Assault weapons ban

[blackhawk]

The assault weapons ban legislation put out yesterday got me thinking about when we enacted prohibition to halt the manufacture, transportation and sale of alcohol and alcoholic beverages as we know that ended up creating a bigger problem than the act was attempting to solve. Granted we are not talking about banning all guns like they were with alcohol this ban though does seem to be more far reaching than the last one so I wonder like prohibition could this ban end up causing more problems than it solves?

 

[Grandma]

Okay, only certain types of guns and ammo would be banned. There are lots of other guns to choose from. It's not like having all hard alcohol and "good" beer removed and all we get is one brand of lite beer.

If the guns are banned, you can still keep the ones you have.

Does that mean only bad guys will get assualt rifles? Has it not occurred to anyone that if the guns are banned then gun manufacturers will stop making them? If gun purchases are limited and require a background check, won't that make it harder for criminals to get guns by the crateload? If owners are required to keep the guns in a safe, won't that make the guns harder to steal?

 

[Stephanie]

Okay, only certain types of guns and ammo would be banned. There are lots of other guns to choose from. It's not like having all hard alcohol and "good" beer removed and all we get is one brand of lite beer.

If the guns are banned, you can still keep the ones you have.

Does that mean only bad guys will get assualt rifles? Has it not occurred to anyone that if the guns are banned then gun manufacturers will stop making them? If gun purchases are limited and require a background check, won't that make it harder for criminals to get guns by the crateload? If owners are required to keep the guns in a safe, won't that make the guns harder to steal?

does it mean if abortions were banned people would stop having them and it would put the abortion clinics out of business?
And if women were REQUIRED to have a background check before abortion that would prevent them from having one?

get it?

 

[varelse]

define: 'assault weapon'

 

[hjmick]

define: 'assault weapon'

Almost nothing that appears on Feinstein's list...

 

[Underhill]

I think Biden actually got it right on this one. It's less about the type of gun than the amount of ammo it can hold. Even then it won't stop anything, but it could make a marginal difference that might save a few lives a year.

 

[blackhawk]

I think Biden actually got it right on this one. It's less about the type of gun than the amount of ammo it can hold. Even then it won't stop anything, but it could make a marginal difference that might save a few lives a year.

I agree the ammo amount might make a slight difference though someone carrying three ten round clips can do as much damage as someone with one thirty round magazine in my opinion you can drop a empty clip out and put a full in real fast. Personally I don't think the mental health part of this has been addresses at all your not really solving anything till you deal with that.

 

[varelse]

I think Biden actually got it right on this one. It's less about the type of gun than the amount of ammo it can hold. Even then it won't stop anything, but it could make a marginal difference that might save a few lives a year.

I think you meant to say it's not about the type of gun or its ammo capacity; rather, it's about who has the gun.

Assault Weapons - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein

military-style assault weapons

What about non-'military-style' 'assault weapons'? What is 'military-style'? Black? On a sling?
ufacturing and importation of:

at least one military feature: pistol grip;does not effect how or what the weapon fires, nor the firing rate, nor who's holding it forward grip same; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock same. ; grenade launcher or rocket launcher OMG, do you people realize their are already laws about this? ; barrel shroud because you should be required to burn yourself when hunting or defending your home...; or threaded barrel which, again, does not effect the operation of the firearm .

So... the shape of the grip- pistol grip or not... that's what these idiots are freaking out about, because that totally effects... anything

How does a pistol grip change the operation of my shotgun?

shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Because the way the round is cycled effects... nothing...

And how do you measure the number of 'rounds' my shotgun holds? Are they going to ban mini-shells?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Unless your weapon has a disconnect it doesn't really matter how many rounds you have per magazine if you change mags. while you still have a round in the chanber. You won't run out of ammo until you run out of loaded mags. or had to fire that emergency round in the chamber

 

[PaulS1950]

WordsFromTheFoundingFathers:

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
~Thomas Jefferson

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
~Benjamin Franklin


"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrence's and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry


A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. ~George Washington

 

[52ndStreet]

WordsFromTheFoundingFathers:

The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
~Thomas Jefferson

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
~Benjamin Franklin


"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrence's and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry


A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. ~George Washington

The real goal is to confiscate all weapons from American citizens, and people in the third world. So the United Nations can implement their New World order agenda on America, and the entire world. The United Nations has a small arms treaty coming up for ratification
by the U.S. Senate.

They want to disarm people all over the entire Earth , so they more easily take over
you, your property, and what ever else of value that you may have.
This is what the New World Order is about.
They don't want you to have an assault rilfe, or high capacity ammo clip, they don't want you to defend yourself properly.
Its all been planned for many years now.
We as Americans, can not allow it to happen.

 

[Snookie]

It seems like the pro gun people believe in "rule from beyond the grave."

