Are we heading into proxy wars with Russia ?

[Mushroom]

So I think NATO is not involved for other reasons. In this competition, people compete, not machines. Just like in hockey, it's not sticks and helmets that compete, but people and their skills.

Here is the beauty. Nobody cares what you think. The world does not care, and I do not care. Your thoughts are irrelevant.

Speaking of hockey, do you think that the fact that out of 34 World hockey сhampionships in which the USSR participated, the soviet hockey team took first place 22 times, is somehow connected with the superiority of soviet sticks, helmets and skates?

Oh, you are really trying to bring that up?

OK, here is the truth. The same reason they dominated most Olympic team sports for decades, like Hockey and Basketball.

By having "Professional Amateurs".

That was the difference between the USSR and other nations at the time. They literally had no "Professional Sport Teams", and because of how they were able to play the rules, every single athlete in the nation was an "Amateur". They literally had the absolute best they could pick from, and not a single one was "Professional". Meanwhile, most other countries had to made do with College Athletes, thrown together into a team a year prior to the competition.

Of course, all that largely came crashing down around their heads when the International Bodies (like the IOC) finally changed the rules, to allow the Professional Athletes of other nations to compete also. This was largely to level the playing field. The 1992 "Dream Team" was a perfect example. The US ran teams mostly made up with NBA professionals for 3 games in a row, then quietly retired it. Other nations did the exact same thing in other sports.

Do not think I did not notice you specified the USSR. Anybody that follows sports in the 1970's and 1980's knows about the fact that their competition teams in amateur athletics were a joke. They literally threw out true professional players who were at the peak of their abilities, against college kids who were nowhere near to their own peak yet. Might as well throw the hockey team from your corner ice club against the Tampa Bay Lightning.

 

[Ringo]

During a half – hour speech in the office of the Director of National Intelligence of the United States, Joe Biden said - " I think the probability of a war is increasing-a real war with weapons with a large state – this will be the result of cyber attacks."

Biden: If U.S. has 'real shooting war' it could be result of cyber attacks

President Joe Biden on Tuesday warned that if the United States ended up in a "real shooting war" with a "major power" it could be the result of a significant cyber attack on the country, highlighting what Washington sees as growing threats posed by Russia and China.

www.reuters.com

Nice! Everything is according to the classics with the Iraq campaign. Only there in the beginning there were massive fakes about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and here there is hyper-hysteria about cyber attacks. The reliability of which cannot be verified in principle... The Democrats are in power - wait for the war. (с) An old American proverb.

 

[Vrenn]

During a half – hour speech in the office of the Director of National Intelligence of the United States, Joe Biden said - " I think the probability of a war is increasing-a real war with weapons with a large state – this will be the result of cyber attacks."

Biden: If U.S. has 'real shooting war' it could be result of cyber attacks

President Joe Biden on Tuesday warned that if the United States ended up in a "real shooting war" with a "major power" it could be the result of a significant cyber attack on the country, highlighting what Washington sees as growing threats posed by Russia and China.

www.reuters.com

Nice! Everything is according to the classics with the Iraq campaign. Only there in the beginning there were massive fakes about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and here there is hyper-hysteria about cyber attacks. The reliability of which cannot be verified in principle... The Democrats are in power - wait for the war. (с) An old American proverb.

Note to Mods, I see Russian Phrasing in the above response.

 

[DudleySmith]

During a half – hour speech in the office of the Director of National Intelligence of the United States, Joe Biden said - " I think the probability of a war is increasing-a real war with weapons with a large state – this will be the result of cyber attacks."

Biden: If U.S. has 'real shooting war' it could be result of cyber attacks

President Joe Biden on Tuesday warned that if the United States ended up in a "real shooting war" with a "major power" it could be the result of a significant cyber attack on the country, highlighting what Washington sees as growing threats posed by Russia and China.

www.reuters.com

Nice! Everything is according to the classics with the Iraq campaign. Only there in the beginning there were massive fakes about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and here there is hyper-hysteria about cyber attacks. The reliability of which cannot be verified in principle... The Democrats are in power - wait for the war. (с) An old American proverb.

Meanwhile China Joe is turning over 1,000 Red Chinese spies loose and letting them leave without charges. The only 'shooting war' the Democrats want is one between Iran and Israel, and they will back Iran. our military will dutifully follow along and do whatever their Red Chinese proxies Joe appointed as commanders tell them to, so don't hold your breath waiting for any Americans to pop up and stop the takeover.

