A popular democrat leaving the party to create a 3rd party can't be good news for the DNC. My guess is that Media Matters will investigate every aspect of Yang's life and democrats will blackmail him into changing his mind.
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It’s obvious you have never joined your local Democratic Party.A ‘third party’ isn’t the answer, of course.
And the problem isn’t the two-party system.
The problem – as always – is the willful ignorance, apathy, stupidity, and laziness of the American people.
Real solutions and reform come only at the very local level, when voters participate and get involved.
The American people are solely responsible for the bad government they get, not a ‘duopoly.’
Like the US, yes.
Two wings of one party, both criminally beholden to the plutocracy of which they are a part.
Yes, the rich will do what they please not matter who is in charge. Not sure what your point is. Being rich just insulates you.Just like the US.
Not that debate leads anywhere - the plutocracy does as it pleases regardless.
Democrats, take note.
If you're just a hysterical sheep and not a psychopath, stop before it's too late.
ops - I cut this part out in my reply above.
But yeah - one criminal party with two insane wings (the Democrat wing INCREDIBLY dangerous right now), and debate/discussion meaningless.
But believe me, I get it - you LOVE it, and don't want real representation or an actual democratic process.
Freedom is slavery & all that.
A popular democrat leaving the party to create a 3rd party can't be good news for the DNC. My guess is that Media Matters will investigate every aspect of Yang's life and democrats will blackmail him into changing his mind.
And you vote R now when you’re a white supremacist member of the trump death cult.
you’re welcome
Too much work; the Dims will just make sure he never becomes a threat via massive criminal voter fraud/suppression.A popular democrat leaving the party to create a 3rd party can't be good news for the DNC. My guess is that Media Matters will investigate every aspect of Yang's life and democrats will blackmail him into changing his mind.
Well now hold on there, buckaroo!It’s obvious you have never joined your local Democratic Party.
Your reps don’t give a shit about you.
One party; no real debate.The fact we have two parties and vigorous debate is healthy.
Both.The real problem isn't partisanship, it's apathy.
Some of the smartest people I know refuse to participate in the farce.Half of us don't even bother to vote, not because of any other reason than laziness and indifference.
Finally some concordance.Yes, the rich will do what they please not matter who is in charge.
I believe you.Not sure what your point is.
No - being rich means you own both parties.Being rich just insulates you.
The middle class barely exists anymore.Being middle class insulates you, for that matter.
Bush II one of the worst presidents in history; belongs in front of a firing squad.As much of fuckups at Bush
5th worst president of the century so far!and Trump were,
It's all about you - I understand.they only slightly inconvenienced me.
Projection.Frankly, only person coming off as unbalanced in this conversation is you.
We'll never know, as the Democrats insist on criminally suppressing/destroying them & their voters to prevent them from ever having any real power.Our politics are not made better by third parties.
See above, Boomer.I'm old enough to have seen several third parties, and they never amount to a hill of beans.
Projection.It's not the fault of the two party system you are a miserable failure at life.
Nope.Well, no, we really don't. What we need is to have two parties not run by Crazy people. Sadly, we don't have that right now.
The real reason why politicians don't listen to their constituents is that their constituents aren't really engaged.
I did an experiment in my office a few years ago, asking all my coworkers if they could name our two senators at the time. Most couldn't.
Only 37% of Americans can name their congressman. Now, it's bad enough that most congressional districts aren't really competitive in the general election (leaving who goes to congress in the hands of the small number of people who vote in primaries, which is how you get clowns like AOC and Taylor Greene in there), but the fact that most of us don't know our congressman is really a problem.
I don't see how having a third party mucking things up by forcing coalition votes and more pandering to get a few fringe characters on board is going to make this better.
One party; no real debate.
Some of the smartest people I know refuse to participate in the farce.
The middle class barely exists anymore.
Bush II one of the worst presidents in history; belongs in front of a firing squad.
5th worst president of the century so far!
We'll never know, as the Democrats insist on criminally suppressing/destroying them & their voters to prevent them from ever having any real power.
Nope.
We need a system where one bunch of idiots cannot control the house or senate.
The only way to do that is with a 3rd party for a wedge
The more the better.Why stop at three parties? Why not four, five or six.
Why not have what the Germans have, 47 parties running and no one is expected to get more than 30% of the vote.
With ranked choice voting, no one wins without majority support.Why stop at three parties? Why not four, five or six.
Why not have what the Germans have, 47 parties running and no one is expected to get more than 30% of the vote.
LOL - we don't have "vigorous debate". We have hyper-partisan jackasses flinging their poo at each other.The fact we have two parties and vigorous debate is healthy.
I live in Nassau County and both parties are rife with nepotism and cronyism.Well now hold on there, buckaroo!
How much money are we talking about in contributions?
Money owns the Democrats in particular.
Well, that's one reason 3rd parties are so viciously attacked by the Democrats.Nope.
We need a system where one bunch of idiots cannot control the house or senate.
The only way to do that is with a 3rd party for a wedge
Yup.Okay, if you say so...
There's no one on the left here.I guess all the people here debating left vs. right
Not any which affect policy (your point before you moved the goalposts), no.aren't having a debate at all....
They'll be devastated by your assessment I'm sure.Then the people you hang out with are pretty fucking stupid..
Childish trolling.but we knew that, they hang out with you.
The single party with two wings.And whose fault is that?
That wing is almost as dangerous to the working/middle class as the Democrat wing, yes.The Republicans have spent the last 50 years busting unions, imposing right to work, at will employment.
Trump: 5th worst president of the century so far!Actually, no where near as bad as Trump. Trump made Bush look smart, Clinton look ethical and Obama look humble.
See above.No, he's probably the worst in our history.
Historic ignorance & homophobia noted; your bigotry is truly...Or at least running neck and neck with James "Nancy-boy" Buchanan.
No; I've already addressed this, and repeatedly.Actually, what prevents them from having power is they largely tend to be fringe parties, often focused on one issue.
Bizarre/irrelevant.Let's take the Reform Party, as it was probably the most successful third party since the progressives in 1912 (at least in terms of the popular vote, where he got 19%). The reform party had two major issues. 1) Reducing The Debt and 2) NAFTA. Ross Perot spent a lot of money promoting himself, and the media ignored the fact the guy was kind of nuts.
Well, by 1996, they kind of lost their mojo. NAFTA happened, and frankly, it was a better deal for the US than Mexico. Both parties made significant efforts to reduce the debt, and people were angry about it when they realized that meant less services and higher taxes.
So the next time Perot ran, this time on the taxpayer's dime, he got 8% of the vote.
Pretty much a Zombie party at that point, the Reform Party still wandered around, animated by the stupidity that is Federal Matching Funds, and Pat Buchanan was the nominee in 2000. You know, the guy who praised Hitler. Oh, my God. Seriously. All your Godwins, and one of your beloved third parties nominated an ACTUAL Nazi. He got 0.43% of the vote. Oh, how the mighty had fallen.
See above.Now, that should have been the end, but it wasn't. The Reform Party nomination was seized by Ralph Nader in 2004 when the Greens didn't nominate him again to avoid being blamed for Bush winning a second term. He also got .4% of the vote, and that was with a bunch of other loon parties supporting him to get him on the ballot in other states.
Already addressed.Now, you can blame the Major Parties, but the reality was, the Reform Party failed to last because it was a fringe movement with diminishing returns...
False & already addressed.The major parties survive because they are successful coalitions of interest groups with real concerns about issues.