Are ventilators really essential?

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

so the other stations don't do that? really? come on man, can't you be honest once in your existence?

Don’t know. I watch very little cable news. I’m just commenting on the Fox News pieces that have been posted here. One was a random family practitioner in New York. Another was a private practice oncologist. Another was an ER doctor in California. None of them world renowned but all billed as “top docs” or something of the sort.

This Dider Raoult at least has an MD and a PhD but is not world renowned. Not in the least.

When a doc appears on cable news, see if they say their credentials. If they’re from a major research hospital, hold an academic title or work at a major government organization, it’s legit. If they run a private practice, ignore it. If it’s a doctor with their own TV show, definitely ignore it.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Oh for Fucks sake.
Would you morons just stop?
If you can't understand why the patients will die without one, then you shouldn't talk about it.
The shear ignorance of people and this thing is off the charts.

I didn’t say they die without one. I am saying not everyone with Wuhan virus needs a ventilator. Please tell me you aren’t so stupid to not know the difference.

What??
Most people who have CV19 are NOT on a vent.
You realize hospitals are now using CPAP as a "vent" because they don't have enough vents? It is better than nothing, but is no vent. And some of them will suffer for it.
Some of these people will wish they had died. The next story about CV19 is the permanent damage to their lungs. The vents decrease the damage done.

Actually that’s not true at all. Your lungs never fully recover once you’re put on a ventilator. It causes massive scar tissue in your lungs. Having said that, yes, of course we need ventilators to save lives. Here in NJ we have a high percentage of ICU patients on ventilators.

What is not true? And I never said vents don't have their side effects, of course they do. They force your lungs to basically do the opposite for what they were designed... you now... the whole negative/positive pressure thing.
I am not sure what you are arguing against?

your interference to the thread? just saying.

So you just want to argue, even though your argument doesn't actually exist.
Got it.


And interference? You realize the premise of this thread is "are vents really necessary"... and someone how he thinks he knows there is no shortage of them. And also claims it is just a political ploy saying hospitals need vents.
So...whatever guy.

only as necessary. I'd prefer that people actually react according to the OP. not swing in and become tarzan when it isn't needed. The OP was spot on. your reaction was unnecessary. all you did was interfere to look like a god, which of course you aren't. but you are a wannabe I guess, otherwise you could have just said that the OP was actually correct.

Again, whatever guy.
If you think my post is somehow alluding to I think I am God...well...that is just funny.
And if I made him look stupid, that is not my problem. What he was saying was over the top stupid.
RT's resist doctors wanting to intubate as a part of their job. It is a big deal to vent someone, and must only be done if the patient is in dire shape.
And no one has ever claimed all CV patients need vented - there aren't enough vents on the planet to do that. The shear notion that hospitals are overusing vents as a political ploy is unbelievably stupid.

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

What a fucking moron and a liar... Dr. Gautret is one of the worlds leading virologists. Keep spinning your left wing bull shit..

And you know that how? Are you big on following medical research? A groupie for virologists?

You say that because that’s what you’ve been told.

 

[jc456]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Oh for Fucks sake.
Would you morons just stop?
If you can't understand why the patients will die without one, then you shouldn't talk about it.
The shear ignorance of people and this thing is off the charts.

I didn’t say they die without one. I am saying not everyone with Wuhan virus needs a ventilator. Please tell me you aren’t so stupid to not know the difference.

What??
Most people who have CV19 are NOT on a vent.
You realize hospitals are now using CPAP as a "vent" because they don't have enough vents? It is better than nothing, but is no vent. And some of them will suffer for it.
Some of these people will wish they had died. The next story about CV19 is the permanent damage to their lungs. The vents decrease the damage done.

Actually that’s not true at all. Your lungs never fully recover once you’re put on a ventilator. It causes massive scar tissue in your lungs. Having said that, yes, of course we need ventilators to save lives. Here in NJ we have a high percentage of ICU patients on ventilators.

