Armed robbers can now kill victims in self defense and not be charged with murder

[Failzero]

It could be, as drug trafficking and usage isn't prohibited therein. It would be a tough sell, however, because of the harm the drugs you list cause to society.

So does the Constitution / BOR cover 2A/ RTKBA from concerns of such harm ?

 

[hadit]

A gun nut has guns as their religion. They religiously spout, "COME TAKE MY GUNS", they feel every scenario requires a gun as the solution, you need to walk everywhere with a gun because of all your pending attacks from enemies, and they must say, "2bd Amendment", on a daily basis, especially at prayer time I've breakfast, dinner, tea, and supper.

You look out of your house and someone is snooping about, you put a light on, shout and they run off. A gun nut advocates the house owner to shoot off 350 rounds, 2 missiles, and a bazooka instead. When they've shot the fleeing burglar in the back, whooped and slapped their neighbour, they claim is was self defence and self defence is not a fallacy. This is the world of a gun nut. Ask 2aguy , that's his daily routine.

Like I said, I'm glad there aren't many of those around, they sound scary.

 

[hadit]

So does the Constitution / BOR cover 2A/ RTKBA from concerns of such harm ?

The 2nd explicitly protects them from government infringement. I thought that was pretty clear.

 

[Failzero]

The 2nd explicitly protects them from government infringement. I thought that was pretty clear.

agreed ( so we need to repeal the 1968 GCA and the the other Controls initiated in The late 1930s )

 

[Billo_Really]

This is the world we now live in.

California robbery suspect killed store clerk, not charged with murder; victim didn’t act in self-defense: DA

James Williams, 36, opened fire on the robbery suspects as they were fleeing before one fatally shot him in the leg and chest, authorities said

A man accused of killing a California gas station clerk during a "botched" robbery will not face a murder charge because the victim had opened fire on the suspect despite his life not being in danger, officials said Thursday.

James Williams, 36, was killed during an early Saturday morning gunfight with Ronald Jackson Jr., 20, at a Chevron in Antioch, Fox San Francisco reported.

The Antioch Police Department said a gas station employee called to report a person had been shot at the Extra Mile mini-mart just after 2 a.m. When officers arrived, they found a man with a gunshot wound to the head inside the store.

"Officers at the scene were able to determine that the victim was an employee-clerk at the service station and was held-up at gunpoint during what appears to be a 'botched robbery,'" a police statement said. Williams was working inside the store when he was confronted by two suspects, one of whom was identified as Jackson, who was allegedly armed with a gun. Williams then pulled out his own weapon. Jackson allegedly ran out of the store, while dropping cigar packages, and was shot. Williams kept firing as Jackson was on the ground before Jackson allegedly returned fire and killed him, the news report said.

"He didn't deserve this, and he was such a good guy, family man," Annette Matamoroz, Williams' girlfriend and co-worker who was in the store when he was killed, told the news outlet. Jackson was not charged with murder because under the law, the killing could be considered self-defense, authorities said.

The Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office said Williams pursued Jackson despite the threat of bodily harm or injury had subsided. "In the eyes of the law, Mr. Williams' actions ceased to be self-defense when Mr. Williams pursued Mr. Jackson and the other suspect with a firearm and continued to pursue Mr. Jackson after he shot him," Contra Costa County District Attorney Diana Becton said in a news release.

"The legal distinction is clear: when your property and life are being threatened, an individual is legally justified in using deadly force in self-defense," she added. "However, once the threat of harm has dissipated, the victim of a property crime cannot then use deadly force to reclaim stolen property."

Antioch investigators submitted their findings to the district attorney's office, which instead "elected to charge Jackson with robbery, possession of stolen property, and a firearm enhancement, but declined to charge him with murder," police said.

"The members of the Antioch Police Department extend their condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Williams," the department said.

This is the Clown World we live in now.

This fucker should be charged with murder!

 

[The Duke]

The parking lot shooter didn’t think so either. But wasn’t he convicted in Florida for Murder?

Florida man who shot unarmed man in parking space dispute sentenced to 20 years

Michael Drejka, who fatally shot Markeis McGlockton, 28, outside a Clearwater convenience store in July 2018, was found guilty of manslaughter in August.

www.nbcnews.com

Deadeyes got deaded, though. Not exactly a justifiable shoot after the dude's backing off.
The thing is: Once you've decided to shoot a motherfucker, everything's turned up to 12 already.
It would be very difficult to stop yourself in that type of situation once you've decided "Hey, I gotta kill this motherfucker."

