Debate Now Ant-Vaccine, or Anti-Vaccines?

[Road Runner]

As I'm currently scheduling a time when I can get a Flu-shot, I was just wondering, for all of you refusing to get a Covid-19 shot, are you just against that shot or vaccines in general?


Note: This is the only and important rule. This ISN'T a discussion whether or not somebody should get a vaccine so don't make it out to be. I'm sick and tired of people trying to force their beliefs on someone when it's a personal choice. You can explain your reasonings, but please,.. leave preaching for church!

 

[TNHarley]

I am not anti vaxx at all. I am against experimental genetic based therapy.

 

[Road Runner]

I am not anti vaxx at all. I am against experimental genetic based therapy.

Okay and so that's what you think the Covid vaccine is.

 

[TNHarley]

Okay and so that's what you think the Covid vaccine is.

Yes, because thats what it is.

 

[Road Runner]

Yes, because thats what it is.

You can explain why you think that as I'm curious, but like the rules state just no preaching on what other people should or shouldn't do.

 

[TNHarley]

You can explain why you think that as I'm curious, but like the rules state just no preaching on what other people should or shouldn't do.

IDC what people do. Its their life.

Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes

Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes, experts have told Reuters after contrary claims were posted online.

www.reuters.com

“As mRNA is genetic material, mRNA vaccines can be looked at as a genetic-based therapy, but they are classified as vaccines and are not designed to alter your genes,” said Dr Adam Taylor, a virologist and research fellow at the Menzies Health Institute, Queensland, Griffith University.
Of course, I dont see how these are "vaccines" either.
Online Medical Dictionary

Vaccine = Suspensions of killed or attenuated microorganisms (bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoa), antigenic proteins, synthetic constructs, or other bio-molecular derivatives, administered for the prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious and other diseases.

These inject genetic material into our bodies that tells our cells what to do.

 

[Road Runner]

IDC what people do. Its their life.

Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes

Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes, experts have told Reuters after contrary claims were posted online.

www.reuters.com

“As mRNA is genetic material, mRNA vaccines can be looked at as a genetic-based therapy, but they are classified as vaccines and are not designed to alter your genes,” said Dr Adam Taylor, a virologist and research fellow at the Menzies Health Institute, Queensland, Griffith University.
Of course, I dont see how these are "vaccines" either.
Online Medical Dictionary

Vaccine = Suspensions of killed or attenuated microorganisms (bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoa), antigenic proteins, synthetic constructs, or other bio-molecular derivatives, administered for the prevention, amelioration, or treatment of infectious and other diseases.

These inject genetic material into our bodies that tells our cells what to do.

Okay, but how is that possible when we all have the same DNA and genes that we're born with? That is if I'm understanding you right that you think this vaccine alters them.

 

[TNHarley]

Okay, but how is that possible when we all have the same DNA and genes that we're born with? That is if I'm understanding you right that you think this vaccine alters them.

It tells your cells to do something unnatural.

 

[Road Runner]

It tells your cells to do something unnatural.

Such as? (I also wanted to point out for the record that despite what people think and say the Flu hasn't actually gone anywhere, it's just that Covid-19 has gotten more attention.)

 

[TNHarley]

Such as? (I also wanted to point out for the record that despite what people think and say the Flu hasn't actually gone anywhere, it's just that Covid-19 has gotten more attention.)

They use a synthesized strand of rna that tells our cells to act a certain way.

 

[Uncensored2008]

As I'm currently scheduling a time when I can get a Flu-shot, I was just wondering, for all of you refusing to get a Covid-19 shot, are you just against that shot or vaccines in general?


Note: This is the only and important rule. This ISN'T a discussion whether or not somebody should get a vaccine so don't make it out to be. I'm sick and tired of people trying to force their beliefs on someone when it's a personal choice. You can explain your reasonings, but please,.. leave preaching for church!

Keep in mind that the shot's for the Wuhan Designer Virus® are not in fact "vaccines" but an RNA sequencer. Vaccines use dead virus to create antibodies to a virus. The mRNA sequencer does not contain the virus nor does it create antibodies. Instead it creates and artificial RNA sequence that in theory will react to spike proteins and block them from attaching to cells.

Hesitation to the RNA sequencer has nothing to do with "anti-Vax" as this is not a vaccine and doesn't work like a vaccine.

 

[Road Runner]

They use a synthesized strand of rna that tells our cells to act a certain way.

That still doesn't tell me which way though.

 

[Road Runner]

Instead it creates and artificial RNA sequence that in theory will react to spike proteins and block them from attaching to cells.

I'm not really sure what you mean by that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that.

This may help.

COVID-19 vaccine: What’s RNA research got to do with it?

RNA research at the University of Rochester provides a foundation for developing antiviral drugs, vaccines, and other therapeutics to disrupt coronavirus.

www.rochester.edu

 

[theHawk]

As I'm currently scheduling a time when I can get a Flu-shot, I was just wondering, for all of you refusing to get a Covid-19 shot, are you just against that shot or vaccines in general?


Note: This is the only and important rule. This ISN'T a discussion whether or not somebody should get a vaccine so don't make it out to be. I'm sick and tired of people trying to force their beliefs on someone when it's a personal choice. You can explain your reasonings, but please,.. leave preaching for church!

I’m against forcing a vaccine that has no long term testing.

Fauci himself in 2019 said mRNA vaccines would take a decade to get approved even if perfect.

Well it hasn’t been a decade and we know they aren’t perfect. So why is that suddenly an “anti-Vax” stance to have?

 

[Road Runner]

I’m against forcing a vaccine that has no long term testing.

Fauci himself in 2019 said mRNA vaccines would take a decade to get approved even if perfect.

Well it hasn’t been a decade and we know they aren’t perfect. So why is that suddenly an “anti-Vax” stance to have?

Because you can't say that you're pro-vax.

 

[theHawk]

Because you can't say that you're pro-vax.

Depends on what you mean by “pro-vax”.

I have nothing against people getting vaccinations for various diseases.

I am against experimental vaccines being forced on people or using coercion to get them to take it.

 

[Road Runner]

Depends on what you mean by “pro-vax”.

I have nothing against people getting vaccinations for various diseases.

I am against experimental vaccines being forced on people or using coercion to get them to take it.

I can actually see where you're coming from with this.

 

[MarathonMike]

theHawk The Covid vaccines in general appear to be effective against serious Covid illness. But we barely a year's worth of data, and we don't know what we don't know. Thalidomide is a perfect example of a drug that caused horrendous problems that didn't surface until years after the drug was released for use.

 

[Uncensored2008]

theHawk The Covid vaccines in general appear to be effective against serious Covid illness. But we barely a year's worth of data, and we don't know what we don't know. Thalidomide is a perfect example of a drug that caused horrendous problems that didn't surface until years after the drug was released for use.

We are seeing serious cardio-vascular issues with the RNA Sequencers.

COVID-19 Vaccination

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