What is not true? And I never said vents don't have their side effects, of course they do. They force your lungs to basically do the opposite for what they were designed... you now... the whole negative/positive pressure thing.
I am not sure what you are arguing against?

your interference to the thread? just saying.

So you just want to argue, even though your argument doesn't actually exist.
Got it.


And interference? You realize the premise of this thread is "are vents really necessary"... and someone how he thinks he knows there is no shortage of them. And also claims it is just a political ploy saying hospitals need vents.
So...whatever guy.

only as necessary. I'd prefer that people actually react according to the OP. not swing in and become tarzan when it isn't needed. The OP was spot on. your reaction was unnecessary. all you did was interfere to look like a god, which of course you aren't. but you are a wannabe I guess, otherwise you could have just said that the OP was actually correct.

Again, whatever guy.
If you think my post is somehow alluding to I think I am God...well...that is just funny.
And if I made him look stupid, that is not my problem. What he was saying was over the top stupid.
RT's resist doctors wanting to intubate as a part of their job. It is a big deal to vent someone, and must only be done if the patient is in dire shape.
And no one has ever claimed all CV patients need vented - there aren't enough vents on the planet to do that. The shear notion that hospitals are overusing vents as a political ploy is unbelievably stupid.

naw, you looked stupid and hence my reaction to your post. And sure you think you know it all, you have kids who have this and that experience, and hly fk now they are the experts and that automatically makes you the expert and dude, you trashed a thread. not needed. intubate is a painful process. fking painful. that's why they put patience out to insert the tube. It is a last stitch effort after drugs don't work, it's why RT's resist doctors. It isn't fun. I know they show it on tv all the time like Greys anatomy and Chicago Med, but it is not something that is done without regret. And I haven't seen one article that says the number of patience actually on ventilators. just that they need them. why? go to the county by county numbers, where? name a place. If you think that there aren't already patience on ventilators, without Wuhan Virus, you are mistaken, . that isn't logical at all.

Logic, and you don't seem to relish that common element.

 

[jc456]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

so the other stations don't do that? really? come on man, can't you be honest once in your existence?

Don’t know. I watch very little cable news. I’m just commenting on the Fox News pieces that have been posted here. One was a random family practitioner in New York. Another was a private practice oncologist. Another was an ER doctor in California. None of them world renowned but all billed as “top docs” or something of the sort.

This Dider Raoult at least has an MD and a PhD but is not world renowned. Not in the least.

When a doc appears on cable news, see if they say their credentials. If they’re from a major research hospital, hold an academic title or work at a major government organization, it’s legit. If they run a private practice, ignore it. If it’s a doctor with their own TV show, definitely ignore it.

your lack of honesty is well noted in here. again, you avoid the answer. so you don't think other networks use experts. gotcha.

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

so the other stations don't do that? really? come on man, can't you be honest once in your existence?

Don’t know. I watch very little cable news. I’m just commenting on the Fox News pieces that have been posted here. One was a random family practitioner in New York. Another was a private practice oncologist. Another was an ER doctor in California. None of them world renowned but all billed as “top docs” or something of the sort.

This Dider Raoult at least has an MD and a PhD but is not world renowned. Not in the least.

When a doc appears on cable news, see if they say their credentials. If they’re from a major research hospital, hold an academic title or work at a major government organization, it’s legit. If they run a private practice, ignore it. If it’s a doctor with their own TV show, definitely ignore it.

your lack of honesty is well noted in here. again, you avoid the answer. so you don't think other networks use experts. gotcha.

I am being honest. You just don’t like what I’m saying. Not my problem.

 

[jc456]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

so the other stations don't do that? really? come on man, can't you be honest once in your existence?

Don’t know. I watch very little cable news. I’m just commenting on the Fox News pieces that have been posted here. One was a random family practitioner in New York. Another was a private practice oncologist. Another was an ER doctor in California. None of them world renowned but all billed as “top docs” or something of the sort.

This Dider Raoult at least has an MD and a PhD but is not world renowned. Not in the least.