 

[Batcat]

Oh wow, your friend in Culver City, this was apparently after the Supreme Court ruling striking down those discretionary rejections of CCW applications? It's good to hear that the process has begun.

Yes I heard a long time ago that many of the northern California counties would issue because the counties there are so vast and the sheriffs realize that people are often on their own in an emergency so they reasoned that they needed to allow them to protect themselves.

You may also need a firearm to defend yourself in big cities today now that our police have turned reactive rather than proactive.

 

[Failzero]

If I called Sheriffs from my mountain home it could take almost an Hour for a response ( Unless they come by copter ( even if I said it was Iranians )

 

[Captain Caveman]

Like I said, I'm glad there aren't many of those around, they sound scary.

There's a few on this board

 

[tyroneweaver]

This is the world we now live in.

California robbery suspect killed store clerk, not charged with murder; victim didn’t act in self-defense: DA

James Williams, 36, opened fire on the robbery suspects as they were fleeing before one fatally shot him in the leg and chest, authorities said

A man accused of killing a California gas station clerk during a "botched" robbery will not face a murder charge because the victim had opened fire on the suspect despite his life not being in danger, officials said Thursday.

James Williams, 36, was killed during an early Saturday morning gunfight with Ronald Jackson Jr., 20, at a Chevron in Antioch, Fox San Francisco reported.

The Antioch Police Department said a gas station employee called to report a person had been shot at the Extra Mile mini-mart just after 2 a.m. When officers arrived, they found a man with a gunshot wound to the head inside the store.

"Officers at the scene were able to determine that the victim was an employee-clerk at the service station and was held-up at gunpoint during what appears to be a 'botched robbery,'" a police statement said. Williams was working inside the store when he was confronted by two suspects, one of whom was identified as Jackson, who was allegedly armed with a gun. Williams then pulled out his own weapon. Jackson allegedly ran out of the store, while dropping cigar packages, and was shot. Williams kept firing as Jackson was on the ground before Jackson allegedly returned fire and killed him, the news report said.

"He didn't deserve this, and he was such a good guy, family man," Annette Matamoroz, Williams' girlfriend and co-worker who was in the store when he was killed, told the news outlet. Jackson was not charged with murder because under the law, the killing could be considered self-defense, authorities said.

The Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office said Williams pursued Jackson despite the threat of bodily harm or injury had subsided. "In the eyes of the law, Mr. Williams' actions ceased to be self-defense when Mr. Williams pursued Mr. Jackson and the other suspect with a firearm and continued to pursue Mr. Jackson after he shot him," Contra Costa County District Attorney Diana Becton said in a news release.

"The legal distinction is clear: when your property and life are being threatened, an individual is legally justified in using deadly force in self-defense," she added. "However, once the threat of harm has dissipated, the victim of a property crime cannot then use deadly force to reclaim stolen property."

Antioch investigators submitted their findings to the district attorney's office, which instead "elected to charge Jackson with robbery, possession of stolen property, and a firearm enhancement, but declined to charge him with murder," police said.

"The members of the Antioch Police Department extend their condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Williams," the department said.

This is the Clown World we live in now.

"hey, You're OJ"

 

[Batcat]

"hey, You're OJ"

In most cases involving a street or store robbery, once the bad guy turns and runs you no longer have to fear for your life so you can’t shoot him. If you chase him and threaten his life he has the right to defend himself.

California robbery suspect killed store clerk, not charged with murder; victim didn’t act in self-defense: DA

A man accused of killing a California gas station clerk will not face a murder charge because he could claim self-defense, reports said.

www.foxnews.com

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"Officers at the scene were able to determine that the victim was an employee-clerk at the service station and was held-up at gunpoint during what appears to be a 'botched robbery,'" a police statement said.

Williams was working inside the store when he was confronted by two suspects, one of whom was identified as Jackson, who was allegedly armed with a gun. Williams then pulled out his own weapon.

Jackson allegedly ran out of the store, while dropping cigar packages, and was shot. Williams kept firing as Jackson was on the ground before Jackson allegedly returned fire and killed him, the news report said.

Can One Shoot A Fleeing Robber?

Is it legal to shoot a fleeing robber? It's a good question for anyone who carries or keeps a gun for self-defense. Doing so is deep in a gray area.

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