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Sarkozy to submit bill banning Islamic face veils - Yahoo! News

PARIS – French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered legislation that would ban women from wearing Islamic veils that fully cover the face and body in public places, the government said Wednesday.

It is Sarkozy's first political action toward an outright ban, though he has repeatedly said such outfits oppress women and are not welcome in France, home to a firmly secular government.
 
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Sarkozy is a righty. By French standards.


I can see this as a good idea only as a public safety measure, and I see no way this qualifies as a public safety measure.

Because of the large foreign student population at my college, I have seen a few of these. Poor women must feel very stupid in that get up. in addition to being miserably uncomfortable.

Most of the muslim women I see are from Indonesia, which has somehow managed to co opt the idea of proper modest muslim dress into something sensual and provocative. You got to see it to believe it.

And quite a few of the women from the Mideast and far east must be very glad to get out from under dad and uncles. I see a bit of that too.

I think making the women suffer more, they ought to do something about the attitudes that force them into these ridiculous clothes.
 

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Will be interesting to see if this makes it into French law.

After all. The French have allowed themselves to be overrun with Muslim immigrants. Huge Muslim population residing in France.

Wonder how this will play out??
 

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Sarkozy to submit bill banning Islamic face veils - Yahoo! News

PARIS – French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered legislation that would ban women from wearing Islamic veils that fully cover the face and body in public places, the government said Wednesday.

It is Sarkozy's first political action toward an outright ban, though he has repeatedly said such outfits oppress women and are not welcome in France, home to a firmly secular government.
Sarko is not all that popular in France. I don't know why you would think he represents France in the minds of leftists.
 

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Sarkozy is a righty. By French standards.


I can see this as a good idea only as a public safety measure, and I see no way this qualifies as a public safety measure.

Because of the large foreign student population at my college, I have seen a few of these. Poor women must feel very stupid in that get up. in addition to being miserably uncomfortable.

Most of the muslim women I see are from Indonesia, which has somehow managed to co opt the idea of proper modest muslim dress into something sensual and provocative. You got to see it to believe it.

And quite a few of the women from the Mideast and far east must be very glad to get out from under dad and uncles. I see a bit of that too.

I think making the women suffer more, they ought to do something about the attitudes that force them into these ridiculous clothes.
I just want to add that many educated and western Muslim women choose to wear the veil to make a statement about their own choices. They resent being told NOT to wear one as much as some resent being told they must wear one.
 
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Facists are a political party made of at least 90% white people.

Can we think of a political party in the US today that is 90% white? A party that wants the police to "stop" people of color and ask to see their state issued ID? I can.
 

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I think making the women suffer more, they ought to do something about the attitudes that force them into these ridiculous clothes.
Good point. Making up dress codes for women is more of a way of avoiding dealing with what it is in societies that causes people to blame women for what happens to them because of the way they dress that it is with figuring out why people still think women need to be controlled.
 

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Sarkozy to submit bill banning Islamic face veils - Yahoo! News

PARIS – French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered legislation that would ban women from wearing Islamic veils that fully cover the face and body in public places, the government said Wednesday.

It is Sarkozy's first political action toward an outright ban, though he has repeatedly said such outfits oppress women and are not welcome in France, home to a firmly secular government.
Sarko is not all that popular in France. I don't know why you would think he represents France in the minds of leftists.
He was elected to office, right? So how is he not representative of France? You also may want to insert 0bama where you read Sarkozy' the US where you see France and give it a read. Funny stuff.
 
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Leftists are fascist, end of story.
Facists are a political party made of at least 90% white people.

Can we think of a political party in the US today that is 90% white? A party that wants the police to "stop" people of color and ask to see their state issued ID? I can.


Sun up in the east, we can be mostly sure. Death... We can't know because not everyone has died. And some folks evade taxes. But a rubber stamp non sequitor from Rdean is absolutely guaranteed.
 
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Leftists are fascist, end of story.
Facists are a political party made of at least 90% white people.

Can we think of a political party in the US today that is 90% white? A party that wants the police to "stop" people of color and ask to see their state issued ID? I can.


Sun up in the east, we can be mostly sure. Death... We can't know because not everyone has died. And some folks evade taxes. But a rubber stamp non sequitor from Rdean is absolutely guaranteed.
I'm sorry. Was I wrong? How was I wrong?


Well?


Well?


Thought so.
 

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Sarkozy to submit bill banning Islamic face veils - Yahoo! News

PARIS – French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered legislation that would ban women from wearing Islamic veils that fully cover the face and body in public places, the government said Wednesday.