When a doc appears on cable news, see if they say their credentials. If they’re from a major research hospital, hold an academic title or work at a major government organization, it’s legit. If they run a private practice, ignore it. If it’s a doctor with their own TV show, definitely ignore it.

your lack of honesty is well noted in here. again, you avoid the answer. so you don't think other networks use experts. gotcha.

I am being honest. You just don’t like what I’m saying. Not my problem.

naw, you ain't honest at all. or you really are stupid. I could flip a coin I guess.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Oh for Fucks sake.
Would you morons just stop?
If you can't understand why the patients will die without one, then you shouldn't talk about it.
The shear ignorance of people and this thing is off the charts.

I didn’t say they die without one. I am saying not everyone with Wuhan virus needs a ventilator. Please tell me you aren’t so stupid to not know the difference.

What??
Most people who have CV19 are NOT on a vent.
You realize hospitals are now using CPAP as a "vent" because they don't have enough vents? It is better than nothing, but is no vent. And some of them will suffer for it.
Some of these people will wish they had died. The next story about CV19 is the permanent damage to their lungs. The vents decrease the damage done.

Actually that’s not true at all. Your lungs never fully recover once you’re put on a ventilator. It causes massive scar tissue in your lungs. Having said that, yes, of course we need ventilators to save lives. Here in NJ we have a high percentage of ICU patients on ventilators.

What is not true? And I never said vents don't have their side effects, of course they do. They force your lungs to basically do the opposite for what they were designed... you now... the whole negative/positive pressure thing.
I am not sure what you are arguing against?

your interference to the thread? just saying.

So you just want to argue, even though your argument doesn't actually exist.
Got it.


And interference? You realize the premise of this thread is "are vents really necessary"... and someone how he thinks he knows there is no shortage of them. And also claims it is just a political ploy saying hospitals need vents.
So...whatever guy.

only as necessary. I'd prefer that people actually react according to the OP. not swing in and become tarzan when it isn't needed. The OP was spot on. your reaction was unnecessary. all you did was interfere to look like a god, which of course you aren't. but you are a wannabe I guess, otherwise you could have just said that the OP was actually correct.

Again, whatever guy.
If you think my post is somehow alluding to I think I am God...well...that is just funny.
And if I made him look stupid, that is not my problem. What he was saying was over the top stupid.
RT's resist doctors wanting to intubate as a part of their job. It is a big deal to vent someone, and must only be done if the patient is in dire shape.
And no one has ever claimed all CV patients need vented - there aren't enough vents on the planet to do that. The shear notion that hospitals are overusing vents as a political ploy is unbelievably stupid.

naw, you looked stupid and hence my reaction to your post. And sure you think you know it all, you have kids who have this and that experience, and hly fk now they are the experts and that automatically makes you the expert and dude, you trashed a thread. not needed. intubate is a painful process. fking painful. that's why they put patience out to insert the tube. It is a last stitch effort after drugs don't work, it's why RT's resist doctors. It isn't fun. I know they show it on tv all the time like Greys anatomy and Chicago Med, but it is not something that is done without regret. And I haven't seen one article that says the number of patience actually on ventilators. just that they need them. why? go to the county by county numbers, where? name a place. If you think that there aren't already patience on ventilators, without Wuhan Virus, you are mistaken, . that isn't logical at all.

Logic, and you don't seem to relish that common element.

Hilarious.
Again, whatever guy.
You have the chip on your shoulder about something, I don't.
Your interpretation of my posts is inaccurate, exaggerated and out of context. Pretty much what the media does to Trump everyday. You are being the Jim Acosta here. Not me.

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

so the other stations don't do that? really? come on man, can't you be honest once in your existence?

Don’t know. I watch very little cable news. I’m just commenting on the Fox News pieces that have been posted here. One was a random family practitioner in New York. Another was a private practice oncologist. Another was an ER doctor in California. None of them world renowned but all billed as “top docs” or something of the sort.

This Dider Raoult at least has an MD and a PhD but is not world renowned. Not in the least.

