite direction. A number of studies performed by members of the American psychiatric association determine a strong correlation between a “lack of faith” (i.e. atheism) and depression and suicide. – 1614

… those nations with the highest levels of depression and suicide over the last 50 years also happen to have been the most irreligious. (Soviet bloc, China, Japan, Scandinavia, UK, France, among others) Abortion rates, separation and family discord are all far more prominent in the irreligious west than anywhere else in the world.- 1627

A belief held for psychological reasons leading to an increased probability of psychosis, abusive behavior, depression and suicidal inclination.
If those are not the hallmarks of a delusion, I don’t know what is. – 1641

Contemporary atheism does no resolve in the conclusion that God does not exist as much as it begins with it. – 2270

If the evidence from sociology is not powerful enough, we now have recent studies from the field of psychology which validate the ridiculousness of this fictional psychological pre-disposition to atheism. – 2385

The overwhelming psychological and sociological data does indicate that belief in God is something that emerges from the inside out, not something which is imposed from the outside in. – 2407

I'm afraid ''Bo'' is committing some pretty glaring fallacies with nonsensical statements such as . "If science works, then the universe works. If the universe works then it means that it was made; because what is not made cannot possibly “work.”

That's the kind of irrational conclusion that appeals to the hyper-religious who are concerned only with appeals to irrationality and seek convenient excuses for their fears and superstitions.

It's important to point out the dishonesty and fraud you attempted when you opened this thread. You cut and pasted the following:

Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. - Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt, American Journal of Psychiatry, December, 2004
Psychiatry Online


However, a review of the link you used identified some rather disturbing data regarding the study group.

From your link:
Two hundred ninety-five (79.5%) of the subjects had a diagnosis of major depressive disorder, and 76 (20.5%) had bipolar disorder, currently depressed. There were 189 subjects (50.9%) with a lifetime history of a suicide attempt. One hundred seventy-five (47.2%) had a history of substance use disorder. The mean clinical ratings were 20.1 (SD=6.2) on the Hamilton depression scale, 28.1 (SD=11.4) on the Beck Depression Inventory, and 36.3 (SD=8.1) on the BPRS. Among the subjects who reported a religious affiliation (N=305), the specific denominations endorsed were Catholicism (41.0%, N=125), Protestantism (28.5%, N=87), Judaism (17.4%, N=53), and other (13.1%, N=40).

Gee. Isn't that strange. The study group, overwhelming, suffered from various severe, debilitating mental illnesses. I found it remarkable you would attempt to promote your gods by exploiting the mentally ill but such tactics seem to define the illness that afflicts the hyper-religious.


It really is remarkable how the hyper-religious will spend their every waking minute in the sweaty, feverish pursuit of promoting their insensate hatreds, fears and superstitions.



"The overwhelming psychological and sociological data does indicate that belief in God is something that emerges from the inside out, not something which is imposed from the outside in. – 2407"

Good gawd, what nonsense. There is no such "data" which is why there is no citation for such a nonsense claim.

 

[ChemEngineer]

According to statistics in a book called by Baruch A. Shalev, 100 Years of Nobel Prizes published in 2003: between 1901 and 2000 reveals that 654 Laureates belong to 28 different religions. Most 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards. According to U.N. statistics, in the last three centuries, among 300 outstanding scientists in the world, 242 believe in God.

 

[Hollie]

According to statistics in a book called by Baruch A. Shalev, 100 Years of Nobel Prizes published in 2003: between 1901 and 2000 reveals that 654 Laureates belong to 28 different religions. Most 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards. According to U.N. statistics, in the last three centuries, among 300 outstanding scientists in the world, 242 believe in God.

You might want to try and understand what it is you mindlessly cut and paste.

"... 654 Laureates belong to 28 different religions."

Did you notice the part about 28 different religions? That would imply a minimum of 28 different gods. So, with all these gods competing for the worship and financial contributions of humans, which gods are the real gods?

An earlier Pew poll identified of the scientists and engineers in the United States, only about 5% are creationists, according to a 1991 Gallup poll (Robinson 1995, Witham 1997). However, this number includes those working in fields not related to life origins (such as computer scientists, mechanical engineers, etc.). Taking into account only those working in the relevant fields of earth and life sciences, there are about 480,000 scientists, but only about 700 believe in "creation-science" or consider it a valid theory (Robinson 1995). This means that less than 0.15 percent of relevant scientists believe in creationism. And that is just in the United States, which has more creationists than any other industrialized country. In other countries, the number of relevant scientists who accept creationism drops to less than one tenth of 1 percent.

Thanks.

 

[Hollie]

Either you believe or you don't.

I suspect a lot of "Believers" are just hedging their bets in case it's all true.

I think it's more about who one trusts more than what you believe or don't. I mean it doesn't matter so much anymore if one produces scientific evidence or what the Bible says. They may still not trust so they keep saying we want absolute proof. There is none for that.

We have "In God We Trust" on our money in this country, but more people care about how much it says on the front. Because of scientific atheism we have lost the masses because it's against the law to teach about God and creation anymore.

For example, I can show how someone can travel forward in time as in a time machine, but then tell them they can't go backward in time because God won't allow you to change the past. Yet, they probably won't believe trust me.

Here's how you time travel into the future using Einstein's special relativity:

Leaving you to your youtube videos to dabble in space travel, there is one statement you made which I can only trust you made knowing it's a fraud.

You wrote: "... Because of scientific atheism we have lost the masses because it's against the law to teach about God and creation anymore."

It is not against the law, (other than in the public schools), to teach about Gods and supernatural creation. As you know, it is a violation of the US Constitution to teach religion in public schools. Otherwise, you are free to receive all the dogma about Gods (any and all gods you wish), and about supernatural creation across the web, in Sunday school, at a Madrassah, the Jimmy Swaggert ministries, wherever.