It is Sarkozy's first political action toward an outright ban, though he has repeatedly said such outfits oppress women and are not welcome in France, home to a firmly secular government.
Sarko is not all that popular in France. I don't know why you would think he represents France in the minds of leftists.
He was elected to office, right? So how is he not representative of France? You also may want to insert 0bama where you read Sarkozy' the US where you see France and give it a read. Funny stuff.
We elected Bush to office, didn't we? How popular was he?

From the article:

"Sarkozy insisted that "everything should be done so that no one feels stigmatized," according to Chatel. Sarkozy said the veils "do not pose a problem in a religious sense, but threaten the dignity of women." '

Who the fuck is Sarko to say what threatens a woman's dignity? Fucking French fashion gendarme!!
 
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Sarko is not all that popular in France. I don't know why you would think he represents France in the minds of leftists.
He was elected to office, right? So how is he not representative of France? You also may want to insert 0bama where you read Sarkozy' the US where you see France and give it a read. Funny stuff.
We elected Bush to office, didn't we? How popular was he?

From the article:

"Sarkozy insisted that "everything should be done so that no one feels stigmatized," according to Chatel. Sarkozy said the veils "do not pose a problem in a religious sense, but threaten the dignity of women." '

Who the fuck is Sarko to say what threatens a woman's dignity? Fucking French fashion gendarme!!
Now is the time for that picture of Obama and Sarkozy checking out that woman's ass as she walks in front of them. But I don't have a copy available.
 

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Just goes to show even the French are gonna be right every now and then. Sort of the blind squirrel thing.
Denying people the free expression of religion is doing the right thing? What if this proposal were to ban all Christians from wearing a cross on their necklace. Would you still feel the same way?
 
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I think a better plan to deal with Islamic stupidity is to bring back the guillotine for "Honor Killings." Make it clear that you treat your daughters like meat, you get treated like meat.
 

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Sarkozy to submit bill banning Islamic face veils - Yahoo! News

PARIS – French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered legislation that would ban women from wearing Islamic veils that fully cover the face and body in public places, the government said Wednesday.

It is Sarkozy's first political action toward an outright ban, though he has repeatedly said such outfits oppress women and are not welcome in France, home to a firmly secular government.
Excerpted from Arguing With Idiots. below:

France- nice place to visit but unless you want to live under socialism, not a good place to live. There are few freedoms left. Massive employment, especially among the young, because of laws making you keep everyone you hire for life. If you can hire and fire "at will" you will give the young and inexperienced, a chance. Twenty three percent of young people in France are unemployed. ( Regulations ) France has now instituted a program called the "first-time contract" to give employers the ability to hire anyone under 26 years old for what is a two year contract trial period. [still....telling employers how to run their businesses] Many of the young hate this program and say in their protests, it "institutionalizes insecurity."

Most students go to schools that are virtually free and have no restrictions on entry including minimum test scores or grade point average. Teachers are government employees and education has a drop-out rate of 40 percent. France has the distinction of not even placing one school in the top 40 of the most recent worldwide rankings. France has only three schools in the top hundred. [America has managed to place 17 different schools in the top 20.]

The government takes 44 percent of GDP in taxes every year. It's not enough to cover it's expenditures. A government-commissioned report pointed out that, without drastic action, France's debt load will go from 66 percent of GDP today to 80 percent by 2010, to a castastrophic 100 percent in 2014. A recent article in the Economist article described the general attitude there: "In France there is a lingering suspicion of profit and a demonisation of business leaders, encouraged by a mainstream Left that still equates efficiency with injustice."

The best quote I've read in a while came from an Economist article about how the French seem to only embrace capitalism when it suits them:

"France has an archaic socialism that fails to understand, or at least to explain, that wealth needs to be created before it can be shared." [The Left in America cannot understand this?]

Is America moving toward that way of thinking with all it's laws and feel-good regulations, or away from it?

The above excerpted from "Arguing With Idiots" by Glenn Beck.

Before you laugh, ask yourself if this is the kind of country you want?
 
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Facists are a political party made of at least 90% white people.

Can we think of a political party in the US today that is 90% white? A party that wants the police to "stop" people of color and ask to see their state issued ID? I can.


Sun up in the east, we can be mostly sure. Death... We can't know because not everyone has died. And some folks evade taxes. But a rubber stamp non sequitor from Rdean is absolutely guaranteed.
I'm sorry. Was I wrong? How was I wrong?


Well?


Well?


Thought so.
How was this relevant to any of the points being discussed in this thread? Do you have any thoughts on economics of france? The way Muslims treat women? No, just a wet smack non sequitor out of left field with no relevance to anything anyone has said anywhere in the thread.
 

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