When a doc appears on cable news, see if they say their credentials. If they’re from a major research hospital, hold an academic title or work at a major government organization, it’s legit. If they run a private practice, ignore it. If it’s a doctor with their own TV show, definitely ignore it.

your lack of honesty is well noted in here. again, you avoid the answer. so you don't think other networks use experts. gotcha.

I am being honest. You just don’t like what I’m saying. Not my problem.

naw, you ain't honest at all. or you really are stupid. I could flip a coin I guess.

You haven’t demonstrated a good ability to differentiate between truth and things you don’t want to hear.

Hell, you think there is an international conspiracy to suppress video of thousands of Muslims dancing in New Jersey on 9/11. That’s either very dishonest or stupid.

 

[jc456]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Oh for Fucks sake.
Would you morons just stop?
If you can't understand why the patients will die without one, then you shouldn't talk about it.
The shear ignorance of people and this thing is off the charts.

I didn’t say they die without one. I am saying not everyone with Wuhan virus needs a ventilator. Please tell me you aren’t so stupid to not know the difference.

What??
Most people who have CV19 are NOT on a vent.
You realize hospitals are now using CPAP as a "vent" because they don't have enough vents? It is better than nothing, but is no vent. And some of them will suffer for it.
Some of these people will wish they had died. The next story about CV19 is the permanent damage to their lungs. The vents decrease the damage done.

Actually that’s not true at all. Your lungs never fully recover once you’re put on a ventilator. It causes massive scar tissue in your lungs. Having said that, yes, of course we need ventilators to save lives. Here in NJ we have a high percentage of ICU patients on ventilators.

What is not true? And I never said vents don't have their side effects, of course they do. They force your lungs to basically do the opposite for what they were designed... you now... the whole negative/positive pressure thing.
I am not sure what you are arguing against?

your interference to the thread? just saying.

So you just want to argue, even though your argument doesn't actually exist.
Got it.


And interference? You realize the premise of this thread is "are vents really necessary"... and someone how he thinks he knows there is no shortage of them. And also claims it is just a political ploy saying hospitals need vents.
So...whatever guy.

only as necessary. I'd prefer that people actually react according to the OP. not swing in and become tarzan when it isn't needed. The OP was spot on. your reaction was unnecessary. all you did was interfere to look like a god, which of course you aren't. but you are a wannabe I guess, otherwise you could have just said that the OP was actually correct.

Again, whatever guy.
If you think my post is somehow alluding to I think I am God...well...that is just funny.
And if I made him look stupid, that is not my problem. What he was saying was over the top stupid.
RT's resist doctors wanting to intubate as a part of their job. It is a big deal to vent someone, and must only be done if the patient is in dire shape.
And no one has ever claimed all CV patients need vented - there aren't enough vents on the planet to do that. The shear notion that hospitals are overusing vents as a political ploy is unbelievably stupid.

naw, you looked stupid and hence my reaction to your post. And sure you think you know it all, you have kids who have this and that experience, and hly fk now they are the experts and that automatically makes you the expert and dude, you trashed a thread. not needed. intubate is a painful process. fking painful. that's why they put patience out to insert the tube. It is a last stitch effort after drugs don't work, it's why RT's resist doctors. It isn't fun. I know they show it on tv all the time like Greys anatomy and Chicago Med, but it is not something that is done without regret. And I haven't seen one article that says the number of patience actually on ventilators. just that they need them. why? go to the county by county numbers, where? name a place. If you think that there aren't already patience on ventilators, without Wuhan Virus, you are mistaken, . that isn't logical at all.

Logic, and you don't seem to relish that common element.

Hilarious.
Again, whatever guy.
You have the chip on your shoulder about something, I don't.
Your interpretation of my posts is inaccurate, exaggerated and out of context. Pretty much what the media does to Trump everyday. You are being the Jim Acosta here. Not me.

naw, I'm spot on. BTW, way to project your chip.