 

[Moonglow]

Biden is already openly sabre rattling with Putin over Ukraine
and behind the scenes building our military presence back up in Syria.

Trump Tells Biden To Give Putin His âWarmest Regards,â Reminisces On âGreatâ Helsinki Summit

The ex-president claimed he ‘won much’ in Helsinki, including the ‘respect of President Putin,’ and told Biden, ‘don’t fall asleep.’

www.forbes.com

Trump as usual has nothing to say that is signicant.

 

[DudleySmith]

Note to Mods, I see Russian Phrasing in the above response.

So what? Americans don't matter, only foreigners and multi-national corporations have opinions that matter these days. Why not let the rest of the world vote in the elections held here? It shouldn't be limited to just illegal aliens, dead people, and felons.

 

[Ringo]

Note to Mods, I see Russian Phrasing in the above response.

Do you think this is another cyber attack? Notify Biden!

 

[Ringo]

US President Biden: "It is more than likely that as a result of a cyber attack, we will find ourselves in a state of war with a major power."
It's time for Grandpa to retire...
Of course, you can blame everything on the dementia of the author of this phrase. If not one "But".
When Trump was brought down, the main claim to him was that he believes the "russians" more than his own intelligence. Joe vowed to "listen" to the CIA. The same CIA that provided the UN with that ill-fated test tube with white powder...

 

[Mushroom]

The same CIA that provided the UN with that ill-fated test tube with white powder...

Never mind that they have found thousands of rounds of chemical munitions scattered throughout Iraq. Including bunkers full of them, as well as at least 5 production facilities that were kept hidden from the UN inspectors.

 

[Dayton3]

And in response, you spin a web of fantasy.

Russia and Germany? OK, now I can only imagine you are a kid, so do not have any comprehension of the history of those nations. But think on this, for half a century the Soviets ruled over half of that nation with an iron fist. Literally cutting it and it's major city in half with a giant wall. Once trying to starve the citizens of West Berlin into submission through an embargo. Then killing anybody that tried to enter West Berlin. Shooting and killing over 200 people that simply wanted to leave East Germany. Many thousands more were killed at the actual border themselves trying to flee East Germany. Even going so far as to make home made balloons to try and get over it.

I've always been impressed at the ingenuity of East Berliners trying to escape to West Berlin. My favorite was the use of Zip Lines.

 

[Vrenn]

I've always been impressed at the ingenuity of East Berliners trying to escape to West Berlin. My favorite was the use of Zip Lines.

And to think that the countries like East Germany and Poland were head and shoulders economically above the "Mother" Country. The difference was, the East Germans weren't fleeing Germany. They were fleeing the Soviet Union part.

 

[Mushroom]

I've always been impressed at the ingenuity of East Berliners trying to escape to West Berlin. My favorite was the use of Zip Lines.

My favorite was in 1979, when two families of 8 people in total used hot air balloons to cross to West Germany. In response, the Soviets even prohibited the ownership of propane canisters and large amounts of cloth, as those were used to make the balloons.

 

[Mushroom]

And to think that the countries like East Germany and Poland were head and shoulders economically above the "Mother" Country. The difference was, the East Germans weren't fleeing Germany. They were fleeing the Soviet Union part.

Unlike most of the Warsaw Pact, East Germany, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were ruled in a brutal way. And East Germany was one of the worst, as much of the Stasi was actually staffed and run by former Nazi officials. Who simply continued their brutal tactics under new leadership.

When East Germany started to unravel in 1989, the East Germans themselves stormed Stasi headquarters themselves, to prevent them from destroying their own records and executing prisoners. And a lot of Stasi members suddenly turned up with a terminal case of death. And confirmed a lot of things long suspected. Like the attempt to assassinate Pope John Paul II was orchestrated by the Stasi, under direction of the KGB. ordered by the KGB to operatives in Bulgaria, with support from the Stasi. And a large chemical spill in Switzerland was conducted to distract the world from Chernobyl. Even that a 1967 murder of a Socialist Protestor in West Germany that riled up the "Left Wing" in Germany for decades afterwards was done by a Stasi agent.

The Stasi really was no better than the Nazis before them, other than the lack of genocide.

 

[Vrenn]

Unlike most of the Warsaw Pact, East Germany, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were ruled in a brutal way. And East Germany was one of the worst, as much of the Stasi was actually staffed and run by former Nazi officials. Who simply continued their brutal tactics under new leadership.