The constitution is a living document.

It is time for stricter gun control.

Stop the hating.

 

[PaulS1950]

I don't have it in my heart to hate. We are born with the instinct to protect our loved ones and ourselves. This is an inate right that all living things do. While the constitution is a living document the rights listed and unlisted (according to the ninth amendment) are a part of human nature and are provided not by the constitution but presented there for government to protect. The right to self defence can be seen in all life throughout nature. The use of weapons is not limited to humans alone but it is a right to be able to protect ones self and those we care about with what ever force might be used against us. As long as criminals have semi-automatic weapons it is our right and duty to have them as well. Ruling from "beyond the grave" has nothing to do with the discussion.
You can make the choice using your own conscience, you have that right too, but you do not have the right, or even the power, to make that choice for others.
If you have ever struck back at someone who struck you first then you belive in the right of self defense. If someone broke into your home and threatened you, your mother, wife or children with a gun what would you do? If there was a mob of people coming down the street burning homes and beating the people who ran out, what would you do?
Murder is wrong - it is against the laws of man and G_d. Is it any less wrong to make yourself or your family victims of murder through your choice to not defend yourself? It is better to let the murderer go, to commit more than it is to stop him? Is it better to die senselessly than it is to use a gun to stop a murderer?
Rarely do people who defend themselves and others kill an assailant. The usual outcome is that he is held by the citizen until the police arrive. Less often the assailant is wounded and picked up in a hospital and arrested. In a few cases the assailant is killed and prevented from ever harming anyone else ever again. Why is it that you want criminals to be the only ones armed?

 

[martybegan]

Okay, only certain types of guns and ammo would be banned. There are lots of other guns to choose from. It's not like having all hard alcohol and "good" beer removed and all we get is one brand of lite beer.

If the guns are banned, you can still keep the ones you have.

Does that mean only bad guys will get assualt rifles? Has it not occurred to anyone that if the guns are banned then gun manufacturers will stop making them? If gun purchases are limited and require a background check, won't that make it harder for criminals to get guns by the crateload? If owners are required to keep the guns in a safe, won't that make the guns harder to steal?

It would also make the guns harder to use if they were needed in case of someone breaking into your house. Would the government then be responsible for the death of a person found shot dead right next to thier gun safe, as they were trying to get access to thier weapon?

 

[Snookie]

You can make the choice using your own conscience, you have that right too, but you do not have the right, or even the power, to make that choice for others.

The majority does have a right to amend the constitution to make choices for the minority, if they so chose.

Is it self defense or paranoia that drives some pro gunners?

 

[chikenwing]

It seems like the pro gun people believe in "rule from beyond the grave."

The constitution is a living document.

It is time for stricter gun control.

Stop the hating.

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
~Thomas Jefferson

Missed that one didn't cha

who's really doing the hating??

 

[9thIDdoc]

You can make the choice using your own conscience, you have that right too, but you do not have the right, or even the power, to make that choice for others.

The majority does have a right to amend the constitution to make choices for the minority, if they so chose.

Is it self defense or paranoia that drives some pro gunners?

Is it paranoia or a desire to rule that drives the anti-gunner?

 

[martybegan]

You can make the choice using your own conscience, you have that right too, but you do not have the right, or even the power, to make that choice for others.

The majority does have a right to amend the constitution to make choices for the minority, if they so chose.

Is it self defense or paranoia that drives some pro gunners?

With a bar set so high to make it a widely supported measure, most of the time (prohibition anyone).

If you can get 2/3 of BOTH houses of congress, and 3/4 of the states to agree, then you can amend the consitituion. What we have now is progressives trying to convince 5 of 9 people (the supreme court) to bypass the constituion by judicial fiat.

 

[varelse]

The constitution is a living document

Which includes, within its text, the procedures for modifying its content.

The majority does have a right to amend the constitution to make choices for the minority, if they so chose.

The Constitution was drafted, written, and ratified by a minority. Just sayin'

 

[PaulS1950]

While the rights are constitutionally guaranteed, they are not constitutional rights. They are, or were ment to be, above governmental and congressional intervention.
It is just in the last 60 years that the misunderstanding of our rights has been introduced.
Would it be acceptable that certain topics would be removed from freedom of speech?
for instance - you can no longer discuss different forms of government or you can no longer discuss religious matters outside of a church or church educational institution.
Would that constitute an acceptable limitation on your first amendment rights?
After all, we aren't removing your right to freedom of religion and nobody needs to talk about religion unless they are in the process of practicing that religion.
Or maybe something less abherent like you can no longer say anything against the government. No more name calling of sitting or ex-politicians.

That is the same thing you want to do with our rights that are protected by the second amendment.
Does it feel different when it is a right you enjoy exercising?