 

[jc456]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Correct;

They are used when the muscles of the chest are too weak to fully open and inflate the lungs. This condition usually ends with the patient drowning in their own fluids. By giving a patient the drug hydrocoriquine this stops the bodies attack on the lungs and allows pneumonia to clear in about 70% of those affected.

This should be communicated by the media.

Azithromicin or Zinc is given in conjunction to stop the bacterial infection that is secondary and accompanies the pneumonia. The New study of 1000 paitents that came out last night from france identifed that the use of these drugs in concert earlier in the diseses progresseion stops the need to be placed on a ventilator 99.9% of the time.

Great. The media should report this.

FOX did it last night but no one else to my knowledge is carrying the story..

Fox has been pumping a bunch of “experts” who are anything but. I feel bad for their viewers.

World renowned doctors in virology are now quacks because they dont espouse you're socialist dream....

Fox News has a habit of calling any random doctor “world renowned” when they put them on the air. Are they actually world renowned? No. But you don’t know any better so you believe them.

so the other stations don't do that? really? come on man, can't you be honest once in your existence?

Don’t know. I watch very little cable news. I’m just commenting on the Fox News pieces that have been posted here. One was a random family practitioner in New York. Another was a private practice oncologist. Another was an ER doctor in California. None of them world renowned but all billed as “top docs” or something of the sort.

This Dider Raoult at least has an MD and a PhD but is not world renowned. Not in the least.

When a doc appears on cable news, see if they say their credentials. If they’re from a major research hospital, hold an academic title or work at a major government organization, it’s legit. If they run a private practice, ignore it. If it’s a doctor with their own TV show, definitely ignore it.

your lack of honesty is well noted in here. again, you avoid the answer. so you don't think other networks use experts. gotcha.

I am being honest. You just don’t like what I’m saying. Not my problem.

naw, you ain't honest at all. or you really are stupid. I could flip a coin I guess.

You haven’t demonstrated a good ability to differentiate between truth and things you don’t want to hear.

Hell, you think there is an international conspiracy to suppress video of thousands of Muslims dancing in New Jersey on 9/11. That’s either very dishonest or stupid.

naw, I believe trump saw them. I have that right. I don't believe that 100,000 americans are going to die in six days, but you do. who's the one unrealistic?

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Once a person is sick enough to need a ventilator, they usually die.

To me, if a life can be saved, it should be saved.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[irosie91]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

there is plenty of knowledge

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

there is plenty of knowledge

Not really. The data is very poor quality. Remember, this is a disease that recovers spontaneously in the vast majority of people.

 

[eagle1462010]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

Oh for Fucks sake.
Would you morons just stop?
If you can't understand why the patients will die without one, then you shouldn't talk about it.
The shear ignorance of people and this thing is off the charts.

I didn’t say they die without one. I am saying not everyone with Wuhan virus needs a ventilator. Please tell me you aren’t so stupid to not know the difference.

What??
Most people who have CV19 are NOT on a vent.
You realize hospitals are now using CPAP as a "vent" because they don't have enough vents? It is better than nothing, but is no vent. And some of them will suffer for it.
Some of these people will wish they had died. The next story about CV19 is the permanent damage to their lungs. The vents decrease the damage done.

Actually that’s not true at all. Your lungs never fully recover once you’re put on a ventilator. It causes massive scar tissue in your lungs. Having said that, yes, of course we need ventilators to save lives. Here in NJ we have a high percentage of ICU patients on ventilators.

How many reporters have any idea how they work? Like none?

Let it go............Reporters aren't on the front lines..........

The ventilators are necessary...in regards to the numbers........Major manufacturing companies are RETOOLING THEIR ASSEMBLY LINES to make them.

We don't do those things unless we need them..........

what numbers?

The numbers needing them from the people who are doing the job......Not the media........and yes that is happening.

 

[irosie91]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

there is plenty of knowledge

Not really. The data is very poor quality. Remember, this is a disease that recovers spontaneously in the vast majority of people.

you are clueless ------utterly ignorant of the pathophysiology of the respiratory problems CAUSED by the virus

 

[eagle1462010]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

And you can’t claim there are not en Ugh ventilators.