When East Germany started to unravel in 1989, the East Germans themselves stormed Stasi headquarters themselves, to prevent them from destroying their own records and executing prisoners. And a lot of Stasi members suddenly turned up with a terminal case of death. And confirmed a lot of things long suspected. Like the attempt to assassinate Pope John Paul II was orchestrated by the Stasi, under direction of the KGB. ordered by the KGB to operatives in Bulgaria, with support from the Stasi. And a large chemical spill in Switzerland was conducted to distract the world from Chernobyl. Even that a 1967 murder of a Socialist Protestor in West Germany that riled up the "Left Wing" in Germany for decades afterwards was done by a Stasi agent.

The Stasi really was no better than the Nazis before them, other than the lack of genocide.

YOu have absolutely no idea how evil the Nazis were in various captured lands of slavic people. The Stasi didn't even come close to those monsters.

 

[Mushroom]

YOu have absolutely no idea how evil the Nazis were in various captured lands of slavic people. The Stasi didn't even come close to those monsters.

Oh, don't even go there. Trust me, you do not want to go there.

Oh yes, I am well aware that the NSDAP considered the Slaves "Untermenschen". But as they were liquidated at nowhere near the percentages of say the Jews or Romani, this can immediately be ignored.

But do not dare even bring up how they treated the "Slavic" people again to me. They did not eliminate over 50% of that population, so obviously they did not consider their elimination near as important as they did other groups.

This is rough, but I want to say 8/10 of Jews were killed, and around 2/4 of Romani were killed. What, maybe 1/5 of Slavs were killed?

And you act outraged over that? That only tells me you care far more about Slavs than you do about human lives in general.

 

[Ringo]

What, maybe 1/5 of Slavs were killed?
And you act outraged over that? That only tells me you care far more about Slavs than you do about human lives in general.

Deliberately exterminated in the occupied territory of the USSR— 7,420,379 people;
died as a result of a humanitarian catastrophe (famine, infectious diseases, lack of medical care, etc.) — 4,100,000 people;
died in forced labor in Germany — 2,164,313 people (another 451,100 people did not return for various reasons and became emigrants).
This list does not include large, but difficult to calculate, civilian casualties from combat exposure in frontline areas, besieged and besieged cities. So, during the siege of Leningrad, 658,000 people died. During the bombing of Stalingrad — more than 40,000 people. Tens of thousands of people were killed by the bombing of Sevastopol, Odessa, Kerch, Novorossiysk, Smolensk, Tula, Kharkiv, Minsk and Murmansk.

Russia and the Union republics suffered unprecedented demographic losses in the Great Patriotic War. About 20 million men and 6.5 million women died in the war. The resulting gender imbalance caused a sharp increase in the share of single women due to widowhood and a shortage of suitors in the marriage market.

To the death of a huge number of people, deforming the entire age-gender pyramid, there are also deformations caused by a sharp decline in the birth rate during the war years. A quarter of a century after the war, the children of the war years themselves became parents, but there were few of them, so the number of their children was also small — the deepest drop was in 1967-1969, which lagged 25 years behind 1942-1945.
The war started a cycle of fluctuations in the annual number of births, which continues to this day. These cyclical fluctuations in the number of generations affected both the private lives of tens of millions of people, as well as the economic and social life of the entire country

 

[Vrenn]

Oh, don't even go there. Trust me, you do not want to go there.

Oh yes, I am well aware that the NSDAP considered the Slaves "Untermenschen". But as they were liquidated at nowhere near the percentages of say the Jews or Romani, this can immediately be ignored.

But do not dare even bring up how they treated the "Slavic" people again to me. They did not eliminate over 50% of that population, so obviously they did not consider their elimination near as important as they did other groups.

This is rough, but I want to say 8/10 of Jews were killed, and around 2/4 of Romani were killed. What, maybe 1/5 of Slavs were killed?

And you act outraged over that? That only tells me you care far more about Slavs than you do about human lives in general.

Now you are telling me how I should care and to what level? I spent time in West Berlin during the occupation . I spent time in Communist Warsaw. I worked with Germans that were from the Nazi time period. I was scheduled to go to Moscow for the Olympics but before I could board the plane, the US Boycotted it. We had far fewer restrictions in Warsaw than we were going to have in Moscow. And none of them compared with the restrictions or dangers of the SS in occupied territories. The point being (disregard the SS), the GRU and KGB made the Stasi look like Kindergarten Teachers.