Give us an example of someone needing a ventilator that was not provided one.

Again the shear ignorance. What kind of person are you to assume you somehow know?
As I have said in other threads, my son is a Respiratory Specialist, my daughter is an RT and her husband is a Paramedic. All three are directly providing care to CV patients. Particularly my daughter, who has pod responsibility of adult ICU. Her hospital is using CPAPs instead of vents for several patients. They do not have enough vents. Now imagine o yourself how fucking difficult it is to decide who gets one and who doesn't. Knowing full well the one who doesn't may die or suffer permanent damage because if it.

What permanent damage?

What are you talking about it, the other day some 104 year old man got the libtard/communist virus and survived.

scar tissue from the virus.

Ignorance is not knowing, Stupidity is insisting that you do know.
And that is the case here. We are talking near "flat earth" stupidity shown here.

Here’s the Damage Coronavirus (COVID-19) Can Do to Your Lungs

New evidence shows how coronavirus (COVID-19) can damage your lungs, leading to severe respiratory issues. Our lung pathologist explains.

health.clevelandclinic.org

The coronavirus damages both the wall and lining cells of the alveolus as well as the capillaries. The debris that accumulates because of all of that damage lines the wall of the alveolus the same way paint would cover a wall, Dr. Mukhopadhyay points out. The damage to capillaries also causes them to leak plasma proteins that add to the wall’s thickness.

“Eventually, the wall of the alveolus gets thicker than it should be,” he notes. “The thicker this wall gets, the harder it is to transfer oxygen, the more you feel short of breath, and the more and more you start moving towards severe illness and possibly death.”

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

there is plenty of knowledge

Not really. The data is very poor quality. Remember, this is a disease that recovers spontaneously in the vast majority of people.

you are clueless ------utterly ignorant of the pathophysiology of the respiratory problems CAUSED by the virus

Oh really? What are your qualifications?

 

[irosie91]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

there is plenty of knowledge

Not really. The data is very poor quality. Remember, this is a disease that recovers spontaneously in the vast majority of people.

you are clueless ------utterly ignorant of the pathophysiology of the respiratory problems CAUSED by the virus

Oh really? What are your qualifications?

I would rather not say-----however, it is clear that you are
utterly clueless-------ask cousin Jack----the internist

 

[colfax_m]

Raise your hand if you know how a ventilator works.

Patient is sedated and lungs are paralyzed. It’s a last ditch action. We don’t need as many ventilators as is claimed by the media.

I know how they work. People are sedated because it’s uncomfortable. Their lungs aren’t paralyzed (usually), this isn’t a polio epidemic. Their lungs are stiff, inflamed and can’t absorb oxygen easily. They’re necessary when the virus causes severe inflammation called ARDS.

They are not used in every COVID situation. The media would have you believe so. If you know how they work, you know they are end of life. They are not commonly used.

Depends on what you mean by commonly. They’re used in hospitals all the time. They are not end of life. Far from it. If ventilation were futile, they wouldn’t be used in the first place.

Like the drugs Darunavir, Nelfinavir, Saquinavir, Moexipril; the chemotherapy drugs Daunorubicin and Mitoxantrone; the painkiller Metamizole; the antihistamine Bepotastine; and the antimalarial drug Atovaquone.

What was your point? You googled a list of drugs you know nothing about?

Why are they available if they don’t work? Your inane dumb fucking post deserved a list of potential drugs that could work and are under trial.

Orange Man Bad..we know.

They’re available because they work for something. There’s no knowledge if they work for COVID.

there is plenty of knowledge

Not really. The data is very poor quality. Remember, this is a disease that recovers spontaneously in the vast majority of people.

you are clueless ------utterly ignorant of the pathophysiology of the respiratory problems CAUSED by the virus

Oh really? What are your qualifications?

I would rather not say-----however, it is clear that you are
utterly clueless-------ask cousin Jack----the internist

Is that because you have no qualifications?